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jannmayer

How I painted my frame
« on: June 04, 2022, 12:47:29 PM »
I decided to paint my Carbonda CFR707 frame myself. This was my first bike painting project, and I learned quite a bit during the process. I thought I’d document my experiences for anyone else contemplating a similar project. I made plenty of mistakes along the way so hopefully this will save someone some trouble!


I used SprayMax 2K primer and clear coat, and Montana Cans Gold paint. I also painted the bottle cages using the same procedure. I left the insides carbon since they would quickly get scuffed by the bottles.


A few general tips:
  • Always wear PPE when working with aerosols, especially the 2K stuff! I wore a respirator, gloves, and safety glasses when doing any kind of spraying. (All of my sanding was wet sanding, so there was no concern with dust.)
  • I used a scrap of PVC pipe to practice and test techniques on. This gave me a good idea of how well the paint sanded and polished, and I was also able to practice doing fades.
  • Bikes are very weird shapes, so it helps to have a large work surface and a rack to hang the frame during painting.
  • Change sandpaper frequently, as the finer grits clog very easily.
  • Always inspect your work in good lighting, such as direct sunlight. Some issues will not show up well otherwise.
  • The online color guide for Montana Cans wasn’t a great match. The frame ended up significantly more purple than intended. The paint did match the color samples on the cans though.
  • I had a few issues with my finger overhanging the spray nozzle and causing drips. It pays to check your finger position frequently.





jannmayer

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2022, 12:48:25 PM »

Initial Preparation


The first step was to fully disassemble the frame. I removed all of the screws, grommets, and fittings. The cable access hatch under the bottom bracket was also removed so that I could paint it separately. I did leave the cable guides in, however.


I then masked the frame to minimize the amount of water that could get in while wet sanding it. I mostly used cheap painter’s masking tape (the blue stuff) to cover the bottom bracket, seat tube, and head tube holes. There’s no need to be really neat about this as long as the holes are plugged. I also masked the serial number to protect it from sanding. To keep the sludge out of the bosses, I put old bolts into all of the screw holes. I left the heads sticking up a bit so that I could sand all the way up to the hole.


Sanding was the next step. Using 500 grit wet-or-dry sandpaper, I sanded the entire frame. I frequently wet the sandpaper in a bucket of water to keep it from clogging with dust. It also helps to change the sandpaper frequently. I then followed up with 1000 grit sandpaper to ensure a smooth surface.


I did not go all the way down to the bare carbon, although it was exposed in some places. The UD coating is fairly durable and seals the carbon, so I don’t think it’s essential to remove all of it.


I finished up by removing the masking tape and cleaning the frame with a wet rag to remove all of the sanding dust.


jannmayer

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2022, 12:49:21 PM »

Preparation for Priming


Prior to priming, I remasked the frame. This making will remain on for the remainder of the painting process. In addition, the edges should be sharp as some of the edges will be visible. This will also save having to clean overspray off the headset cups or other unpainted areas.


My go-to masking tape for anything requiring precision is made by Tamiya. It’s intended for plastic models, but it works very well for larger applications. It conforms well to odd surfaces, sticks very well, doesn’t bleed under, yet can be easily removed without residue even after long periods. It comes in a bunch of widths, but I usually just get the 18mm stuff and cut it narrower when needed. I used this for all of the edges and filled in the larger areas with the blue painter’s tape.


I masked the inside of the headset cups, bottom bracket, seat tube, and dropouts with the Tamiya tape. For the bottom bracket, I also covered the outside with tape and then carefully cut around the edge of the aluminum insert. This will preserve a bare metal face for the bottom bracket to screw up against. I opened up the hole and masked the inside so that I could hang the frame by the bottom bracket for painting. Likewise, I ensured that I could stick a rod through the down tube to hang the frame that way if needed.


For most of the bolt holes, I inserted cut-off cotton swab tips that were wrapped in tape. These plug the holes without overlapping the top. I masked over the brake mounts to preserve the bare metal surfaces.


Finally, I wiped down the frame with a clean rag and some isopropyl alcohol. When this dried, I dusted it with a clean brush to ensure there was no lint from the rag.


I made a makeshift painting stand by clamping a piece of PVC pipe to a ladder. I then hung the frame from this by the bottom bracket. This allowed me to easily rotate the frame to different orientations so that I could paint the entire frame in one go. I put a clamp on the end of the pipe to prevent the frame from sliding off. For the fork, I clamped a larger piece of pipe to the ladder and stuck the steerer into it. I also put a clamp on the end of the steerer (lightly!) to ensure that the fork wouldn’t slide off. I secured the cable access cover to a piece of scrap wood with a loop of tape on the back.


I painted it outside on my driveway and then moved the ladder inside the garage to finish drying after a few minutes.


jannmayer

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2022, 12:50:01 PM »

Priming


I used one full can of primer (SprayMax 2K Epoxy Primer Filler Grey 680033). This was just enough to give one coat to the frame, fork, and bottle cages, although it was light in a couple of areas.


This paint is nasty stuff. I used gloves, safety glasses, and a respirator while working with it. I also painted outside to ensure adequate fresh air.


Priming can be done using numerous light coats. This helps avoid getting the paint too thick and causing drips. I held the can about 30 cm away and moved fairly quickly. Even so, I did end up with a few drips that had to be sanded later.


When the primer was thoroughly dry (it should have a very little smell), I sanded it. There were a few drips that I carefully smoothed with wet 500 grit sandpaper. I practiced on my piece of PVC pipe first so that I had a good feel for how much I could sand without exposing the carbon below. It is very easy to go too far, so use light pressure and be careful to only sand the raised area. I then smoothed those areas out with 1000 grit paper. I didn’t get them entirely flat, but they feel smooth and should not be very visible when done.


I then wet sanded the entire frame lightly with 1500 and 2000 grit sandpaper. (I used 1500 and 2000 grit interchangeably because I had a little of each.) The 2000 grit sandpaper can still take off a surprising amount of paint. Even though I was careful to use a light pressure, it went through the primer on a few of the sharp edges.


It was difficult to tell exactly how smooth the surface was when wet, so I sanded a small area at a time and then cleaned and dried it. The surface should feel perfectly smooth, and it should have a somewhat satin or semi-gloss finish. It helps to have good lighting for this step. Finally, I cleaned and dried the frame again.


If I were to do it again, I would likely do a second coat. This would give a thicker covering and make it less likely to sand through to carbon. That won’t matter so much for a dark finish, but a lighter color might show some color variation there. Applying a second coat would require a second can because the pot life when mixed is not long enough to allow it to dry and then prep if for the second coat.


jannmayer

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2022, 12:51:44 PM »

Painting Technique


I used Montana Cans Gold paint in a total of six colors. I’ve generally heard good feedback on them, and I did find them easy to work with. It was easy to get an even finish. I don’t know how well they will hold up long term though.


Since my paint scheme was fairly elaborate, I spent some time figuring out what sequence to paint in. It’s generally best to start with the light colors because the darker colors tend to cover better. To ensure an even color when overcoating with a second color, I extended the base coat across the whole area.


Before painting over the primer, I wiped it with isopropyl alcohol to remove any fingerprints or dirt. This did not seem to attack the primer, but I was still careful with it. I did not use alcohol on the Montana colors because they tended to soften from the alcohol.


In most cases, I used two coats of paint, with a light sanding (1500 or 2000 grit, wet) after the first. The first coat was fairly light, but I went heavier with the second coat so that it dried to a smooth finish.


When I painted a region, I masked off most of the rest of the frame to avoid overspray. I used a couple of different kinds of tape. When masking over areas I had already sprayed with Montana Cans, I used Frog Tape Delicate Surfaces because I’ve had good experiences with it removing cleanly. I used the cheap blue painter’s tape over the primer because I wasn’t worried about it lifting. However, some of this stuff left a sticky residue that was a pain to remove. I’d use the Frog Tape everywhere if I was doing it again even though it’s not cheap.


For masking the sharp lines between colors, I used Tamiya tape. When cut into 2 to 3 mm wide strips, it can be bent around curves. This allowed me to mask inside the fork, seatstays, and chainstays. Cut the tape with a straightedge and use this edge for the sharpest lines. For some of the unusual edges, such as by the brake mounts, I put a wider strip of tape overhanging the edge and carefully cut around the contour. I then filled in the inside with Frog Tape.


When I sprayed the first colors, I wanted to create a soft transition just past the edges of those regions so that it would not show up underneath the second color. To do this, I rolled strips of wide blue painter’s tape into tubes about 1 cm in diameter, sticky side out. I lined the area with these strips and used more tape to fill in the gaps. This generally creates a fuzzier edge than just sticking the tape on the frame. After the paint was dry, I sanded the transitions so that they were smooth to the touch.


Montana Cans spray fairly well and it was fairly easy to get a good even coat. The paint comes out much more slowly than the primer did, so I held the can about 15 to 25 cm from the frame. I still moved fairly quickly and added layers until I got a fairly smooth, wet look. I did end up with a couple drips, so work carefully.


I used the standard caps that came with the cans (gold, I believe). These give a good spray pattern for the frame. However, a wider spray likely would have given softer fades.


The fades were a bit more challenging. I tested a few times on my test pipe and strongly recommend doing this. I found it best to make quick passes perpendicular to the tube and build up layers for the solid region. The inside of the seat stays was the most challenging because it was hard to get the can at a good angle, and the two needed to be symmetric.


It is easy to go too far, although it is possible to fix some mistakes by lightly spraying the original color. It took several iterations before I was happy with the fades. I found that some cans sprayed better than others, so I used these for most of the final fade work. (Light colors seemed to be less likely to sputter, but that may just have been a coincidence.) A light sanding will remove some of the distant specks and make the transition a bit cleaner. Be careful with this - it is hard to make sure it is even, especially on small diameter tubes like the seat stays.


After all the painting was done, I gave it a light sanding with 2000 grit sandpaper. The goal is a smooth, even, semi-glossy finish. However, I was very careful with the fades because it is easy to remove the fine spray and change the appearance. I left those areas slightly rough. I also smoothed the masked lines slightly with 1000 and 2000 grit. This reduced the raised edge where the colors meet although I did not eliminate it completely.


There were a few areas that required touching up. In a couple of places, spray got through gaps in the masking tape. I was able to fix these with a light sanding with 2000 grit paper, as it was only a light overspray. There were also a few places where I sanded too far and exposed the base color. For these, I masked around the affected areas using rolled up tape for soft edges and resprayed. I sprayed as small of an area as possible and blended the new paint with the old using 2000 grit sandpaper.


jannmayer

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2022, 12:52:29 PM »

Painting Sequence


The overall sequence I followed was:
  • Mask everything except the orange fade on the inside of the fork and rear triangle. Use rolled tape for soft edges.
  • Paint the entire area with two coats of Orangina.
  • Paint the Blood Orange fade.
  • Remove masking and clean up the edges.
  • Mask everything except the purple fade on the down tube and seat tube. Use rolled tape for soft edges.
  • Paint the entire area with two coats of Sweet Dream (lightest color).
  • Paint the middle sections with a Lavender fade.
  • Paint the top sections with a Blue Velvet fade.
  • Repeat the previous steps until happy with the fade.
  • Remove masking and clean up the edges.
  • Mask the orange and purple fades. These need to be sharp edges, with the exception of the sides of the Blue Velvet areas. These should be soft edges because they will be surrounded by more Blue Velvet.
  • Paint the entire area with Blue Velvet. (coats?)
  • Paint the lower half with the Welsh Fade.
  • Remove the masking on the orange and purple fades.
  • Touchups.
  • Apply head badge decal.
  • Clearcoat the entire frame (two coats).
  • Polish.
  • Wax.


jannmayer

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2022, 12:53:01 PM »

Headbadge Decal


I wanted to add a custom decal on the head tube. I found a joshua tree graphic and added the mountain line in the background. After a test print, I printed it on clear water-slide decal film paper with a laser printer. (Microscale  and others make this for scale model use. I do not recall which brand I used.)


My laser printer doesn’t do great with large solid areas, so I ended up touching up the center with black paint. I should have used darker paint since is appears a bit lighter in direct sunlight. I then brushed three coats of an acrylic clear gloss over it to protect it.


Since home-printed decals tend to be a bit delicate, I applied it over the paint prior to clear coating the frame. I made a stencil from masking tape to help me center it on the head tube. This stencil consisted of a rectangle just larger than the decal, and I marked the tube centerline on the tape. I also marked where several points on the decal were. I then used the centerline to apply the stencil on the frame, and applied the decal so that it was lined up with the marks. I used decal setting solution to ensure it settled down over the frame, and I carefully sliced the air bubbles and applied more solution.


jannmayer

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2022, 12:53:52 PM »

Clearcoat and Finishing


Before applying the clearcoat, I cleaned the frame thoroughly. I also unmasked the serial number so that it could be protected with the clear coat. Since there were quite a few layers of paint covering the masking tape, I carefully sliced around the edge of the masking tape with a very sharp knife.


I used two coats of a two part clear coat (SprayMax 2K Clear Coat Gloss 680061). It is more critical to get a good, even coat with the clear coat than with the paint. The goal is a wet, uniform coat. However, I found that this clear coat was harder to spray than the paint as it sprays faster. This makes it more prone to drips and runs. (Some of the runs had a foamy consistency and were very visible when dry, so it’s definitely best to avoid these.)


I left the frame to dry for at least a week after each coat before doing anything else to it. Since I ended up with a few runs, I sanded these down carefully with 500 grit sandpaper and followed up with 1000 and 1500 to smooth it. I then sanded the full frame with 2000 grit to give a nice even coat. I was careful at the ridges at the color boundaries so that I did not remove too much of the clear coat.


The second coat also had a few runs, so I again sanded these down. I again sanded the full frame with 2000 grit sandpaper to get a smooth, even finish. Then I sanded again with 4000, 8000, and 12000 grit sanding cloths. After each, I checked the frame to make sure it had an even finish.


The head tube decal was raised slightly, so I was careful not to remove too much of the clear coat when sanding it. After two coats, the edges were much smoother than before, although it would probably take a couple more coats to get it completely smooth.


After sanding was complete, I polished the frame with a polishing compound meant for cars (Meguiars Ultimate Compound). Since the frame was already somewhat glossy from the 12000 sandpaper, it did not take much polishing to get a good finish.


Before removing the masking tape, I carefully cut around the edges with a sharp blade. There was a very thick layer of paint over the tape by now, and cutting prevented it from peeling or chipping around the edges.


I added some clear protective film (VViViD 3M Clear Paint Protection Vinyl Film) on the downtube and chainstays. I also made a chainstay protector out of a piece of a beer can (Alesmith Speedway Stout!) and epoxied it to the chainstay near the edge of the small chainring.


The final step was two coats of wax. This should give a little bit more protection and will make it easier to clean.


jannmayer

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2022, 12:58:57 PM »

Weights


I weighed my frame and fork at various points in the process. The table below is the change in weight (in grams) for each phase. The frame is a size XL.


Sanding-11 g
Primer37 g
Paint39 g
Clear Coat37 g
Protection5 g
Wax3 g
Total110 g


cramy

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2022, 01:51:14 AM »
amazing work, it will help a lot of people, as well as me.

When I check the product you used they look like the one recommended by Etoe on Youtube, maybe you watched his videos.

Sitar_Ned

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2022, 08:48:48 AM »
Wow, this was great, thanks for sharing. My good friend is about to attempt painting his son's frame, I'll link him to this thread.

jannmayer

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2022, 07:13:22 PM »
Thanks, I hope it's useful for someone!


I did watch one of Etoe's videos and used the primer, paint, and clearcoat he used. I did look at alternatives, but they seemed to get good reviews and were available.

planet_sammy

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2022, 12:22:57 AM »
For your project you used a new black matt lacquered frame, maybe there is no possibility to order an unlacquered frame (for less sanding work)?

I also watch "ETOE" but haven't been able to find a video on his channel about this option yet, or do the companies not send out unpainted frames?

jannmayer

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2022, 11:50:41 PM »
A raw carbon frame would save some work,  and I probably should have tried harder to get one. I'm not sure which vendors can accommodate that.

 However, you may be able to skip the priming step when using a laquered frame if you are painting it a dark color.

planet_sammy

Re: How I painted my frame
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2022, 01:10:02 AM »
A raw carbon frame would save some work,  and I probably should have tried harder to get one. I'm not sure which vendors can accommodate that.

 However, you may be able to skip the priming step when using a laquered frame if you are painting it a dark color.

I'm also not very familiar with this topic and I asked "ETEO" the question on Youtube, maybe he'll give me an answer.

Whereby a raw frame certainly still requires a lot of work?