XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset

[Icyseanfitz]

It doesn't need much tweaking to make the logo look good.
Still not sure on the revenger bit, but the main logo looks good when bolder and closer together.

These decals look amazing in comparison imo, especially the XMCS part, maybe have the secondary (revenger and gt) in a smaller font

One thing id keep in mind is that many people here love the customization potential of purchasing a Chinese frame/wheels, getting it exactly as they want it, I know for me it's a huge draw even if the cost is increased because of it, my advice is to try to cater to that as much as feasible.

[Jonnan_NOR]

I currently ride a non-branded velobuild. I could ride this frame with the XMCS logo though, but I would opt out the other decals on the chain stays and top tube.

[TravellerTravis]

I currently ride a non-branded velobuild. I could ride this frame with the XMCS logo though, but I would opt out the other decals on the chain stays and top tube.

I fully agree, I specifically chose this frame because I think the simple looks are superior to designs of many other chinese manufacturers like Winspace, Lightcarbon, Elves,  etc.. I'm okay with branding done right (e.g. seka) as long as it is somewhat minimal and not plastered all over (e.g. elves). However, the "Revenger" decal is enough to put me of this frame. I understand the desire for brand recognition but I think there has to be a solution inbetween the new design and the old approach. While I don't love the current XMCS font, I think the XMSC decal does look kind of cool, especially with the holographic design some people suggested here.. I hope you reconsider parts of this design and name, because the frame geometry is awesome.

[Jonnan_NOR]

I fully agree, I specifically chose this frame because I think the simple looks are superior to designs of many other chinese manufacturers like Winspace, Lightcarbon, Elves,  etc.. I'm okay with branding done right (e.g. seka) as long as it is somewhat minimal and not plastered all over (e.g. elves). However, the "Revenger" decal is enough to put me of this frame. I understand the desire for brand recognition but I think there has to be a solution inbetween the new design and the old approach. While I don't love the current XMCS font, I think the XMSC decal does look kind of cool, especially with the holographic design some people suggested here.. I hope you reconsider parts of this design and name, because the frame geometry is awesome.

I'm liking this mirror finish decal more and more.
Comparing the geometry to my VBR068 with my limited knowledge the XMCS seems to be the better option, also in 56. Im 185 with 88cm inseam.
I could use a bit shorter reach. I'm on a 90mm stem and also my toseek handlebar has 10mm more reach than normal I think. I have like 45mm of spacers.
I wish to build a disc brake bike before I invest in new wheels, but for 1500USD the frame better be real good I dont plan to use wider tires than 28 or 30mm.

[Lotnik]

I fully agree, I specifically chose this frame because I think the simple looks are superior to designs of many other chinese manufacturers like Winspace, Lightcarbon, Elves,  etc.. I'm okay with branding done right (e.g. seka) as long as it is somewhat minimal and not plastered all over (e.g. elves). However, the "Revenger" decal is enough to put me of this frame. I understand the desire for brand recognition but I think there has to be a solution inbetween the new design and the old approach. While I don't love the current XMCS font, I think the XMSC decal does look kind of cool, especially with the holographic design some people suggested here.. I hope you reconsider parts of this design and name, because the frame geometry is awesome.

You can customize paint and decals as you wish. It's OEM. It is mat black as default.

[voidptr]

Here's another issue I ran into with the frameset: some brake rotors can rub against the mounting points if they're not completely flat.
It took me quite a while to figure this out, since the brakes won't rub in the bike stand, but they do once you're actually riding.
The rubbing also doesn't happen all the time and it's more noticeable when putting power down, so I kept going back and forth between suspecting the brakes or the crankset as the cause.
If you're running flat disc rotors (e.g. Galfers), you should be fine.

[TravellerTravis]

You can customize paint and decals as you wish. It's OEM. It is mat black as default.

Earlier in this thread it was mentioned, that decals are mandatory for finished frames

[Dewa6975]

Here's another issue I ran into with the frameset: some brake rotors can rub against the mounting points if they're not completely flat.
It took me quite a while to figure this out, since the brakes won't rub in the bike stand, but they do once you're actually riding.
The rubbing also doesn't happen all the time and it's more noticeable when putting power down, so I kept going back and forth between suspecting the brakes or the crankset as the cause.
If you're running flat disc rotors (e.g. Galfers), you should be fine.

Do you know (by experience?) if Shimano 105 rotors would face this issue ?

[Bobinski]

What discs are you running?

[voidptr]

I've only used rotors from Chaser and Galfer.
If your disc rotor has a "spider" design that isn't perfectly flush with the brake area, it can cause rubbing.
It might also depend on other factors, like how much the rear chainstays can flex under load (weight, etc.).
The bolts on 6-bolt rotors could also be problematic, but honestly, I'm not even sure, if they would face in that direction (only ever used centerlock).

[rsw42]

Do you know (by experience?) if Shimano 105 rotors would face this issue ?

I mounted some Shimano Rotors - no issues whatsoever... even though they are also floating rotors...
It's definitely not 105 rotors!

[Dewa6975]

What discs are you running?

Stock disc Shimano 105 SLX SM-RT70 CENTER LOCK

[PeterXu]

Do you know (by experience?) if Shimano 105 rotors would face this issue ?

If you mount the rotor correctly flat, then no issue.

On current Gran Turismo frameset, we will remove all decals except the XMCS or CARBON SPEED on downtube for now. After we get our US trademark approved, we will figure out more western design.

We are designing 2026 road racing frameset as well, which would be released in April 2026 I think.

[Ludo]

I think carbon speed has potential from marketing point of view.
Personally for bike "naming" I like the F1 style approach, like PX (for the designer) GT (model) 25 (year), could be PX-25/GT

[Bobinski]

If you mount the rotor correctly flat, then no issue.

On current Gran Turismo frameset, we will remove all decals except the XMCS or CARBON SPEED on downtube for now. After we get our US trademark approved, we will figure out more western design.

We are designing 2026 road racing frameset as well, which would be released in April 2026 I think.

Hi Peter, While you are waiting can you provide mirror or some of the other decal finishes assuggested? See my post above for a pictorial example. Hopefully that wouldnt be too difficult or time consuming.