New Gravel Frame Ican Graro

[yanger316]

What are your concerns?
Chain line?
Sprocket clearances?
What brand of BB are you using?

[gofasterstripes]

Has anyone set up their Graro for cyclo-cross duties?

It was my initial plan to use mine for Gravel and cross as I did with my TCX, but looking at the seatpost design around the clamping area I'm concerned it won't be strong enough to take the impacts of repeated remounts and impacts from poor line choices when I'm tired towards the end of races.

[NJBikes]

Have been looking at the 54cm Graro frameset to replace my 58cm Felt Broam to go from a relaxed gravel bike to a race gravel bike. About to place my order, but with similar concerns to others here (sizing and the seatpost setback) figured I may as well see if someone with the bike has any input.

Sizing

The 54cm Graro is pretty similar to my 54cm Cannondale CAAD10, but with a higher stack and slightly longer. Love my CAAD10 fit but would say it's slightly too small. Looking at the BikeInsights comparison, the 54cm Graro seems to be slightly higher with a little extra length.

The 56cm Graro is pretty similar to my 58cm Felt but with less stack, and what appears to be a more pushed back seat. I'd say my Felt is too big for me. My Felt has the seat pushed forward pretty far, and seeing the 56 cm Graro has a slacker ST angle and the 15mm seatpost set back, I'm not sure this is the right size for me.

So I think the 54cm Graro is the way to go.

However, just a tad hesitant since Graro would recommend me (72" or 183cm) to go with a 58cm bike. These height charts tend to be crap, but I'm pausing because I'd be going down two sizes and not just one.

Set Up Plans

I'm buying just the frame and will test different stem lengths when I get it. Will then buy a third-party stem and handlebar to internally route the cables.

I plan to move all other parts from my current gravel bike to this one, which includes a 1x setup with a 46t chainring. I've seen people here talking about 46t being too big, wondering if anyone has had success with spacers or if they had to downsize.

I did get the 46t when I lived in Texas (very flat), but now in Arizona and there's more climbing so moving down to 42t might just be smart.


Any and all thoughts are appreciated.

[gofasterstripes]

I don't know how tall you are but I'm 179cm and set my saddle height at 75cm from the centre of the BB.

I have a 54cm and there is still plenty of seatpost left to raise the height if needed.

The tip of the stealth saddle is 5-6cm behind the BB which lets me get into a decently aggressive position, there is still a bit of room to move it forwards or backwards.

I've still to settle on my reach but currently have a 11cm stem which isn't far off

I've not had chance to ride it off-road in the couple of months I've been riding it but with road wheels and 28mm tyres it feels great . Subjectively, maybe a little less responsive than my road bike but it is definitely more compliant and it's no slower when comparing rides.

if you can it might be worth getting a bike fit on a jig and dialing in a position before committing to buying a frame as it sounds like you've been making various sized and styles of frames work.

One thing to take into consideration when measuring the stack is that you have have to add 10-20mm to take into account the headset cap for the internal routing or making space for the cables to enter the headset depending on the style you go for.

I fitted this token headset as it has seals aroung the cable entry ports,it adds 20mm or so to the stack height

https://www.orrobikes.com/product/token-cablebox-headset-semi-internal

hope that helps

[NJBikes]

I don't know how tall you are but I'm 179cm and set my saddle height at 75cm from the centre of the BB.

I have a 54cm and there is still plenty of seatpost left to raise the height if needed.

The tip of the stealth saddle is 5-6cm behind the BB which lets me get into a decently aggressive position, there is still a bit of room to move it forwards or backwards.

I've still to settle on my reach but currently have a 11cm stem which isn't far off

I've not had chance to ride it off-road in the couple of months I've been riding it but with road wheels and 28mm tyres it feels great . Subjectively, maybe a little less responsive than my road bike but it is definitely more compliant and it's no slower when comparing rides.

if you can it might be worth getting a bike fit on a jig and dialing in a position before committing to buying a frame as it sounds like you've been making various sized and styles of frames work.

One thing to take into consideration when measuring the stack is that you have have to add 10-20mm to take into account the headset cap for the internal routing or making space for the cables to enter the headset depending on the style you go for.

I fitted this token headset as it has seals aroung the cable entry ports,it adds 20mm or so to the stack height

https://www.orrobikes.com/product/token-cablebox-headset-semi-internal

hope that helps

Appreciate the insight, feeling more confident in the 54cm frame and going to place my order.

Still undecided on how I'll handle the internal routing. Currently looking at two different handlebars (one has internal routing and one does not) so that'll dictate what type of stem I get. But I'm thinking the Deda Superbox Stem might be the way to go regardless of my handlebar.

[Lotnik]

Some small Polish startup brand reached for the Graro frames on their build.

[yanger316]

Anyone know what’s the bb width and spacer will fit the frame?

[Rolle2k]

From the looks of it i would guess 86.5mm T47i, but somebody who does own the frame can probably tell what it is for shure.

[PatorMar]

Finally an update here. I've received my frame after a lot of frustrating back and forth as described earlier.

Now that I have it, I love it. The paint job is perfect, in the chameleon green. I haven't finished the build, as I'm waiting on a few tools that it turns out I needed, but I've installed Conti Terra Hardpack 50mm tires on G1800 DT Swiss wheels (24IW).
The tires measure 48.5mm, and there is 5mm clearance both front and back. The smallest clearance is actually to the bolt at the top of the fork, which I'll be replacing with something low profile anyway.

Hello... did you finished your build? Could you please share some pictures to show colour and all bike ?

[yanger316]

Hi
Here is my finished bike build.

[Asco]

Hello... did you finished your build? Could you please share some pictures to show colour and all bike ?

I did finish the build yeah! I keep putting off making a post but I'll get around to it.

[bus4@207]

Hey all,
1st post on here.
So I have joined the Ican Graro club.
1st bike that I have gotten that isnt a dedicated road bike.
I came across a problem that ended with a email conversation between myself and Perry.
I didnt want to use their integrated cockpit as I had a few stems and bars hanging around and am gonna use those and have plenty of spacers that I can use to make it work.
When the frame arrived and unpacked everything and did a dry assembly I noticed that the compression ring/washer that sits on top of the top bearing was  missing.
I emailed Perry and he told me it wont fit unless I was using their bar/stem!
I informed him  that it wasnt part of the bar/stem set up but an essential part of the headset and the frame would be unridedable without it!
He offered to send me a new headset and spacers BUT insited that Ican bore no responsiblity if I used the spacers with a non Ican cockpit.
Anyway I should have the new headset tomorrow and will do an assemlbly with my 3T  stem and bars and see how it works.

Ta

[MK]

Anyone know what’s the bb width and spacer will fit the frame?

It's a 85,5mm - like a Trek, which in some cases can neccesitate a 0,5 mm spacer on each of side the bottom bracket.

Hey all,
1st post on here.
So I have joined the Ican Graro club.
1st bike that I have gotten that isnt a dedicated road bike.
I came across a problem that ended with a email conversation between myself and Perry.
I didnt want to use their integrated cockpit as I had a few stems and bars hanging around and am gonna use those and have plenty of spacers that I can use to make it work.
When the frame arrived and unpacked everything and did a dry assembly I noticed that the compression ring/washer that sits on top of the top bearing was  missing.
I emailed Perry and he told me it wont fit unless I was using their bar/stem!
I informed him  that it wasnt part of the bar/stem set up but an essential part of the headset and the frame would be unridedable without it!
He offered to send me a new headset and spacers BUT insited that Ican bore no responsiblity if I used the spacers with a non Ican cockpit.
Anyway I should have the new headset tomorrow and will do an assemlbly with my 3T  stem and bars and see how it works.

Ta

You just need a C ring (compression ring with opening for integrated cables) and whatever headset cover you like.

[bus4@207]

Yeah but the C ring with space for the integrated cables wasnt in the headset and given the headset bearings are 1 1/2 it was difficult to get one so had to email Perry.Any a new headset complete with the C ring arrived today so I can continue the build.

[MK]

Yeah but the C ring with space for the integrated cables wasnt in the headset and given the headset bearings are 1 1/2 it was difficult to get one so had to email Perry.Any a new headset complete with the C ring arrived today so I can continue the build.

Cool, bus! I might try a get a C-ring off Ican. I went with the Ridley Comp Logic-E headset cover, which has an integrated C-ring. But I am contemplating moving in another direction...