Author Topic: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?  (Read 1475291 times)

Bonus79

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1350 on: July 02, 2025, 05:03:47 AM »
yesterday i tried to insert the expander plug supplied with the frame and it got stuck inside the fork stem. i lost more than 1 hour to extract it, i had to cut it and from the inside and with pliers i barely managed to remove it. i ordered the expander plug from DEDA Elementi. has it happened to you too?
Which Deda model did you order?

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1351 on: July 02, 2025, 08:55:16 AM »
yesterday i tried to insert the expander plug supplied with the frame and it got stuck inside the fork stem. i lost more than 1 hour to extract it, i had to cut it and from the inside and with pliers i barely managed to remove it. i ordered the expander plug from DEDA Elementi. has it happened to you too?

There's a specific technique to remove the sl8/clone expander after its been tightened. https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150915&start=15
You can also use a slide hammer type bearing puller etc.
Mine came from tantan without the specialized style expander, rather a plug similar to the deda but generic. I'm running a carbon ti style plug currently.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2025, 10:31:07 AM by glepore »

SkylarRnD

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1352 on: July 02, 2025, 09:00:25 AM »
There's a specific technique to remove the sl8/clone expander after its been tightened.
You can also use a slide hammer type bearing puller etc.
Mine came from tantan without the specialized style expander, rather a plug similar to the deda but generic. I'm running a carbon ti style plug currently.

Link to TiCarbon plug youre using?

simplywyn

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1353 on: July 02, 2025, 09:54:06 AM »
I’m 175cm with an inseam of 77cm what size do people recommend? I ride a 54 trek domane so far but the bike feels a tad bit big at times (although long rides I get very used to it after 200km)



sdicby87

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1355 on: July 02, 2025, 01:10:34 PM »

Regarding the Tarmac SL8 for 181 cm, I’d say a 56 cm is generally the right size. It tends to offer a good balance of comfort and performance. Of course, your exact sizing might depend on your body proportions like inseam and torso length, and your preferred riding style. If you want a more aggressive and stretched-out position, 56 is solid; if you prefer something more compact, a 54 could work with some stem and handlebar adjustments.

What frame size do you normally ride? And do you know your inseam or saddle height? That info can help fine-tune the recommendation even more.

Hope this helps! Let me know if you want to discuss more.

Want me to tweak the tone or shorten it?

Thank you for comprehensive comment! My inseam is 86cm, and saddle height 74cm measured along seat tube. I have done bit of DIY bike fit based on Neil Stanbury videos. I feel I get the cleats and saddle height / position quite good, but cockpit area still needs some work.

Played also with Specialized sizing tool which is based on height and chin length, with their guide I measured approx 40cm chin length. Interestingly, I got 56 when entered 181cm and 40cm, but 54 when entering 181cm and 39,95cm... Seems I am just between sizes according to Spez as well.

Currently riding Kona gravel bike with size 54. Comparing with geometrygeeks I see there is not much difference in reach - 54 is 4mm shorter, and 56 is 7mm longer. Stack on the other hand is 25mm lower on 56 and 46mm lower on 54. But as I don't have earlier experience on real road bike, I am not sure how to read this. I have swapped to longer stem and removing spacers, and feel I can definitely go lower. But how much, that I don't know.

Interesting comments from others as well. I keep seeing "size down" for this bike. Could you guys share reasoning why this recommendation?

Regarding colors, I got YS color options which is listing many metallic and pearl color options. I am sure I can pick nice color form here!

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1356 on: July 02, 2025, 03:10:56 PM »
The "size down" comes from a couple of points-first, some folks find the sl8 to be quick steering, particularly descending. Weight on the front end helps with this, and sizing down accommodates that. I've not had any issues descending, in part because I'm on the smaller of the sizes I was "between". It also enhances the feeling of being within the cg of the bike rather than on top of it. Its a snappy bike, and I think having it slightly small rather than slightly big enhances that.
I've not ridden a "larger" x68 or sl8, but its slightly smaller with a lower headtube than most of my bikes, and all I can say is it feels more of a piece of me than many other great bikes I have/have ridden.

Usain

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1357 on: July 02, 2025, 03:27:15 PM »
Started the build here. Dura ace groupset front brake caliper came with a mount attached, replacing the mounting adapter for the one which came with the frame. The bottom bolt fits fine, the top bolt seems too long, anyone experienced something similiar, bolts are reused from the original shimano mount adapter. As if the x68 has a deeper hole for the top bolt and therefore doesn’t tight well.

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1358 on: July 02, 2025, 03:39:32 PM »
Unless your adapter is sl8 specific, its wrong for the frame. Use the one that came with the frame. The fork mount spacing is unique to sl8/x68 and Aetheos.

pandinoyoung

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1359 on: July 02, 2025, 03:42:39 PM »
Which Deda model did you order?

I bought this one, it arrived, it seems better designed, at least it doesn't get stuck inside me
https://dedaelementi.com/it/expander-70

pandinoyoung

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1360 on: July 02, 2025, 03:46:21 PM »
There's a specific technique to remove the sl8/clone expander after its been tightened. https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150915&start=15
You can also use a slide hammer type bearing puller etc.
Mine came from tantan without the specialized style expander, rather a plug similar to the deda but generic. I'm running a carbon ti style plug currently.

thanks, I didn't know about this peculiarity. of course the extractor costs 5 expanders. I solved it by sawing it ;D

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1361 on: July 02, 2025, 04:08:23 PM »
thanks, I didn't know about this peculiarity. of course the extractor costs 5 expanders. I solved it by sawing it ;D

Occasionally it has been noted that people have cut down the steer tube on the SL8 but have failed to cut down the corresponding black part on the provided expander thus it gets stuck.
And also the expander has a particular technique to remove it as noted above!
Good thing I don’t use these plugs seem like a faff!

SkylarRnD

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1362 on: July 02, 2025, 06:28:53 PM »
I did a race this Saturday, and there were many fast descents over 70km/h, with heavy braking at the bottom to a sharp left.
There was also a gravel section with rough terrain and a descent there where I was going over 50km/h. The frame and fork survived, and everything is ok. I'm 191cm and I weigh 101-2kg with all the gels on me, it was closer to 102kg i'd say  :D :D

I hope that this was a good stress test for my frame. I was like, if it goes, at least it is at the place where the ambulance is relatively close by (joke not joke :D). Also, to put the hat on my stupidity, I rode that with my cracked seat post, which held up fine too :D

This is how the bike looked after   :D

This purple looks amazing! Do you know the color code for this? What size frame is it?

dovh

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1363 on: July 03, 2025, 03:22:03 AM »
This purple looks amazing! Do you know the color code for this? What size frame is it?

Hey, thanks! :) Also really love the color, it's holding up fine for a matte color so far.

I posted it here https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,5353.msg76591.html#msg76591 in an earlier post.

planet_sammy

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1364 on: July 03, 2025, 07:48:17 AM »
Quick question so I don't have to leaf through all 95 pages... are the chameleon colors sealed with 2k clearcoat or just 1k?