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Sebastian

Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« on: January 28, 2025, 05:51:49 AM »
First impression of these wheels. I think these are a winner in terms of bang for your buck.

I bought this wheelset from serenadebikes.net which is the brandname of 7-Tiger Bike Components. These wheels are clearly modelled after the Princeton Carbonworks 4550 Evolution wheels, but obviously a LOT more affordable and a lot less over the top in terms of decals and design.

They're 529 USD with Pillar Wing20 spokes and 569 with Sapim CX-Rays (which are what the original wheels use). Personally, I've built and own wheels with both types of spokes and, I think they're pretty much the same and they're certainly indistinguishable when riding. The Pillars might be a touch less aero, being 0.2mm wider but I believe that's splitting hairs.

The specs

The standout feature obviously is the weight. As you can see, I've measured them to weigh 1190g. Frankly, I think that's absolutely bonkers for a 50mm deep clincher wheelset with steel spokes.
Inner width is a more traditional 21.5mm hooked. Externally, I've measured them to be 29.75mm.
My other wheelset has an internal width of 25mm and personally, I've come to the conclusion that I like a narrower internal rim width more because the tire cross section of a 28mm is rounder and steering and handling feels better. More like I'm used to from a tubular. Also, particularly when climbing out of the saddle, I really didn't like the feeling of a squishy front tire squirming underneath me with a 25mm internal rim. I'm talking the exact same tire pressure. About 60psi in the front for me. I think 21-23mm internal is the sweet spot for 28c-30c tires which is what I ride. It just feels better and more nimble to me.
So are they aero? Obviously I need more riding time to at least assess whether there's a discernible difference in the data on my usual routes. These 28c Tufo tires blow up to 30.5mm on these rims. As you can see though, the rim at least visually appears to basically be exactly as wide as the tire.

The ride

I've been looking for that "zingy" kind of feeling of a superlight wheelset. IME it truly transforms the way that a bike feels and it's just plain fun to ride. My rim brake Chinarello that I use for crits has 60mm deep tubular wheels weighing just 1300g. Combined with cotton tubs that makes for a truly special ride feel. Aero and still crazy responsive when sprinting up sharp inclines. These wheels can recreate that kind of feeling in a truly magical way. I had a super aero wide wheelset on there before that weighs 1450g. But it just felt sluggish every time I needed to sprint up a hill. These just GO. And I don't feel like they lack inertia on the flats. There's no discernible lack of stiffness. The hubs are the now ubiquitous straight pull ratchet centerlock hubs with 36 tooth. They're DT Swiss compatible should you have to source different freehubs.

This is my second wheelset by Serenade / 7-Tiger. I can wholeheartedly recommend them. I think they offer some of the best stuff there is in the 4-700USD price range. You can order via their website. However, I usually communicate per whatsapp with Marya (+86 180 2020 4229)

This is my initial impression. I've only ridden these for a week now and I'll do an update when I've done a few thousand kilometres.



« Last Edit: January 28, 2025, 05:58:55 AM by Sebastian »



Serge_K

Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2025, 06:39:45 AM »
Very interesting, thank you for that post.
+1 on the pillar wing 20. i've used these and sapim cx ray on a dozen wheelsets, i can't tell them apart, and because they're a tad cheaper, all my latest wheelsets i've order w pillar wing 20.
I may reach out to Marya on whatsapp to get a quote, i need a set for a girl friend.
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

Sebastian

Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2025, 06:51:31 AM »
Forgot to put a link to these wheels:

https://serenadebikes.net/50mm-Wave-Whape-Carbon-Racing-Bike-Wheelset-Ratchet-hub-1200g-p6220620.html

Also, shipping is fast for anyone in Europe because they have a warehouse in Spain.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2025, 07:39:40 AM by Sebastian »

Avalius

Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2025, 09:04:02 AM »
Very nice looking wheels, was looking for something similiar for my velobuild. So shipping from spain no additional costs? As a loyal customer can you ask a code for referring your friends on chinertown? :P -10% maybe worth trying ;-)
"You can't be sad while riding a bicycle."

Sebastian

Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2025, 09:16:19 AM »
Very nice looking wheels, was looking for something similiar for my velobuild. So shipping from spain no additional costs? As a loyal customer can you ask a code for referring your friends on chinertown? :P -10% maybe worth trying ;-)

Well, I can certainly try :) They have some sort of first purchase discount anyway if you sign up for their newsletter, IIRC.
It's Chinese New Year, though, so I wouldn't count on a quick reply.

Avalius

Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2025, 09:52:31 AM »
Well, I can certainly try :) They have some sort of first purchase discount anyway if you sign up for their newsletter, IIRC.
It's Chinese New Year, though, so I wouldn't count on a quick reply.

Did you have to pay import duties/customs? What country was it shipped to?
"You can't be sad while riding a bicycle."

Serge_K

Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2025, 09:59:46 AM »
Btw, are they magicians, or are they cutting corners? Do we know from where they saved the weight, and is it safe / as reliable as a wheelset 100g heavier? I think light carbon (i think it's them?) makes a version of their wheels for super light people, for example, and i wouldnt ride them, because i'm not exactly light... Were corners cut there?
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

Sebastian

Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2025, 10:04:34 AM »
Did you have to pay import duties/customs? What country was it shipped to?

Shipping to Germany. 30USD. No customs obviously bc it's both within the EU.

Sebastian

Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2025, 10:12:05 AM »
Btw, are they magicians, or are they cutting corners? Do we know from where they saved the weight, and is it safe / as reliable as a wheelset 100g heavier? I think light carbon (i think it's them?) makes a version of their wheels for super light people, for example, and i wouldnt ride them, because i'm not exactly light... Were corners cut there?

Well, the originals are 1220g so not exactly a huge amount heavier. And there's no specified weight limit to my knowledge.
I think there's two things going on:
A) The hubs are VERY light at 248g for the set. They do spin very smoothly but it obviously means the bearings are probably smaller in diameter. That's a common way of saving weight. If the bearings are opf sufficient quality, that's fine. The jury is still out in terms of durability of course. That's why I'll post a long term update.
B) There's weight savings in the rim profile. Obviously with these being wavy rims, there's less material used than with a standard 50mm rim. AND they're simply narrower. Would they be 32mm wide or even wider, you'd probably be looking at a 1300-1350g wheelset which can be considered quite common now, right?

Edit: Rider weight limit is 100kg as per the product page of these wheels. (See link above)
« Last Edit: January 28, 2025, 12:23:50 PM by Sebastian »

Takiyaki

Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2025, 01:12:33 PM »
Those are some crazy specs. I would prefer just a hair more external width. I think you are onto something with narrower IW and feel though. I have 28s on 24IW wheels and lateral stability feels a little off. I'm not crazy about it. I preferred 28s on IIRC 19-21 IW wheels (whatever cheapo Elite Drive wheels are)

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Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2025, 01:43:09 PM »
Would you recon if they could work on some terrain or they are road only? This 100kg limit tells me don't but.....
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Sebastian

Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2025, 02:59:33 PM »
Would you recon if they could work on some terrain or they are road only? This 100kg limit tells me don't but.....

I think these are intended to be road wheels and not much else. I mean sure you could obviously still ride them on gravel but I‘d suggest there’s options better suited to that.
Serenade offer a 25internal/30external/30deep gravel wheelset that’s like 1180g for around the same money or even less if you want something seriously light. Others out there have similar options, I believe.

bichler.bua

Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2025, 03:01:26 AM »
I think this is a wheelset from Serenade that was recommended in another thread here in Chinertown related to gravel
https://serenadebikes.net/1320gr-40mm-carbon-gravel-bike-wheelset-hookless-paintless-rims-disc-brake-ratchet-wheels-p4485391.html

Daviddavieboy

Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2025, 05:23:50 AM »
I've been looking for that "zingy" kind of feeling of a superlight wheelset. IME it truly transforms the way that a bike feels and it's just plain fun to ride.

 Kind of surprising considering the tires mounted in the photos. I have literally worn out hundreds of tubulars over the years and never met a Tufo I liked. To be fair I have never tried this version, are they built like the older versions (latex bonded to casing) ?

 What I did like about Tufo tires is that if you had a flat, some tubeless sealant could be used to get you going again. Unfortunately I found they were only suitable for training.

raisinberry777

Re: Serenade 4550 Wavy Wheelset SUB 1200g steel spokes 500USD
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2025, 05:39:26 AM »
Kind of surprising considering the tires mounted in the photos. I have literally worn out hundreds of tubulars over the years and never met a Tufo I liked. To be fair I have never tried this version, are they built like the older versions (latex bonded to casing) ?

 What I did like about Tufo tires is that if you had a flat, some tubeless sealant could be used to get you going again. Unfortunately I found they were only suitable for training.

The recent Tufo tubeless tyres are much, much better than old Tufos - forget about those. The Comtura Aero, Comtura Duo and Endurance 7TR all test well in indepedent testing from bicyclerollingresistance.com. The gravel tyres (Thundero) are excellent too. Tufo has taken a massive step with their recent releases.