Author Topic: Velobuild VB-R-218  (Read 805037 times)

hazzer19

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #645 on: April 19, 2023, 04:30:02 PM »
maybe better to stick to the integrated nandle bar.
Or just go for the vbr-168 frame ..   But I am not  very keen to have a BB86 press fit,   I have the feeling that maintenance would be hard ,  for example if i want to clean the BB interior frame

Am i right or wrong on thses assumptions ?


You can buy a press fit BB that threads together internally, making it easier IMO to take apart and put back together for servicing, etc instead of having to hammer the BB out. I've been using this ZTTO one with ceramic for over a year and it's been great. Make sure to use the right tool(s) though, as you can easily chew out teeth or squash the BB since it's AL and not super strong. Other brands like Wheels Manufacturing make them as well if you want a more premium one.


https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832836732250.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.98.63f71802WAqpCm&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt&_randl_shipto=US

curvenut

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #646 on: April 19, 2023, 09:52:59 PM »

You can buy a press fit BB that threads together internally, making it easier IMO to take apart and put back together for servicing, etc instead of having to hammer the BB out. I've been using this ZTTO one with ceramic for over a year and it's been great. Make sure to use the right tool(s) though, as you can easily chew out teeth or squash the BB since it's AL and not super strong. Other brands like Wheels Manufacturing make them as well if you want a more premium one.


https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832836732250.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.98.63f71802WAqpCm&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt&_randl_shipto=US

interesting !

Sebastian

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #647 on: April 20, 2023, 12:55:36 AM »
Not sure what you mean by cleaning the interior of the BB. A press fit assembly is best left alone once it’s installed and creak free. That’s why IMO it’s best to install a BB that comes as a one piece shell or a thread together two piece shell like the ones from Wheels Mfg. Once those are in you can then just replace the bearings if necessary by knocking the old ones out and pressing a set of new bearings into the shell which remains in the frame.

At least on the PF30 frame that I had, the fitment deteriorated with each new BB that I pressed in until I had to use Loctite for a good and creak free fit. But maybe that’s not the case with every frame. I dunno.

madmax

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #648 on: April 20, 2023, 04:07:45 PM »
VBR-218 bike computer mount showed up yesterday.

Either Chris is reading these forums or saw my earlier email & mailed it out & forgot to send a reply & it showed up 1 month later

curvenut

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #649 on: April 21, 2023, 08:00:24 AM »
Not sure what you mean by cleaning the interior of the BB. A press fit assembly is best left alone once it’s installed and creak free. That’s why IMO it’s best to install a BB that comes as a one piece shell or a thread together two piece shell like the ones from Wheels Mfg. Once those are in you can then just replace the bearings if necessary by knocking the old ones out and pressing a set of new bearings into the shell which remains in the frame.

At least on the PF30 frame that I had, the fitment deteriorated with each new BB that I pressed in until I had to use Loctite for a good and creak free fit. But maybe that’s not the case with every frame. I dunno.

on my current bike,  i remove the BB annually and found dust and sans inside of the BB shell. thats what i mean cleaning

Sebastian

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #650 on: April 21, 2023, 02:06:49 PM »
There’s no need to clean the inside of the BB shell IMO. You could clean and relube your bearings. But on most bearings the seals can’t easily be popped off and reinstalled and you might do more harm than good. I usually leave it alone. At most, I take out the crank once in a while and remove debris and dirt that’s caught inbetween the crank arm and the BB. Once the bearings sound rough, I might attempt to clean and relube them. But that usually doesn’t really prolong their life significantly. Once they start sounding rough that’s usually a sign that they need replacing. With all that said, I don’t feel like my BBs wear out prematurely. But I had two PF30 frames and on those, the BB bearings did not last as long as the BB on my BSA road bikes. I bought a used Campy crank from 2009 for my steel road bike. No idea how old the bearings were. But after around 10.000k one of them needed replacing. The used record square taper BB on my commuter was more than ten years old when I bought it. I rode it for five years in all weathers including salty winter roads with absolutely no maintenance. And it still wins every spin test.

kongo

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #651 on: April 23, 2023, 07:46:34 PM »

Did you already buy the Di2 groupset or had one lying around ?

If no, then the sram eTap is the easiest way to get a groupset on that frame & handlebar

sorry, for late reply but no. what junction A box are u planing to use?

Benbenben

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #652 on: May 13, 2023, 06:24:19 AM »
 guys, update from me.

I am waiting for replacement frame. It cracked around the seat post holes. Chris handled it very well. After asking to sand to confirm the cracks, he confirmed quickly they would send a replacement.

Now it shipped and he advised it was a different UD finish. Also shipped from HK. New facility? Anyone got that finish?

For the di2 people, see what I did. The strap did not fit anyway and I think this looks pretty clean. Only other option would be the 150$ end bar junctio

Benbenben

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #653 on: May 13, 2023, 06:26:09 AM »
Also pic of the bike before the cracks :)

Queen of Skulls

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #654 on: May 14, 2023, 01:04:51 AM »
Woo got my frame!!! mint and turquoise with pearl white.  The  paint has all the issues that everyone says.  but I still like it over the black. I am going to add some stickers... woo pride... to the parts I dont like... and need to get grip paste and lube. What does everyone suggest for those??


 also to see if there is any major issues with the frame as I built it. thats the scary part... to see if the frame I just got is decent. or is there is alinemnt issues like in the BB... I still dont know why they dont use a 1 peice BB>
Off with your Head tubes...

If the girls dont find you pretty they should at least find you handy...

[color #FE0000]P[/color][color #FDA601]R[/color][color #FFFF01]I[/color][color #008000]D[/color][color #1614E4]E[/color][color #80007E]!!!![/color]

madmax

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #655 on: May 14, 2023, 11:09:58 AM »
Woo got my frame!!! mint and turquoise with pearl white.  The  paint has all the issues that everyone says.  but I still like it over the black. I am going to add some stickers... woo pride... to the parts I dont like... and need to get grip paste and lube. What does everyone suggest for those??


 also to see if there is any major issues with the frame as I built it. thats the scary part... to see if the frame I just got is decent. or is there is alinemnt issues like in the BB... I still dont know why they dont use a 1 peice BB>

Congratulations on the new frame/bike.

Print this page out for torque specs. This frame (VBR-218) is identical to the F12 Dogma
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1949164/Pinarello-Dogma-F12-Series.html?page=5

Don't worry about threadlocker (I did not use any)

DO NOT over-tighten any screws/bolts beyond the rated spec & use a good torque wrench

Enjoy the bike & post completed pix

Edit:
The frame will ship with carbon paste for the seatpost and thats the only place it should be used

For bottom bracket, fork etc, I strongly suggest picking up a tube of PPL-1000 (ParkTool Polylube), unless you happen to have specialist grease already in your workshop

Route the cables through the handlebar before your attach to fork & don't cut anything unless you are sure about your reach/height
I did mine backwards & really suffered through the install, because it was a Campagnolo rim brake/mechanical so 2 cables each side & it was very difficult to work with

If you have the flat aero handlebar on the vbr-218 then use a nice 2.5 or 3mm tape like Bontrager, because putting your hands on the tops/flat part will tire them out
Yeah, I know this sound wierd but I have more hand pain on this handlebar than on my actual Trek Madone & when I redo the tape I will use a thicker one as mentioned above.



« Last Edit: May 14, 2023, 03:40:08 PM by madmax »

Queen of Skulls

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #656 on: May 15, 2023, 01:56:05 AM »
Congratulations on the new frame/bike.

Print this page out for torque specs. This frame (VBR-218) is identical to the F12 Dogma
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1949164/Pinarello-Dogma-F12-Series.html?page=5

Don't worry about threadlocker (I did not use any)

DO NOT over-tighten any screws/bolts beyond the rated spec & use a good torque wrench

Enjoy the bike & post completed pix


Of course I got to post a pic. And I have a number of torque wrenches. I tighten things to spec...  And I dont plan to cut the tube Til I get a feel. however the seat post might get shorter.  and I got an extra set of head tube spacers So I can  go as high as I need. I am all torso short legs. I am  6ft tall and  sit taller then almost everyone. ANd I got big hands too. So I wonder about the bars.  I am tall lady.
Edit:
The frame will ship with carbon paste for the seatpost and thats the only place it should be used

For bottom bracket, fork etc, I strongly suggest picking up a tube of PPL-1000 (ParkTool Polylube), unless you happen to have specialist grease already in your workshop

Route the cables through the handlebar before your attach to fork & don't cut anything unless you are sure about your reach/height
I did mine backwards & really suffered through the install, because it was a Campagnolo rim brake/mechanical so 2 cables each side & it was very difficult to work with

If you have the flat aero handlebar on the vbr-218 then use a nice 2.5 or 3mm tape like Bontrager, because putting your hands on the tops/flat part will tire them out
Yeah, I know this sound wierd but I have more hand pain on this handlebar than on my actual Trek Madone & when I redo the tape I will use a thicker one as mentioned above.

of course a pic... And I got big hands. So I think the bars should be fine. I was going to get some finish line grip paste. I have the juintech gts. I got the jagwire cables.  I need to order the saddle... I totally forgot about it. Also I am all torso and small legs. So I  bought another set of top tube spacers and I mght cut the seat post if I can drop it more.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2023, 11:18:51 AM by Queen of Skulls »
Off with your Head tubes...

If the girls dont find you pretty they should at least find you handy...

[color #FE0000]P[/color][color #FDA601]R[/color][color #FFFF01]I[/color][color #008000]D[/color][color #1614E4]E[/color][color #80007E]!!!![/color]

madmax

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #657 on: May 15, 2023, 07:18:46 PM »
of course a pic... And I got big hands. So I think the bars should be fine. I was going to get some finish line grip paste. I have the juintech gts. I got the jagwire cables.  I need to order the saddle... I totally forgot about it. Also I am all torso and small legs. So I  bought another set of top tube spacers and I mght cut the seat post if I can drop it more.

Please use Jagwire foam over the cables...I cannot stress this enough.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C32KBG9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Both Sebastian & I have the same frame & there is a rattle in the front on mine & it can get really annoying, so be liberal with the foam & you can always trim it later

I would be hesitant to cut the seatpost, if you get away with dropping it lower. Someone else can chime in & help you here since a few people have had seat post issues

Also the seatpost bolts have a habit of falling & vanishing & you will need 1x M5x30mm & 1 x M5x35mm if that ever happens, so get saddle angle correct & use a tiny bit of threadlocker
I'm adding the parts below for your reference, but you can find them much cheaper at a hardware store

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NNR2H4Q/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1&psc=1


If you are using a varia radar then this aluminum mount will work very well with your seat
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NTZ6HWK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

I'm using the Bontrager Aero Comp saddle, which is usually $129 but goes on sale at summit bicycles for $79 & they have other saddles
(Bontrager because the saddle has an integrated mount for Ion Flare lights)



Sebastian

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #658 on: May 16, 2023, 01:35:55 AM »
Quick update on my end:
I noticed in the long run, that I routed my rear brake housing a bit too short, causing a kink in the housing at the headset and bad rear brake action.
So I needed to put in new housing and therefore take apart the whole bike basically.
So I decided to finally build up the replacement frame instead just for the sake of trying it. Also, I switched the groupset from Campy 11sp Centaur to 12sp Record - sourced the parts slightly used for cheap. Mechanical rim brake stuff isn't really worth much any more in this day and age.

The build turned out very nice. The seatpost clamping area holds up. The BB did not cause me any trouble. The cups screwed right in, the cranks spin smoothly.
Headtube bearing seats were slightly less tight on this frame, but the surface was a lot nicer finished. On my first frame it looked kinda rough. On this, it seems it was finished with some kind of lacquer coating. Again, I needed to drill the rear brake cable exit hole at the top tube. I explicitly told Chris at VB to make sure it's properly sized and he promised to take care of it. But alas, I guess stuff like this is just something you need to be prepared to do with Chiner frames.

I got another one of the superlight SROAD cassettes. A 12sp 11-32 cassette made from one block of steel, weighing about 215g. They only had it in stock in rainbow colors. Wouldn't have been my favorite choice but now that it's on the bike, I quite like it. I found these one piece cassettes to transfer more noise, especially in combination with deep wheels. So if you like your drivetrain to be dead silent, they might not be the best choice.

The build turned out very nice. I really like the bike. I dropped some weight in the process. This build as pictured, including all accessories (without Wahoo, bottles and saddle bag of course) does now weigh 7.6kg for the biggest available frame size (XXL/54).

Thanks also to madmax for giving me setup tips with Record 12sp.

madmax

Re: Velobuild VB-R-218
« Reply #659 on: May 16, 2023, 07:34:59 PM »
Awesome build Sebastian

"The build turned out very nice. I really like the bike. I dropped some weight in the process."

Yes, routing 3 cables through that handlebar and frame can result in a minor weight loss after struggling for a few hours and greatly improved muscle tone

 ;D