looking for the best current oem relaxed aero frame: updated LTK268D or VBR099

[nabilou]

hello guys , i know you know everything and i know you are building the best quality price batbike.
i m looking for an EPS molded frame , no doubt that the probability to get a more robust frame is better.
i prefer to get a T47 or threated BB. but if i have no choice ok for a pf on a reliable frame
i m looking for a frame which is reliable and well finished, not a nightmare to assemble with my mechanical 105 2x12

if i understand , if i trust hambini, the light carbon lcr017d is the state of the art but the reach is too long for my short torso and i m not a big fan , visually speaking of the frame
the ltbike RD301 is too gravel for me
hygge model S can be an option
vbr268 seems to show lots of issues, if i understand velobuild is a broker and tend to buy cheapest finished frame
vbr177?
SC-R55D?

why not the old ltk268D?

happy to receive some forgotten options
many thanks

[Serge_K]

i have the LT268 (which is an open mould), so i think tantan and others make the same frame, and i'm very happy w it. If i were to buy a frame today though, i'd go w the speeder 55. It's newer, lighter, it looks very nice, and i'd be very curious to see how it rides.
That being said, i dont think you can go wrong with either. The 268 is substantially cheaper. If you keep it several years, it shouldn't matter too much, because speeder is still great value, but there is a difference.

[Bowen1911]

... If i were to buy a frame today though, i'd go w the speeder 55. It's newer, lighter, it looks very nice, and i'd be very curious to see how it rides.
...

(insert "Do it" meme here)


I'm just about set on this frame.  Getting closer and closer to pulling the trigger each day.  Just wondering what the wife will say when it shows up

[numberzero]

CS-R01 has a short reach compared to the actual geometries https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,5379.0.html

I doubt the LTK268D and the VBR099 are eps molded like you want.

If you run mechanical groupset, take care of which handlebar you get. Depending of the design some of them can be a nightmare with really tight holes and/or ankward positionning

[Miodu]

Had the same dillema and finally took 268. Few known issues but simply to resolve.

[Serge_K]

I doubt the LTK268D and the VBR099 are eps molded like you want.

The LTK268 is, both frames i built are very nice inside, unlike the VB i've built (168, GF02, GF03). Although the GF03 may have been, i just dont remember.

[nabilou]

Many thanks for the few answers.
could you please give me a reliability / reputation score for the following names:
tantan
velobuild
ltbike
yishun
light carbon
hygge
tavelo
speedercycling
sp cycle
xmcarbonspeed
carbonda
winowsports
tideace
mira
DongGuan ceccotti
ican

btw i am building an excel file to summarize the current possibilities for my size. Maybe it can help another guy so i share it: see lower bike.xls attached file (only visible if connected for the beginners)
the forum is a gold mine but a bit time consuming to read everythng

[Serge_K]

I could, but you'd have to pay me!

[BeR]

I could, but you'd have to pay me!

Serge, I answer for you : LT and Carbon speed  .

[nabilou]

I could, but you'd have to pay me!

time to launch your channel like pat from chicago

[nabilou]

tell me if i m wrong, but the best brand/factory in class are based in xiamen . buying elsewhere means taking a risk with high probability.
if we make the assumptions that xiamen is the closest chinese city from taiwan and that the local competition is pretty good , it makes sense

X XIAMEN   winspace
X XIAMEN   yishun
X XIAMEN   light carbon
X XIAMEN   xmcarbonspeed
X XIAMEN   speedercycling
X XIAMEN   tavelo / adapt
X XIAMEN   pro mance
X XIAMEN   ornan

?   hygge
Huizhou City, Guangdong   carbonda
Huizhou City, Guangdong   mira
Huizhou City, Guangdong   ltbike
shenzen   tantan
shenzen   velobuild
shenzen   sp cycle
shenzen   winowsports
shenzen   tideace
shenzen   ican
shenzen   airwolf / yaoflying
dongguan   DongGuan ceccotti

[BeR]

tell me if i m wrong, but the best brand/factory in class are based in xiamen . buying elsewhere means taking a risk with high probability.
if we make the assumptions that xiamen is the closest chinese city from taiwan and that the local competition is pretty good , it makes sense

X XIAMEN   winspace
X XIAMEN   yishun
X XIAMEN   light carbon
X XIAMEN   xmcarbonspeed
X XIAMEN   speedercycling
X XIAMEN   tavelo / adapt
X XIAMEN   pro mance
X XIAMEN   ornan

?   hygge
Huizhou City, Guangdong   carbonda
Huizhou City, Guangdong   mira
Huizhou City, Guangdong   ltbike
shenzen   tantan
shenzen   velobuild
shenzen   sp cycle
shenzen   winowsports
shenzen   tideace
shenzen   ican
shenzen   airwolf / yaoflying
dongguan   DongGuan ceccotti

I think that Hygge frame comes from Winow.

[nabilou]

I think that Hygge frame comes from Winow.

Ok it means they probably don't use EPS molding
i don't say that the frame is bad , i only say that i guess the state of the art of molding takes only place in the xiamen factories

[BeR]

I don't know what to think of Dongguan factories. Quality or not ?

[nabilou]

I don't know what to think of Dongguan factories. Quality or not ?

i m not chinese and i don't have a local view . Maybe there is a move of some brands in exotic place to minimise cost. But from my point of view be alone in a place can give a lack of emulation.
But ceccotti seems not to be the cherry of Chinertown from what i read