Looking for balanced carbon frameset (sporty but not too aggressive)

[AlexxRR]

As a reference I´d use the Canyon Ultimate.
Desired sizes: stack around 600 and reach around 400mm or something less, top tube some 580 to 600mm, head tube around 180mm.
The frameset should be compatible with DI2 and possibly have a BB86 bottom bracket.
12x100 and 12x142 thru axle and preferably use a round 27mm seat post.
I´m open to an integrated cockpit as long as I can pick "stem length" and width independently.
A choice of colours would be nice, but not first priority.
Very important to be are the build quality and the reliability.
It doesn´t have to be the absolute lightweight.
*32mm tire clearance is a must*.
I´ve seen Winspace C5 and T1550, but especially in the first case the largest size would be barely enough and the head tube is quite short with the C5 (165mm in size XL, in the T1550 is a bit longer) not necessarily a deal breaker but less-than-ideal.

I´m *NOT* interested to fakes and replicas.

Suggestions would be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

[Davidhe23]

Velobuild 177 is a good option

[AlexxRR]

Velobuild 177 is a good option

Thanks. At first glance it looks really interesting.

[Vince51]

Hello,

The Rinasclta Granite in L size looks perfect for your needs 
https://rinascltabike.com/product/granite-aero-disc-road-frame-with-bar/
The same by Airwolf is the YFR066

And with a 27.2mm seatpost and good reputation, there is the Carbonda 1136 (with longer steam for the reach)
https://carbonda.com/road/cfr-1136-sl.html

Regards

[AlexxRR]

Hello,

The Rinasclta Granite in L size looks perfect for your needs 
https://rinascltabike.com/product/granite-aero-disc-road-frame-with-bar/
The same by Airwolf is the YFR066

And with a 27.2mm seatpost and good reputation, there is the Carbonda 1136 (with longer steam for the reach)
https://carbonda.com/road/cfr-1136-sl.html

Regards

Thanks a lot.
They are all interesting.
Except for the silly name "Rinasclta".
"Rinascita" (with two "i"s) means "new birth" in Italian, but with the l it is unspeakable and looks much like a typo :-)

[Serge_K]

https://www.ltbikes.com/index/products/view/id/21.html

That's my bike, 11,000km and counting. I love it. It's fast, comfortable (32C at the back and a lot of seat post exposed, your mileage may vary, idk). Alisa is easy to deal with by email. in 58, stack 596, reach 401, head tube 180. Mine is M.
Clears 32C easily, my rear tyre measures over 34mm, and there's plenty of space.
I dont directly recommend it anymore, because there are newer frames out there, but then again, i havent seen anything that would make me want to upgrade.

Never heard of Rinasclta, agree the logo is atrocious, and airwolf is on my black list of frame sellers. Interesting frame though, wasn't aware of it.
Hadnt seen the Carbonda 1136 either. I just looked at https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4178.0.html. It looks aero like a tank and the frame looks like a gravel bike, yet it only clears 32C? Very weird.

The VB177 is about the same age, if not older than my frame, and whether you really clear 32C has been debated on the thread a lot.

A few months ago, i thought the speeder 55 was very interesting, but didn't check if the geometry matches exactly. Also, it costs more. But i think it looks nice, and presumably, it's made with fancier carbon, in a fancier way. Does it matter? Realistically, probably not. What i can say is i built 2 LTK268, both were flawless, especially when it comes to installing the BB. Can't say the same of Winow, for eg, (now also on my black list) and generally, even though i hate aligning disc brakes, working on these 2 268 always went smooth, for which i'm very grateful.

Most of my riding is on the flat, and the bike is very happy at 37-42kmh, more with a tail wind. Like it's nice, you feel your friends on slower rigs starting to struggle, while mine just slips through the air. It's not just the frame, it's the package, but i guess my point is
1. i dont ride on the flat at 25kmh, bike reviewers often say that aero bikes aren't meant to go slow, they feel nice when they go fast. I'm not a bike reviewer, idk,
2. it will not slow you down if you have the legs to ride at 40kmh
3. matt damon.
It's also very capable in the mountains, much nicer to ride than my supersix himod rim that weighs 6kg, i must sell that bike.

I really like that bike And it's cheap!

[AlexxRR]

https://www.ltbikes.com/index/products/view/id/21.html

That's my bike, 11,000km and counting. I love it. It's fast, comfortable (32C at the back and a lot of seat post exposed, your mileage may vary, idk). Alisa is easy to deal with by email. in 58, stack 596, reach 401, head tube 180. Mine is M.
Clears 32C easily, my rear tyre measures over 34mm, and there's plenty of space.
I dont directly recommend it anymore, because there are newer frames out there, but then again, i havent seen anything that would make me want to upgrade.

Never heard of Rinasclta, agree the logo is atrocious, and airwolf is on my black list of frame sellers. Interesting frame though, wasn't aware of it.
Hadnt seen the Carbonda 1136 either. I just looked at https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4178.0.html. It looks aero like a tank and the frame looks like a gravel bike, yet it only clears 32C? Very weird.

The VB177 is about the same age, if not older than my frame, and whether you really clear 32C has been debated on the thread a lot.

A few months ago, i thought the speeder 55 was very interesting, but didn't check if the geometry matches exactly. Also, it costs more. But i think it looks nice, and presumably, it's made with fancier carbon, in a fancier way. Does it matter? Realistically, probably not. What i can say is i built 2 LTK268, both were flawless, especially when it comes to installing the BB. Can't say the same of Winow, for eg, (now also on my black list) and generally, even though i hate aligning disc brakes, working on these 2 268 always went smooth, for which i'm very grateful.

Most of my riding is on the flat, and the bike is very happy at 37-42kmh, more with a tail wind. Like it's nice, you feel your friends on slower rigs starting to struggle, while mine just slips through the air. It's not just the frame, it's the package, but i guess my point is
1. i dont ride on the flat at 25kmh, bike reviewers often say that aero bikes aren't meant to go slow, they feel nice when they go fast. I'm not a bike reviewer, idk,
2. it will not slow you down if you have the legs to ride at 40kmh
3. matt damon.
It's also very capable in the mountains, much nicer to ride than my supersix himod rim that weighs 6kg, i must sell that bike.

I really like that bike And it's cheap!

thanks for all the info, I'll look into it.
the "TRACTOR" stickers are a nice touch :-)

[rasch]

As a reference I´d use the Canyon Ultimate.
Desired sizes: stack around 600 and reach around 400mm or something less, top tube some 580 to 600mm, head tube around 180mm.
The frameset should be compatible with DI2 and possibly have a BB86 bottom bracket.
12x100 and 12x142 thru axle and preferably use a round 27mm seat post.
I´m open to an integrated cockpit as long as I can pick "stem length" and width independently.
A choice of colours would be nice, but not first priority.
Very important to be are the build quality and the reliability.
It doesn´t have to be the absolute lightweight.
*32mm tire clearance is a must*.
I´ve seen Winspace C5 and T1550, but especially in the first case the largest size would be barely enough and the head tube is quite short with the C5 (165mm in size XL, in the T1550 is a bit longer) not necessarily a deal breaker but less-than-ideal.

I´m *NOT* interested to fakes and replicas.

Suggestions would be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Ultimate has almost the same geometry as lcr017 in size 58. I know coz I have one for myself. But if you want the higher stack u mean you need to look to another options or add spacers. I run 25mm and it's still good looking