Author Topic: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets  (Read 1451420 times)

amacal1

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1125 on: October 21, 2024, 09:38:23 AM »
So what is the consensus on the ER9/ERX? I'm looking into buying it (ER9) since it is a great price at the moment. Seems like it works well when it works but has some downfalls. I don't mind tinkering with it to some extent and don't really want to mess with full internal routing with a mechanical group.

  • Waterproofing issues- Grease the plugs seems to be a consistent solution
  • need to buy decent batteries- What are the current demands on this to justify a specific battery over another

if you do these things it seems like it is a reliable group. Especially if you get it from a reliable seller like the 80 designer store and can actually get warranty support.
I can't justify spending almost 120% on the wheeltop eds group so this would be the limit in my budget, the next choice would be mechanical 11/12speed from ltwoo... What would be your guy's opinion?

This thread is now 78 pages long, so I don't blame you for not being able or willing to scour it. Having followed along for most of it, I'll do my best to summarize. I'll also state that I don't actually own an eR9/eRX, but I do own the 1x gravel version the eGR (different thread running in the cross forum).

It seems like, on the whole, most people are happy with it. As long as it works, it seems like a capable unit with good performance. A few people have had issues and are peeved, a few have had lots of issues - or, more accurately - or multiple units with the same issues and are much more put off and vocal about their displeasure. I don't dare call them outliers, but their vocal displeasure is not without some grain of truth.

The biggest issues is that you can't expect Ltwoo to directly step up and back their product. They put the work of supporting the product on the retailer. They must have some level of backing for their product, as some stores seem quite capable of issuing replacement parts and replacing troublesome units entirely. 80s Designer Store has been the store most talked about for stepping up and supporting users after sales. Other stores have been more spotty. I'll add my own experience that I thought I damaged a part in a crash and reached out to Ltwoo to buy a replacement. They weren't able to help me because they said they don't sell directly to consumers, at least I think they tried to say that but ultimately just kept putting me off. 80s Designer Store ultimately stepped up and offered to sell me the part. Kudos to them.

My own experience is with the eGR and I'm quite happy with it. I'm coming up on 800mi on mine over the last 6 months or so. Still works great, even after a crash that took out my derailleur hanger. Well, mostly. I think the bearings on the rollers were not adequate for a gravel groupset that might see dirt and water regularly, but that's a minor issue since those are easily replaceable. I paid mechanical groupset money for an electronic groupset that shifts as good as 800 mi as it did at 8 mi. What's not to like? I'm going to ride a mess load of gravel this winter and spring, I hope, so I'll have a more seasoned take on it in 6 more months.  Honestly, it works great, so the only thing I can really report on is whether or not it still works in 6 more months.

Buy good batteries. They're not even expensive. Just find a reputable retailer. I bought from a US based retailer that sells for the flashlight and vape markets.  Those markets have been around a while so lots of "reputable" brands with lots of history and reviews. Dont spend $XXX on a groupset and try to save $5 on the batteries. Even 'expensive' cells are CHEAP as dirt compared to the branded packs that SRAM and Shimano sell.

At the end of the day, you have to be aware that you're taking some amount of risk. You can't walk into a bike shop and get a replacement charging cable, or wire harness, or new derailleur next week. In the worst case, you might get shafted with a failed unit that won't be replaced for free. In even the best case, you might have a crash and be down for weeks while you wait for a replacement part, because it all comes from China and none of it is stateside. If you're willing to deal with that, then you can likely reap significant cost savings for, hopefully, just a little risk of inconvenience. If the potential for missing a race or event depends on whether or not you pinch your charging cable, then maybe stick to more mainstream brands.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2024, 09:50:28 AM by amacal1 »

klindsey00

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1126 on: October 21, 2024, 12:02:28 PM »
Buy from 80 Design Store, protect your plugs and spend extra $ on quality batteries. That sounds about right. Also once you get your fine tune adjustments done, I think it's a good idea to write them down somewhere just in case you need to reset the groupset.

I probably would have stayed mechanical if it wasn't for the LTwoo price point. It does work well when working and just be ready to figure stuff out on your own. Now that the 80 Design store has stepped up on warranty service, it's definitely helped and replacement parts are also available for purchase.

Thats where I'm at, LTwoo Rx/R9 mechanical are really good value and don't seem to have many major flaws. I could spend a bit more to maybe piece together a used 105/ultegra mechanical disc group, or I could spend a similar amount and get the ERx/ER9 and get electronic goodies.

This thread is now 78 pages long, so I don't blame you for not being able or willing to scour it. Having followed along for most of it, I'll do my best to summarize. I'll also state that I don't actually own an eR9/eRX, but I do own the 1x gravel version the eGR (different thread running in the cross forum).

I've read through a good portion of it over the last week trying to come to a decision. There are large sections where the topic changes a bunch so it is hard to find the real meat and potatoes of what is good/bad. Thanks for your help.

At the end of the day, you have to be aware that you're taking some amount of risk. You can't walk into a bike shop and get a replacement charging cable, or wire harness, or new derailleur next week. In the worst case, you might get shafted with a failed unit that won't be replaced for free. In even the best case, you might have a crash and be down for weeks while you wait for a replacement part, because it all comes from China and none of it is stateside. If you're willing to deal with that, then you can likely reap significant cost savings for, hopefully, just a little risk of inconvenience. If the potential for missing a race or event depends on whether or not you pinch your charging cable, then maybe stick to more mainstream brands.


I'm willing to risk it some... At the minimum having the ability to get replacements is a must, but having a good seller to give warranty if something fails in a way that is not my fault is what I think is a decent position to be in. I have a ECE degree so I'd honestly love to mess with internals and I'd replace electrical components if I had to. Biggest things are not wanting to be stranded over something stupid if i can help it, and not throwing money down the drain on this build.

Sebastian

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1127 on: October 22, 2024, 12:28:55 AM »
So, I replaced my batteries. I ran about three charging cycles. I made sure that the batteries are at 100%. (But then again, if the groupset doesn't charge properly it's just as bad as when it drains the battery. I'm surely not going to pull the seatpost and get the batteries out every time I need to  charge them). Every time, the battery level is down to less than 20% after roughly 48 hours. In that time, I did not touch the bike except checking for the battery level. And this is despite putting in new batteries with considerably more capacity and capable of much higher discharge currents.

I contacted 80 Designer Store to see what they say.

Edit: I disconnected the RD for several hours. It stopped the draining issues. The battery level remained stable. So I reckon the problem lies within the RD.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2024, 05:45:20 AM by Sebastian »

rockerplates.de

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1128 on: October 22, 2024, 01:28:02 AM »
if you have several bikes to jump back to, go for the er9, or if you use it on your indoor trainer bike...otherwise, it is not reliable. you may end up in the middle of nowwhere. the only place you can buy is aliexpress, therefore you need to buy 2 groupsets or wait for the parts to be returned by the seller. If ltwoo treats the aliexpress seller the same way like us, they compensate the defectives on their site, (Ltwoo did not change any of the broken er9 products we have had (rds, burned battery trayS) even sending them videos, pictures etc..they would cover them, but we would need to order again, without a follow up order, they are not willing to compensate) this may end pretty fast, if margins drop, defective rates go down, of if the seller just does not want to sponsor the sales on his own...
I think, they also have issue with the battery holder draining voltage in some cases, otherwise the burned one which fired up the seatpost of our client is not explanable.
Long things short: shimano for the win, if oyu only have one bike, it is not worth the hassle.....

klindsey00

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1129 on: October 22, 2024, 08:36:41 AM »
I think as this will be my only bike I should get something more reliable. Thanks for all the input guys.

I'll still be eyeballing this and the wheeltop group, If the price was more competitive from wheeltop I'd go for it the thing that scares me with that one is the battery. Having the ability to fine tune each gear sounds like it would help keep the chain/cassette noise down and probably wear out parts slower. My claris group sucked and would be loud no matter how much I adjusted it.

Has there been any announcements of the next gen for eRX? I know the blue version kind of got scrapped but they had a TT group and some stuff at one of the bike shows.

jonathanf2

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1130 on: October 22, 2024, 09:47:05 AM »
I think as this will be my only bike I should get something more reliable. Thanks for all the input guys.

I'll still be eyeballing this and the wheeltop group, If the price was more competitive from wheeltop I'd go for it the thing that scares me with that one is the battery. Having the ability to fine tune each gear sounds like it would help keep the chain/cassette noise down and probably wear out parts slower. My claris group sucked and would be loud no matter how much I adjusted it.

Has there been any announcements of the next gen for eRX? I know the blue version kind of got scrapped but they had a TT group and some stuff at one of the bike shows.

ER9 is great if you have a backup bike and a few spare replacement parts. At this point it's more for the DIY crowd. When it works it's awesome. One of my ER9 RDs was totally dead and I had to hard reset it like 30 times until it woke up. Though the EGR sounds like it's been quite solid with less problems.

I think many of us are sadists for using sketchy bike components!  ;D

rockerplates.de

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1131 on: October 22, 2024, 10:59:48 AM »
ER9 is great if you have a backup bike and a few spare replacement parts. At this point it's more for the DIY crowd. When it works it's awesome. One of my ER9 RDs was totally dead and I had to hard reset it like 30 times until it woke up. Though the EGR sounds like it's been quite solid with less problems.

I think many of us are sadists for using sketchy bike components!  ;D

Well, regarding wheeltop, hambini is just building a bike with it :-/ we will see what finally thinks about the product and we will see if he will destroy it on youtube or like it?

We are still waiting on valid iformation regarding the battery packs they use, it needs certificates and tests if you want to import it to the eu....so far, they only provide ce certs for the charger 24 month old...and ignore my questions regarding the battery...no ul tests etc...



Sebastian

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1132 on: October 24, 2024, 01:00:31 AM »
Update on my battery drain issues: I had a bit of back and forth with 80 Designer Store. They said they were going to discuss my problem “with the engineer”. The draining issues continued regardless of new batteries. They warned me to not exceed the battery capacity of 800mAh because “the product might die” if I do. I don’t quite understand why? More capacity doesn’t mean higher voltages and/or currents, right? The battery charge will just last longer?

Anyway, I ordered yet another set of batteries exactly to their specs and a charger/testing device to make sure that all my batteries are fine. Even though I’m quite sure there was never anything wrong with my original batteries in the first place.


rockerplates.de

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1133 on: October 24, 2024, 03:56:14 AM »
Update on my battery drain issues: I had a bit of back and forth with 80 Designer Store. They said they were going to discuss my problem “with the engineer”. The draining issues continued regardless of new batteries. They warned me to not exceed the battery capacity of 800mAh because “the product might die” if I do. I don’t quite understand why? More capacity doesn’t mean higher voltages and/or currents, right? The battery charge will just last longer?

Anyway, I ordered yet another set of batteries exactly to their specs and a charger/testing device to make sure that all my batteries are fine. Even though I’m quite sure there was never anything wrong with my original batteries in the first place.
totally bs in case of a draining battery....there may be some "defectice/cold" solderspots, which have more internal resistance and keep drawing energy, there may be moisture somewhere?
the increasing capacity does have effect on hihger "amps" if the c rate is the same...800mah with a c-rate of 10 means 8 amps continues on a stable voltage, 1200 mAh with c-rate of 10 is 12 Amps with a stable voltage supplied....so if your setup ask for 12 amps, the smaller batteries will show a lower voltage....therefore, if there is something wrong with the pcb or rd or ? higher amps may destroy something. This should not happen if properly tested by the "engineers"...

and yes, the charge will take longer..



Sebastian

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1134 on: October 26, 2024, 02:39:32 AM »
I rode the bike the other day and I noticed that the battery draining apparently only happens when the groupset goes to sleep. I charged it up for roughly 2h. The battery was at 84%. I rode for 2.5h and it was at 82% after. Then I put the bike away. Next morning the battery is at 9%. I doesn’t go lower bc the new lithium cells have an internal PCB that protects them from overcharging/overdischarging. So basically the batteries are empty after one night. I cleaned all contacts again to see if there are any shorts that might have caused this. Didnt help.

No answer yet from 80 Designer Store.

mozart

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1135 on: October 26, 2024, 05:47:26 AM »
I've had it when I had bike with a cover. because it was working out of the air. try to have it on the front big disk and big rear so that the chain is tight.

Sebastian

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1136 on: October 27, 2024, 01:33:14 AM »
I've had it when I had bike with a cover. because it was working out of the air. try to have it on the front big disk and big rear so that the chain is tight.

Not entirely sure what you mean. But I store my bike indoors. The sleep mode works very reliably. So usually after just 20-30s the derailleurs will not react anymore when I push the buttons on the shifters. So I’m quite sure that when I store the bike, the groupset is definitely switched off.

jonathanf2

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1137 on: October 27, 2024, 01:55:19 PM »
I'd try resetting the RD multiple times and see if that triggers the latest firmware update. I'd also try disconnecting the battery cables overnight and then check the charge status. Either you need a new RD or a new battery holder.

Sebastian

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1138 on: October 27, 2024, 02:05:10 PM »
I'd try resetting the RD multiple times and see if that triggers the latest firmware update. I'd also try disconnecting the battery cables overnight and then check the charge status. Either you need a new RD or a new battery holder.

I've disconnected the RD cable several times already. Then the draining stops and the battery level remains constant. In fact it's how I store the bike now so the batteries keep their charge. I narrowed down so far that it only happens a) in sleep mode and b) when the RD is connected. I haven't tried resetting the groupset. I'll check that out. Can you quickly describe the procedure? Is it just a matter of keeping the RD button pressed until it's reset?
« Last Edit: October 27, 2024, 02:26:14 PM by Sebastian »

jonathanf2

Re: LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets
« Reply #1139 on: October 28, 2024, 02:09:54 PM »
I've disconnected the RD cable several times already. Then the draining stops and the battery level remains constant. In fact it's how I store the bike now so the batteries keep their charge. I narrowed down so far that it only happens a) in sleep mode and b) when the RD is connected. I haven't tried resetting the groupset. I'll check that out. Can you quickly describe the procedure? Is it just a matter of keeping the RD button pressed until it's reset?

I repeatedly pressed and held the RD button several times over and I did a factory reset (write down your fine tuning settings). The app then prompted me to updated my RD firmware to the latest version. Though this may or may not work, because my other ER9 bike groupset hasn't received the firmware update, but I have no issues with that unit.