Author Topic: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D  (Read 4779 times)

birdofficial

Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« on: May 20, 2024, 03:53:18 PM »
New frame just popped up on Speeder Cycling's site today. Looks good, but we only get to see a render for now.

https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Integrated-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R55D-_p429.html
Material: Toray M40J T700 / T800
Type: 700C Road Disc
Appearance: UDM
Finish: Gloss / Matt (can offer custom painting)
Headset: FSA NO.55R ACR 1.5" Fully-Integrated
BB: Press Fit BB86.5*41mm
Standard Weight: 980g+/-35g (51cm)
SL Weight: 880g+/-35g (51cm)
Frame Size: 45cm / 48cm / 51cm / 54cm / 57cm
Handlebar Size: 370mm / 390mm / 410mm / 430mm (C to C in hoods)
Stem Size: 85mm / 95mm / 105mm / 115mm / 125mm
Cable Routing: Full Internal
Di2 Compatible: Yes
Disc Mount: Flat Mount
Max Tire Clearance: 700 x 32c
TA: 12x100mm / 12x142mm
Test: ISO 4210
Warranty: Two Years




pavlo.k

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2024, 04:35:44 PM »
Looks similar to rose xlite

Serge_K

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2024, 02:53:04 AM »
Very nice, except the t700 800 mix, and to a lesser extent, weight.
How much do they sell their frames for usually?
This frame in a lighter / stiffer version with t800/1000 could be pretty amazing.
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

jfcb

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2024, 03:22:03 AM »
Difficult to say by comparing the 3D rendering with real pictures, but is Speeder Cycling the OEM of the Tavelo Arow frame?

Serge_K

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2024, 04:38:26 AM »
Difficult to say by comparing the 3D rendering with real pictures, but is Speeder Cycling the OEM of the Tavelo Arow frame?


geometry table is a bit different, seatpost clamp is different, and i think the tavelo frame is supposed to be significantly lighter.

Beyond that, they do look very similar...
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

Sakizashi

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2024, 11:50:28 AM »
Seems nice. Geometry and everything seems like a pretty conservative design, but thats not a bad thing. I do like the shape of the frame as it feels like a blend between the Tavelo Attack and Arow. I also think its an Adapt design. Maybe this one: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=841101518026184&set=a.227485472721128
 

Speeder seems to get pretty good reviews on here and the SC-ADV09 Bikepacking / Gravel fork is used by quite a few higher end builder as the lower cost fork option offered alongside Enve.

RDY

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2024, 07:57:24 AM »
New frame just popped up on Speeder Cycling's site today. Looks good, but we only get to see a render for now.

https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Integrated-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R55D-_p429.html
Material: Toray M40J T700 / T800
Type: 700C Road Disc
Appearance: UDM
Finish: Gloss / Matt (can offer custom painting)
Headset: FSA NO.55R ACR 1.5" Fully-Integrated
BB: Press Fit BB86.5*41mm
Standard Weight: 980g+/-35g (51cm)
SL Weight: 880g+/-35g (51cm)
Frame Size: 45cm / 48cm / 51cm / 54cm / 57cm
Handlebar Size: 370mm / 390mm / 410mm / 430mm (C to C in hoods)
Stem Size: 85mm / 95mm / 105mm / 115mm / 125mm
Cable Routing: Full Internal
Di2 Compatible: Yes
Disc Mount: Flat Mount
Max Tire Clearance: 700 x 32c
TA: 12x100mm / 12x142mm
Test: ISO 4210
Warranty: Two Years

Wow ... 2 frames in one week with a 57/58 with head angle below 73deg (other being Incolor).  Maybe the oil tanker is finally beginning to turn.  Not keen on the low BB drop tho.

patliean1

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2024, 09:04:22 AM »
Wow ... 2 frames in one week with a 57/58 with head angle below 73deg (other being Incolor).

How does this effect handling? Both head tube and seat tube angles still confuse me.

Sakizashi

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2024, 11:29:26 AM »
How does this effect handling? Both head tube and seat tube angles still confuse me.

Slacker head tube angles typically make for a less responsive bike; but this isnt a good or bad thing since the question is whether or not the overall design is balanced in terms of feedback to actual turning action. One of the concrete benefits of the slacker HT angle is increased front-center and wheelbase for larger riders without increasing reach. Because of current forward trend in bike fitting this has meant that in turns there is too much front weight bias giving bikes a tendency step out.

My opinion would be that they should just increase reach by 2-3% across sizes and call it a day rather than slack out the HT angles, but that creates fit problems for many riders and then you are fighting decades of bike fitting "science" and aesthetic.

RDY

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2024, 03:57:26 PM »
Slacker head tube angles typically make for a less responsive bike; but this isnt a good or bad thing since the question is whether or not the overall design is balanced in terms of feedback to actual turning action. One of the concrete benefits of the slacker HT angle is increased front-center and wheelbase for larger riders without increasing reach. Because of current forward trend in bike fitting this has meant that in turns there is too much front weight bias giving bikes a tendency step out.

My opinion would be that they should just increase reach by 2-3% across sizes and call it a day rather than slack out the HT angles, but that creates fit problems for many riders and then you are fighting decades of bike fitting "science" and aesthetic.

bolded part is all industry marketing mumbo jumbo.  second part is true, but the main thing is about reducing deflection of the front wheel due to riding surface, wind, or manhandling the bike at high power out of the saddle and increasing stability at speed.  taller, heavier riders need this more, not less than smaller riders.

increasing reach (and thus FC) will only increase stability a bit - as it'll be a smaller amount and head angles would still be far too steep.

from a fit, bike handling and geometry perspective there is absolutely no reason for larger frames to have  steeper head angles.  whilst there's plenty for them to have slacker head angles.  the status quo is purely about package size.

also any further increases in reach are going to need increases in seat angle - they're already far too slack in larger sizes.

Sakizashi

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2024, 07:49:48 PM »
bolded part is all industry marketing mumbo jumbo.  second part is true, but the main thing is about reducing deflection of the front wheel due to riding surface, wind, or manhandling the bike at high power out of the saddle and increasing stability at speed.  taller, heavier riders need this more, not less than smaller riders.

increasing reach (and thus FC) will only increase stability a bit - as it'll be a smaller amount and head angles would still be far too steep.

from a fit, bike handling and geometry perspective there is absolutely no reason for larger frames to have  steeper head angles.  whilst there's plenty for them to have slacker head angles.  the status quo is purely about package size.

also any further increases in reach are going to need increases in seat angle - they're already far too slack in larger sizes.

No, the bolded part is physics. Of course you can change other parts to the design to offset it (like lowering the rider). Fit and physics are often at odds in bike designs yet dependent on each other. Its a pretty hard thing to get right.

ricedaddy

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2024, 05:21:11 PM »
Difficult to say by comparing the 3D rendering with real pictures, but is Speeder Cycling the OEM of the Tavelo Arow frame?


People have suspected that Speeder is the OEM for Winspace and Tavelo are ex-Winspace employees....

precision6625

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2024, 10:40:32 AM »
Just put in an order for the SC-R55D after a dozen emails with questions and requests :) Communication with Justin is always smooth and he usually replies within a day (if not an hour or two), though I feel bad about bothering him for a single frame.

I think this frameset looks really good. Similar to the Tavelo Arow, but some differences in shaping (look at the TT-HT junction), plus this frameset has SRAM UDH, a round steerer (much preferred from a safety perspective), concealed dropout holes. Compared to the older SC-R52D model, I think the fork crown and seatstay junction shaping is much better, as well as the deeper-profile fork legs.

I'm buying this frame for the aero upgrade -- I won a few cat 3 road races this year on a heavy round-tube aluminum gravel frame, but it will be harder to continue with it at the Pro/1/2 level. Aero-wise, I think the SC-R55D is probably decent enough. Looking through the Tour Magazine wind tunnel tests, the similar Wilier Filante SLR tests around 210w @ 45kph with Zipp 404 wheels. For comparison, the fastest road bike is the Simplon Pride II, basically a TT frame, and it's at 202w with the same wheels. Supersix Gen 4 and SL7/SL8 are somewhere in between the two. Comparing the SC-R55D to the Filante, the fork legs are deeper, the seatpost appears narrower, the seatstays attach lower, and the fork-HT transition looks more modern. So aero performance is probably on par with the SL8, at the cost of 100g or whatever, which I don't care about.

I was actually planning on buying a Supersix Gen 4, but after trying out a 58cm model, my thighs rub against the top tube. And I think this is a problem I will have with most aero bikes with wide, high top tubes. I could size down, but then that decreases the front-center too much, which isn't ideal for handling at my height. So I settled on the SC-R55D size 535, which has a lower top tube, and front-center almost identical to the Supersix 58cm at 606mm. The downside there is that the stack is pretty low, so I might need to use a number of spacers, but I'm thinking of using an up-angled stem instead (i.e. the Simplon Pride / Cervelo S5 / TT bike strategy).

The only real downside is BB86. Not ideal for DUB of course. I'll be measuring it with a bore mic. Worst case, buy a 40.98mm reamer ($150) and/or BBInfinite bottom bracket ($200) and it's still a good deal I think.

Oh and the shaping of FSA ACR spacers is slightly annoying. Spacers are on the leading edge of the bike and it seems like low-hanging aero fruit to make it airfoil shaped like the SL7/SL8 rather than a rounded rectangle. I'll either try to print something, or maybe try using a Deda DCR upper headset instead, as the shaping is a bit better.

Unfortunately, custom paint isn't available for a single frame. So I'm getting it RTP (ready-to-paint). Going to do spray.bike, which might be a pain in the cold of ~November, but I'll figure something out.

Prices (USD): $660 frameset (including seatpost), $30 headset, $20 thru-axles, $50 additional zero-offset seatpost, $172 shipping + paypal

Thru-axle dimensions:
Frame 164mm M12*P1.0*L18
Fork 120mm M12*P1.5*L12

dsveddy

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2024, 01:00:24 PM »
Great to see someone on the forum finally pick up this much-buzzed-about frame! Thank you for sharing your notes and I really look forward to hearing about your experience!

PLA

Re: Speeder Cycling SC-R55D
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2024, 03:27:15 PM »
Just want to add, my experience with Speeder has been nothing but stellar. Ordered a whole bunch of handlebars and bottle cages from Justin for a set of team race bikes and everything turned out 100% perfecto. Wouldn't hesitate to recommend in a heartbeat.

I suspect if this frame was out when we bought our samples, this one may have been chosen or at least shortlisted. Looking forward to hearing your detailed user experience.
It’s so clearly a LARP of an aero bike.