Any thoughts on the 145% Chinese tariff on purchases?

[MrJag]

Oh look, Trump just signed an EO to suspend de minimis for ALL imports (not just from China). The party doesn't stop.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-suspends-minimis-exemption-low-185825077.html

[Tijoe]

2 days ago, I placed my first small order via Aliexpress for some drybags  I use on my cycling adventures and a wrist brace .  All of the items were "Choice" items with a discount coupon on top.  I was able to get my items for only 15% more in price than the last time I purchased these items.   (Yeah! I only had to absorb 1/2 the cost of our eliminated De Minimus, and new tariffs - AKA TAXES!) 

OTOH.  I would like to purchase a spare MS MTB cassette in order to be able to put it on a spare rear wheel I built up last fall.   I checked the price, and the listed price has increased over 60% since my last purchase.   After a $15 off coupon and coins,  the price I would have to pays is 32% more than I last paid.

I sure am glad, that China is paying for our US Tariffs, and that the consumer isn't paying for these price increases!!!

[Chiyou]

It's TACO Tuesday again, with the tariff deadline between the US and China that was set to expire getting extended another three months. That means the US will keep its tariff rate on Chinese imports at 30% while the Chinese rate on goods from the US remains at 10%.

In related news, exports from China to the US have dropped 12.6% this year as of July; Chinese imports from the U.S. fell by 10.3% for the same timeframe. Inflation in the US keeps rising thanks to tariffs, with consumer prices in July up 2.7% from a year ago.

[lavistaa]

I wonder how the deminmus might impact “choice items”; aren’t those already in the country and so the tariffs paid on the shipment not the individual items?

[Tijoe]

I wonder how the deminmus might impact “choice items”; aren’t those already in the country and so the tariffs paid on the shipment not the individual items?

-To date, all of my "Choice items" I have recently purchased have shipped from China.
- All of the Choice items I have purchased from different Aliexpress stores, on the same day, are all bundled into one package that I receive.
- If you look at tracking for your items, early in the delivery process, the items are packaged together when received at the "sorting center of origin".
- I believe that Aliexpress has a very sophisticated purchased item tracking system where all of the items heading to the USA, by air cargo, are listed under "the USA import commodity code", item's description, CIF (Cost, Insurance, and Freight), (I don't know if this value is the same as what we pay.)
- Their system processes the declerations and pays all of the fees/taxes before the items hit customs.   
- Imagine a continuous flow of transactions happening in real time, syncronized when the cargo plane lands and unloads for processing through customs.

[Ludo]

No they deliver you DDP. The only way they can do away with most of the taxes I think is only by selling to a US company that we transact with, ie our orders are to a US selling agent. The agent is the importer of record so they can whose the value declared on the sale between China and US agent. It has to be something like that or otherwise they are seriously playing the system.

[loheiman]

How about frame orders which typically aren't shipped "choice". Should I expect a import duty to US?

[Ludo]

Nothing if shipping ddp

[Tijoe]

How about frame orders which typically aren't shipped "choice". Should I expect a import duty to US?

If the posting states "Import Charges Included"  you are paying Aliexpress to do all the paperwork and they pay the "Taxes" oops, Tariffs, and everything will be transparent to you.   Other than paying somewhere around 35% to 40% more that you would have back in April.

[loheiman]

Nothing if shipping ddp

How can I tell if something is "DDP"?

If the posting states "Import Charges Included"  you are paying Aliexpress to do all the paperwork and they pay the "Taxes" oops, Tariffs, and everything will be transparent to you.   Other than paying somewhere around 35% to 40% more that you would have back in April.

Okay I do see both my frame and wheels listing say "Incl. import charges; est. other taxes" but when I click on it to see the breakdown of the amount the entire amount is "salex tax" (i'm in Calfornia). I'm still a bit worried because the frame company (Spcycle) says they're going to ship via UPS which is the courier that is involved for most people having to pay import duties.

Frame: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808881704003.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.84.449e1802zdJ8VT&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

Wheels: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804388448446.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.68.449e1802zdJ8VT&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

[Stubbie Blue]

How can I tell if something is "DDP"?

Okay I do see both my frame and wheels listing say "Incl. import charges; est. other taxes" but when I click on it to see the breakdown of the amount the entire amount is "salex tax" (i'm in Calfornia). I'm still a bit worried because the frame company (Spcycle) says they're going to ship via UPS which is the courier that is involved for most people having to pay import duties.

Frame: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808881704003.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.84.449e1802zdJ8VT&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

Wheels: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804388448446.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.68.449e1802zdJ8VT&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

Choice items shipped through AliExpress's own shipping service include tariffs in the price. Anything else where the seller chooses which shipping service to use may or may not include tariffs despite the "Incl. import charges" messaging on AliExpress. So you have to ask the seller. If they use UPS/FedEx/DHL direct from China to the US, then most likely you will have to pay tariffs plus a customs brokerage fee. However, if they specifically state that it is DDP, then what usually happens is they ship it (by ocean freight for large packages) to a warehouse in the US, they pay the tariffs on a lower non-retail cost, then it gets shipped to you and this part can be by UPS/FedEx without any tariffs billed to you. Sellers that I know who do this include: EliteWheels, TanTan, anrancee, Yiwu Donglue.

[Tijoe]

This thread has been sleeping for over a month.   Are we all adjusted to paying that extra 35% tariff?   Prices sure aren't like they used to be here in the US.

I am writing because for the past several weeks, the Aliexpress e-mails I receive advertise a good low price in the e-mails.  When I click on the item in the ad, and navigate to the Aliexpress item, the displayed price just between 25% and 35%.   

Are others of you here in the US seeing the same thing?   I suspect that the price listed on the add does not include the illegally added tRump tariffs, and some algorithm adds what Aliexpress has to pay at Customs. (What the US consumer has to pay to get the item into the US.)

 

[Ludo]

Yes, same, and sadly no news worth discussing on this right now

[Chiyou]

I don't receive any AliExpress ads so I can't speak to that question specifically but if I compare my pre-tariff purchases to current-day prices, 25-35% indeed seems to be what's needed to cover the tax cuts for billionaires.

Also, there seems to be an uptick in products that aren't being made available to the US region, possibly because some sellers don't want to deal with the hassle of importing goods to the US market. In other words, we are being charged more for the privilege of having fewer purchasing options.

SCOTUS at least seemed skeptical about the administration's view during the recent IEEPA hearings. But we all know that, at least for some justices, what's more important than any law is where the money for the next motor home is coming from.

[Tijoe]

Since the IEEPA portion of the tariffs have been found illegal, does anyone have any thoughts on how all of us Aliexpress buyers here in the US, who have been ripped-off, can figure out how to recover this money? I don't want my money to be handed over to the corporations.  One would think that Aliexpress could quickly tell us how much tariff dollars we have paid on the items we purchased.   With the $800 de-minimus gone, we still have to pay a 25% existing tariff, but some portion of the illegal 20% to 22% should be up for grabs.  One other unknown variable is if Aliexpress and their stores have absorbed a percentage of the tariffs without passing this on to the buyer.