I don't find my bike harsh at all. Currently running 30 or 32c tires depending on which wheelset it the flavor of the wind. Took a hot minute to track down all the creaking. Turned out I forgot to carbon grip the seatpost.... Oops.
I would not say the bike is harsh, I was pretty happy with it until I rode my endurance bike again and I think that Rose is just on another level it terms of comfort. It spoiled me
Thanks for sharing your experience. I went on geometrygeeks.bike to compare both bikes, and the geometry is so different i'm actually lost, which tells me you dont belong on a race bike, just like most people, and it's absolutely fine.
Also, that Rose Reveal looks really nice, actually!
Given that Rose is a catalogue buyer of chinese frames, and that Speeder is a revered OEM manufacturer for companies like Rose, i really doubt that Rose bikes are intrinsically better than Speeder, but it does sound like you found a geometry & frame that work for you, and that's great.
If you dont care about extra speed and ride bad roads, i'd consider selling the speeder, because comfort really does matter. I sold my giant propel for that very reason.
What crankset and calipers are you using? they both look cool.
Geo indeed looks vastly different but my position is almost identical between the two bikes. Within a couple of mm.
I have no doubts that Rose buys their frames in the far east but they are not your regular "just paint the OEM frame" kind of brand. Most of their bike have really unique features and I'm pretty sure that at a very least they have R&D in Germany and they design their own frames
Crankset is Leese, here's the link:
https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005008541602018.html I'm very happy with it, I paid something like 150$ with the spider during one of the sales. I initially received the spider that was a little wobbly but the seller have sent me the replacement really quickly and have 0 problems since.
Calipers are ZRace XG. They are definitely better than the original ltwoo and super light (don't remember the exact weight but they are lighter than the dura ace calipers) but I had a hard time bleeding these. None of the adapter from my bleed kit fit the bleed port on these calipers so I had to get creative.
I think my original post turned out as overly negative but just to clarify I really love the bike. I just shared my perspective as someone new to race bikes. I will definitely keep the bike. Thinking about doing head to head tests against the Rose once I get my hands on some powermeter pedals.
