Lightcarbon: LCR018-D (endurance all-road)

[JimLee]

Hi Jim, I know this is a bit out of turn since I'm not planning on buying a frameset right now, but I wanted to see if you've considered making a racier geometry. Something along the lines of using the size 47 stack for the 52 frame, with the 72.6-degree HT of the 56, but still using the 51mm offset fork. The reach may need to extend slightly to maintain the ~590mm FC. Similar to what Trek did to make the RSL version of their Domane.

For larger riders, a size 56 frame, paired with the stack from the 52, and utilizing the 51mm offset fork, would likely complete the range. I'm not sure if a 54 or 58 would make sense, given the overlap with the rest of the size range. Going smaller is also difficult because you don't want the head tube to get too small.

That said, I suspect that size 52 would be more popular. Riders are lowering their saddles, but they can't size down without being too far forward relative to the wheelbase. This is less of an issue for riders who would use the 56.

Even if these had no frame storage and only came with a higher-end layup, I suspect there would be a market for something like this.

We will consider it, thanks for your suggestion. But it won't be this year. We have designed too many new frames this year, and the mold cost is beyond the plan.

[sukerbole1]

Would be interesting to poll this, but I'm pretty sure westerners, far and wide, need less aggressive geometries, not more.

Just watched TraceVelo mention this frame, instantly went here to look up some geometry to see if it could be suitable for me. Super happy to see it's a bike that doesn't seem to be made for asian ratios. Might consider building this at one point (Although the Carbon Speed endurance framea also looks good), but to me this has a lot of what I would like in a bike. The internal storage is also pretty nice.

[Sakizashi]

We will consider it, thanks for your suggestion. But it won't be this year. We have designed too many new frames this year, and the mold cost is beyond the plan.

Thanks. Completely understand and thanks for the reply.

Would be interesting to poll this, but I'm pretty sure westerners, far and wide, need less aggressive geometries, not more. There are plenty of Chinese frames with super low stacks, and very few attractive frames with less reach and more stack. Looking online and in real life, it seems that the trend for the West going forward is less reach, more stack.
Maybe... Users please like that post if you agree / you're after such a "western market 2.0" frame, or like sakizashi s previous message if you want more aggressive geometries in general?

I know this is a popular talking point among youtubers and podcasters right now, but IMO its sort of a pointless discussion. There is a reason endurance geometries exist and if you need one you should buy one. I dont think its based on ethinicity though, at least not to the point where it cant be compensated for adjustments to components / seatposts. That is a sort of a weird take, when we have moved away from men / women specific bikes.

For race bikes in particular the topic is a lot more interesting, because of fit trends evolving towards being longer instead of being lower, thus stacks have slowly crept up a couple of CM. This, though shouldnt be universal across the rize range because 700c wheels already force smaller riders into a different position and IMO the narrative around race bikes getting taller has ignored smaller men and women, just like the UCI. Chinese brands largely dont solve the problem either as the reach tends to be too short. It’s worth noting that aero race bikes are not getting shorter. They are getting longer.

That said, I wasn’t asking for a typical aero race bike. I was suggesting building a race bike that fits 38mm tires (optimized for 32-35mm), similar to the bike that won two back to back editions of the Paris Roubaix Femmes. This is still a rare bike and of the Chinese brands, this one really close to making that happen with right fork offset and rear triangle design already existing. I also dont think you need a full size range to make this work just a couple in the middle to cater to riders who are fit constrained by the current geos. I think the market would be niche, but its a pretty empty one.

[anothercheapbuild]

What's the moulding process for these frames? EPS or bladder + PU inserts?
How does the inside of the frames produced by this manufacturer look like?

[Da11as]

Would be interesting to poll this, but I'm pretty sure westerners, far and wide, need less aggressive geometries, not more. There are plenty of Chinese frames with super low stacks, and very few attractive frames with less reach and more stack. Looking online and in real life, it seems that the trend for the West going forward is less reach, more stack.
Maybe... Users please like that post if you agree / you're after such a "western market 2.0" frame, or like sakizashi s previous message if you want more aggressive geometries in general?

If you are going high and short, it is more in line with endurance mindset and this is fine. Modern race bikes move towards higher stack and same reach (and sometimes steeper ST angle), which enables aero position without compromising on back and hip angle. Think of latest Supersix Evo, Merida Reacto, SC-R55 etc. So I think what you suggest is endurance frame with racy appearance

Classic race geometry would work for someone with short legs and long torso (see Remco Evenpoel, Caleb Ewan).

[vasilealx]

Does the frame have UDH hanger?

[Dragos]

Does the frame have UDH hanger?

Yes

[DrRoB]

@JimLee

Is there a bigger weight difference between the model with and model without down tube storage?

[POTOOOOOOOO]

Does the frame have UDH hanger?

Long time lurker but 1st post.

I’ve been talking with light carbon and apparently it isn’t UDH.
I’d assume they would know, but I’d like clarification on this as it’s a dealbreaker for me.

Weirdly my next frame is either this if it’s UDH, or a new Aspero 5. Hopefully the market will catch up to big tire road frames and not gravel so you can fit decent size tires and a 48t+ single chainring.

[Uberflo]

According to the photos on the first page it’s an UDH hanger.

[Bender87]

Hey all,

i'm feeling a strong nostalgia for this forum, like my earlier days of the internet with forums were you could get so much information without any shitty ads and videos, just reading and not viewing a 5min yt tutorial, for something that would 5 Step text-instruction. But hey, that's the time we live right now.

But back to the topic, i just ordered the frame.
Felt a bit in love with the design and the endurance geometry. This will be my second "china" and third overall frame build.

Checked the forum, checked other sources for any kind of information about LightCarbon.
Went to the EuroBike few weeks ago and checked there booth, got in touch with Wendy from LC.
And than, ordered the frame.

My expectations are all over from: yeah, best 900€ spend of my life and i will probably crash on the first ride due to the frame brake in half.
Let's see how it goes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[POTOOOOOOOO]

According to the photos on the first page it’s an UDH hanger.

I spoke with another contact at LC and they’ve said it’s actually a mini UDH.
I’ve no idea what that is so awaiting more info.

[vasilealx]

I spoke with another contact at LC and they’ve said it’s actually a mini UDH.
I’ve no idea what that is so awaiting more info.

I'm interested in this frame, but if it does not support "Full Mount" for the new Sram Rival/Force XPLR derailleur, it's a deal breaker.

[Tasthal]

My expectations are all over from: yeah, best 900€ spend of my life and i will probably crash on the first ride due to the frame brake in half.
Let's see how it goes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Welcome and thanks for sharing! Could you perhaps elaborate about what's included in the 900EU price? Compared to the 650USD (558EU direct conversion) quoted for the whole set earlier on this thread. Custom paint and shipping make up the 300+EU difference?
And did they indicate when they would ship your frame, and what size did you get?

[neobiker]

I also ordered the frame, around 900€. Custom paint is 200 USD, delivery is 130 USD, and PayPal fee adds 5%.