The lack of stack is a bigger problem than the reach, per se, given the slack head angle. They added about another 12mm of stack to the L (previously listed as M) from the proto, but that's still by far the lowest stack gravel frame on the market. It needed to be more like 30-45mm more stack, not 12mm more. But yeah, reach to stack ratio is absolutely bananas. Shame, because I'd love something like this.