Author Topic: Quickpro AR:one  (Read 1224 times)

Kar25

Quickpro AR:one
« on: November 07, 2024, 03:17:41 AM »
Hi :)
Does anyone know/ride these Quickpro AR:one... It look very interesting according to the specifications ;)


https://www.quick-bikes.com/en/arone/



toxin

Re: Quickpro AR:one
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2024, 05:36:43 AM »
There is no distribution for them yet, they're coming to panda podium soon. Taking a weirdly long time considering Joe's close relationship with them

More interested in the ER:One personally
« Last Edit: November 07, 2024, 05:45:38 AM by toxin »

Sander2177

Re: Quickpro AR:one
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2024, 09:30:36 AM »
Obviously just released today! also with Black Friday discounts. Still pricey for a Chinese frame brand no one in the west has heard of imo even though I trust Joe from Panda Podium and have made numerous purchaseS

rhenders

Re: Quickpro AR:one
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2024, 12:28:54 PM »
There is no distribution for them yet, they're coming to panda podium soon. Taking a weirdly long time considering Joe's close relationship with them

More interested in the ER:One personally

This looks really cool. Have you seen any geometry charts or more details for this one?

bremerradkurier

Re: Quickpro AR:one
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2024, 01:07:01 PM »
Maybe a play on the Argon brand name?

gloscherrybomb

Re: Quickpro AR:one
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2024, 03:44:46 PM »
Headtube > fork interface ain't got no alibi

Serge_K

Re: Quickpro AR:one
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2024, 01:28:30 AM »
China cycling on YT released a video on it. Very low stack, very stiff, very uncomfortable. A lot of that absence of comfort is probably due to that blade looking seat post. It's ironic, because you want a seat post to be stiff laterally, so it doesnt bend when you pedal seated, side to side, but you do want it to bend / absorb front to back when you hit any road imperfection. So, mechanically, you'd actually want the blade shape to be turned 90 degrees, but because of aero, you dont. Which, btw, is probably the biggest ad for a round seatpost.
There's no mention of wind tunnel testing, so they're selling an aero 2k frame w/o aero data.
For most people in the west, ie anyone who isn't only interested in a very aggressive, very low race bike for race day, that's probably a poor frame choice, especially if you're tall.
Joe mentions the supersix evo hi mod rim as peak stiff and peak discomfort. I rebuilt mine (the himod version Sagan raced before going to specialized) and rode it a few times this summer after doing thousands of km on my LT268. Yes, it feels nice uphill, although it's not faster than my LT (as per strava, doing hard efforts on a climb i know well), but man, anywhere else, it suuuuucks. I have 25mm high end tubulars on bora one 50mm wheels. It's jittery, uncomfortable, sketchy downhill because it doesnt feel planted at all, it's slow AF on the flat, plain horrible in comparison.
My supersix weighs ~6kg, and the 268 is ~7.5.

Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

toxin

Re: Quickpro AR:one
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2024, 05:46:22 AM »
PandaPodium product page:

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The AR:One was developed to strike a balance between weight, stiffness and aerodynamic efficiency. The tube profiles were designed using a wind-tunnel verified computation fluid dynamics (CFD) model. With the team's sprint speeds often exceeding 70kph, the importance of aero cannot be overstated.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2024, 05:48:56 AM by toxin »

gloscherrybomb

Re: Quickpro AR:one
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2024, 05:53:37 AM »
That means not wind-tunnel tested.

wind-tunnel verified CFD model, just means CFD.

That said, I don't think every new frame needs wind-tunnel data when it uses some pretty standard and well refined shapes.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2024, 05:55:11 AM by gloscherrybomb »

toxin

Re: Quickpro AR:one
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2024, 06:45:38 AM »
Plenty of fast bikes weren't actually developed in the wind tunnel. Most times the wind tunnel is just used to verify or create data for marketing after the bike has already been finalised.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2024, 06:47:36 AM by toxin »

Sakizashi

Re: Quickpro AR:one
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2024, 12:49:12 PM »
Plenty of fast bikes weren't actually developed in the wind tunnel. Most times the wind tunnel is just used to verify or create data for marketing after the bike has already been finalised.

I feel like this statement lacks context. Most WT-level race bikes have prototypes or scaled models that are put into low-speed wind tunnels in multiple rounds as part of the development phase to verify the design after using CFD as the primary tool. Still, these bikes are also a tiny percentage sold, even by high-end brands. It is worth noting that higher-end wheels are developed this way, too, often using 3d printed mockups for round one post-CFD, and then going back in with the final design. Hunt is very transparent about how they do this in their whitepapers, so you can get a feel for what that process looks and feels like.

The other thing is that CFD can get complicated so not all CFD is equal. Many engineers who took the 400-level undergrad courses in fluids could do some basic stuff, but effective analysis to squeeze out gains does require someone with specialist skills. I suspect AI tools are changing this pretty rapidly, but as far as I know, we aren't there yet. The counter to this is that it doesn't make a difference on a road bike to most of us; frames, in general, are pretty darn marginal.