Author Topic: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)  (Read 1119816 times)

Ar26

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #435 on: May 15, 2024, 04:05:21 AM »
While I don't really understand the squared design of the downtube, I can not imagine that an average rider would feel any difference. Especially because I guess the front wheel will make the bigger difference in that area and It should kinda shield parts of the downtube from the air flow.

I think the rider position, clothing, ... will make the biggest difference in aerodynamics.
Absolutely agree with you. I am not an engineer, nor a specialist in aerodynamics. LC should send the frame to Hambini for review (ah! ah!)

Serge_K

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #436 on: May 15, 2024, 05:05:17 AM »
While I don't really understand the squared design of the downtube, I can not imagine that an average rider would feel any difference. Especially because I guess the front wheel will make the bigger difference in that area and It should kinda shield parts of the downtube from the air flow.

I think the rider position, clothing, ... will make the biggest difference in aerodynamics.

we know for a fact that rider & clothing matter more than the bike itself, it's about 80% rider and 20% bike, afaik.
That being said, a bus shaped tube is a bus shaped tube. Even without a wind tunnel, we know that tear drop / kamm tail shaped things are more aero than round things, or boxes... And we know that buses aren't aero. You wont find an aero frame with a wide, boxy shape like that, nor will you find a frame that touts its aero prowess with a boxy shape like that - until proven otherwise, ofc. Given it's an ultra light frame, and making frames of that weight at this price point is a new phenomenon, and that LC doesn't make any aero claims, i think it's safe to assume it's not aero. Whether it matters or not is subjective. But even if it "only" costs 5W at 45kmh, i try to spend my money diligently, and given how incredibly hard it is for me to raise my ftp by 5W, if i'm going to buy a frame, and if i can, i'm going to avoid buying one that screams "i'm a bus". It's a guesstimate. It's also an aesthetics consideration, as i dont find that boxy shape appealing.

PaxiH

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #437 on: May 15, 2024, 07:37:16 AM »
we know for a fact that rider & clothing matter more than the bike itself, it's about 80% rider and 20% bike, afaik.
That being said, a bus shaped tube is a bus shaped tube. Even without a wind tunnel, we know that tear drop / kamm tail shaped things are more aero than round things, or boxes... And we know that buses aren't aero. You wont find an aero frame with a wide, boxy shape like that, nor will you find a frame that touts its aero prowess with a boxy shape like that - until proven otherwise, ofc. Given it's an ultra light frame, and making frames of that weight at this price point is a new phenomenon, and that LC doesn't make any aero claims, i think it's safe to assume it's not aero. Whether it matters or not is subjective. But even if it "only" costs 5W at 45kmh, i try to spend my money diligently, and given how incredibly hard it is for me to raise my ftp by 5W, if i'm going to buy a frame, and if i can, i'm going to avoid buying one that screams "i'm a bus". It's a guesstimate. It's also an aesthetics consideration, as i dont find that boxy shape appealing.

I agree with you with the aesthetics of the downtube. It would look better and make more sense in a different (teardrop like) shape.
In terms of stiffness it maybe makes sense. I'm also no engineer in this area, so I'm only guessing.

Other than that, I like the design and geometrie of the frame.

For me I doesn't matter if I'll loose like 5W at 45km/h. I'm far from being a professional and I do not race.

That and other reason made me order this Frameset. I'll see how happy I am with it after it gets delivered and the build is done  ;D


PaxiH

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #438 on: May 15, 2024, 08:31:45 AM »
Absolutely agree with you. I am not an engineer, nor a specialist in aerodynamics. LC should send the frame to Hambini for review (ah! ah!)

I'd love to see Hambini reaming it  ;D

Serge_K

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #439 on: May 15, 2024, 08:41:07 AM »
I agree with you with the aesthetics of the downtube. It would look better and make more sense in a different (teardrop like) shape.
In terms of stiffness it maybe makes sense. I'm also no engineer in this area, so I'm only guessing.

Other than that, I like the design and geometrie of the frame.

For me I doesn't matter if I'll loose like 5W at 45km/h. I'm far from being a professional and I do not race.

That and other reason made me order this Frameset. I'll see how happy I am with it after it gets delivered and the build is done  ;D

You do you! i considered buying one myself for many weeks, and i'm not saying it's a bad frame, in fact i think it's a great frame! i was just detailing my thought process as i figured it could be useful to some.
Enjoy your new bike and post here about your experience and impressions!

rasch

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #440 on: May 15, 2024, 08:43:14 AM »
we know for a fact that rider & clothing matter more than the bike itself, it's about 80% rider and 20% bike, afaik.
That being said, a bus shaped tube is a bus shaped tube. Even without a wind tunnel, we know that tear drop / kamm tail shaped things are more aero than round things, or boxes... And we know that buses aren't aero. You wont find an aero frame with a wide, boxy shape like that, nor will you find a frame that touts its aero prowess with a boxy shape like that - until proven otherwise, ofc. Given it's an ultra light frame, and making frames of that weight at this price point is a new phenomenon, and that LC doesn't make any aero claims, i think it's safe to assume it's not aero. Whether it matters or not is subjective. But even if it "only" costs 5W at 45kmh, i try to spend my money diligently, and given how incredibly hard it is for me to raise my ftp by 5W, if i'm going to buy a frame, and if i can, i'm going to avoid buying one that screams "i'm a bus". It's a guesstimate. It's also an aesthetics consideration, as i dont find that boxy shape appealing.

As long as we all know what we are getting/building/taking, get support and are all happy that's all it matters ;)

Opinions will always be opinions :) Being it Hambini and all other (pseudo) specialists.

People spend more time online reading all the details and micro-details than actually riding the bike and enjoying the fresh air :).

rasch

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #441 on: May 15, 2024, 08:47:22 AM »
You do you! i considered buying one myself for many weeks, and i'm not saying it's a bad frame, in fact i think it's a great frame! i was just detailing my thought process as i figured it could be useful to some.
Enjoy your new bike and post here about your experience and impressions!

For me that's actually what is more valuable in these forums. Analysing the different reasoning and mental model different people use to select frames/bikes/products. Question them and take my conclusions and decisions.
Thanks for sharing your inputs

PaxiH

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #442 on: May 16, 2024, 12:50:40 PM »
For me that's actually what is more valuable in these forums. Analysing the different reasoning and mental model different people use to select frames/bikes/products. Question them and take my conclusions and decisions.
Thanks for sharing your inputs

It's the same for me. From others experiences and opinions I can maybe learn or think from an different angle on the topic.
So I thing discussions are a good thing  :)

dsveddy

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #443 on: May 17, 2024, 10:43:13 AM »

I know
And it was never my Intention to drive it with the Cannondale decals
I originaly ordered with Lightcarbon dacals for 35$
But unfortunatly wendy and LC forgot to put the decals on my frame

Sorry

I know this is an old topic in this thread but personally I think a cool take on bike decals is to modify an existing manufacturer's decal into something funny. For example, "cannondale" can become "nondale" if you cut off the first 3 letters from the vinyl. I've taken a "mongoose" decal set and labeled my bike "goose" (complete with a goose head sticker on my headtube  ;D). I've seek "TREK" turned into "REKT". I've seen "Specialized" turned into "Special" as well as "Special ed" (a risky choice for sure). You could take "DOGMA" stickers and turn them into "DOG". The possibilities are endless, and that's just with standard factory stickers, not even getting into custom stickers.

Anyways. I think it's a fun idea, a way to put some graphic design on the bike that makes it look like a "real" bike while poking fun at the "unbranded" nature of these bikes. Just a thought for anyone here who wants some kind of decals but don't want to appear cringe.

dinorello

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #444 on: May 17, 2024, 06:58:43 PM »
I know this is an old topic in this thread but personally I think a cool take on bike decals is to modify an existing manufacturer's decal into something funny. For example, "cannondale" can become "nondale" if you cut off the first 3 letters from the vinyl. I've taken a "mongoose" decal set and labeled my bike "goose" (complete with a goose head sticker on my headtube  ;D). I've seek "TREK" turned into "REKT". I've seen "Specialized" turned into "Special" as well as "Special ed" (a risky choice for sure). You could take "DOGMA" stickers and turn them into "DOG". The possibilities are endless, and that's just with standard factory stickers, not even getting into custom stickers.

Anyways. I think it's a fun idea, a way to put some graphic design on the bike that makes it look like a "real" bike while poking fun at the "unbranded" nature of these bikes. Just a thought for anyone here who wants some kind of decals but don't want to appear cringe.

Yeah but nah...prefer a nice color and design over any brand or spoffy goof brand

Stoemper

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #445 on: May 18, 2024, 12:43:55 AM »
Yeah agree, the main reason I build up my own bike is because I get to design my own bike and not cycle around with some giant brand billboard ruining the aesthetics.

c74

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #446 on: May 19, 2024, 05:32:52 AM »
I'd love to see Hambini reaming it  ;D

Hambini did a review of a Lightcarbon gravel frame, up on YT. I'm to stupid to get a URL working in this forum, so you have to find it yourself.
Well worth a look get a feel for LightCarbons QC/QA and engineering principles.

PaxiH

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #447 on: May 19, 2024, 01:58:14 PM »
Hambini did a review of a Lightcarbon gravel frame, up on YT. I'm to stupid to get a URL working in this forum, so you have to find it yourself.
Well worth a look get a feel for LightCarbons QC/QA and engineering principles.

Yes, I've already seen it. Even before buying  :)
Maybe someone can send him the LCR017 Frame  ;D

PaxiH

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #448 on: May 20, 2024, 03:15:32 AM »
Tracking, naah, not until the last 36hrs of the delivery. Tracking page said parcel was registered but not yet recieved, then the last stages in Europe it was all good. The parcel took 20 days to get to Stockholm / me after registration with the carrier (DHL).

I know this post is a little bit older.
Can you tell me if 20 days was the complete delivery time from China or only after arriving in Europe?

Serge_K

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #449 on: May 20, 2024, 08:12:38 AM »
I know this post is a little bit older.
Can you tell me if 20 days was the complete delivery time from China or only after arriving in Europe?

typically 20 days is total transit time, once it's in europe you have it within 1 week, for experience. it is true that tracking data sometimes goes dark for no apparent reason between china and europe. presumably because of VAT shenanigans with DDP schemes. Once it resurfaces, you get it pretty fast.