Standert Bicycles (Berlin Brand) - Who Makes Them? Any Alternatives?

[patliean1]

https://www.instagram.com/standertbicycles/

https://standert.de/collections/triebwerk-disc

I'm told their frames are made in Taiwan. Really liking their Triebwerk steel frames with classic geometry, but the frameset prices are STEEP. Wondering if any Far East factories offer a similar frame, or other brands in general for a steel classic disc frame. Thanks!

[JohnnyRabbit]

I know Seaboard on AliExpress makes steel frames. One of my friend rides with the CR03 and they look really neat.

[jonathanf2]

https://tsunamibicycle.com/product/cr05-road-frameset-700c-disc-brake-thru-axle-ti-polish/

Looks really similar to a Tsunami Seaboard steel TA road frameset.

[patliean1]

I immediately started searching the interwebs after my post, and stumbled on Tsunami Bikes as well.

Forgot to mention a steel frameset with a more aggressive-ish geometry rather than endurance. I probably should not expect to find a frame that's steel, racier geo, AND be value-conscience 

[jonathanf2]

https://hongkaibikestore.aliexpress.us/store/group/Road-Bike-Frame/1101610081_10000002278082.html

Advanced Mountain and Dark Rock branded bikes all appear to be rebranded Seaboard steel gravel frames at slightly lower prices. Though there doesn't seem to be many options for road oriented steel disc frames. I think at this point most gravitate more towards titanium, while steel has remained popular with the gravel and touring bike scene.

[s3si1u]

FWIW I recently ordered a Seaboard steel gravel frame and I was super excited to build it up, but was eventually told they were not in stock in my size and wouldn't be for some time from any seller. After pestering the seller for a quick refund, I ordered a carbon gravel frame, but I still have the steel bug and hope to build one up...maybe a road/all-road/whatever 35mm clearance type of thing. I think I'll go the custom route at this point, likely from Marino Bike as their prices are very, very good when compared to just about any other steel framebuilder I've researched. They're based in Peru: https://www.marinobike.com/ https://www.instagram.com/marinobike/
I'm in no rush and probably won't be ordering a frame from them for some time, but I'm eternally playing with Bike Cad trying to get all the dimensions and specs juuust right for when the time comes 

[Yunglord]

Hey Pat,

The frames are made out of these tubes - http://www.dedacciai.com/ and as far as I know most of them are built in Italy.

So you could maybe reverse search from that but to get a value offer on something like that will be much harder than plastic (carbon).

[00Garza]

Yeah, steel seems to be relegated to touring or all-road bikes from boutique shops with boutique prices!

[00Garza]

That said, the Stael from fairlight cycles is nice.

https://fairlightcycles.com/product/strael3-deposit/

[jonathanf2]

I'm a big fan of the Surly Midnight Special. Though $799 USD for the frameset only is in the realm of very good Chinese carbon and even titanium.

https://surlybikes.com/bikes/midnight_special

[jonathanf2]

That said, the Stael from fairlight cycles is nice.

https://fairlightcycles.com/product/strael3-deposit/

My buddy has a Fairlight, it's a very nice bike.

[patliean1]

This forum is the BEST. Thanks everyone!

[Yunglord]

Surly's are nice bike's but there's zero chance I'd use one has a race bike they are built like tanks.

[Sebastian]

I was contemplating the idea of getting a Standert when I was looking for a multi purpose gravel frame made of steel. But honestly, when you're looking for steel, the price gap between a (nicely made high quality) steel frame off the shelf and a custom made frame is not that big. As long as you're not buying from one of the uber-expensive boutique builders.

I went down the custom route. Got a nice fillet brazed frame and paired it with a Carbonda-fork. This is the result.
Wheels are custom built. Groupset is Ekar except for the Magura calipers and the Sram Red cranks. I'm using a 13sp chainring by Ratio components. Lovely ride.

[bichler.bua]

I was contemplating the idea of getting a Standert when I was looking for a multi purpose gravel frame made of steel. But honestly, when you're looking for steel, the price gap between a (nicely made high quality) steel frame off the shelf and a custom made frame is not that big. As long as you're not buying from one of the uber-expensive boutique builders.

I went down the custom route. Got a nice fillet brazed frame and paired it with a Carbonda-fork. This is the result.
Wheels are custom built. Groupset is Ekar except for the Magura calipers and the Sram Red cranks. I'm using a 13sp chainring by Ratio components. Lovely ride.

Agree, in addition to the mentioned companies you will find regional builders such as Tannenwald, Big Forest Frameworks or Rennstahl here in Germany.
And if you are talking about steel, in Europe, you certainly must consider Italy. Cicli Barco or Legend by Bertoletti are just two I know and I am sure there are plenty more.
I am a fan and supporter of this forum, but classic steel imo is a different approach that makes me consider regional builders and custom options.