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Swatt

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #495 on: October 05, 2026, 03:05:01 AM »
anyone with feedback about vaporlite II rims?

36mm max width is a lot. especially seeing that the width at the interface with the tire is 30,6 mm.
I would have expected 1 to 2 mm more at the interface with the tire, given that the 36mm width is best suited to 32 to 35 mm tires.
 

Sander2177

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #496 on: October 05, 2026, 03:39:03 AM »
anyone with feedback about vaporlite II rims?

36mm max width is a lot. especially seeing that the width at the interface with the tire is 30,6 mm.
I would have expected 1 to 2 mm more at the interface with the tire, given that the 36mm width is best suited to 32 to 35 mm tires.


have a set of these, although I haven’t ridden them yet as my new SL9 build is taking so long to come together with the new paint and waiting for a few parts.

Personally, I think these rims are best suited to 30–32 mm tyres. I have a 30 mm tyre fitted on the front and it measures just over 32 mm on the rim. I don’t have a photo of the rear measurement, but from memory the 32 mm tyre also measured a little over its stated size.

You have to remember that the actual tyre width once fitted can be quite different from the labelled size, particularly on a wide internal rim. So despite the 36 mm maximum external width of the rim, I personally wouldn’t be looking to run 34 or 35 mm tyres on these wheels. 30–32 mm would be my choice.

Swatt

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #497 on: October 05, 2026, 03:55:09 AM »

have a set of these, although I haven’t ridden them yet as my new SL9 build is taking so long to come together with the new paint and waiting for a few parts.

Personally, I think these rims are best suited to 30–32 mm tyres. I have a 30 mm tyre fitted on the front and it measures just over 32 mm on the rim. I don’t have a photo of the rear measurement, but from memory the 32 mm tyre also measured a little over its stated size.

You have to remember that the actual tyre width once fitted can be quite different from the labelled size, particularly on a wide internal rim. So despite the 36 mm maximum external width of the rim, I personally wouldn’t be looking to run 34 or 35 mm tyres on these wheels. 30–32 mm would be my choice.

Agree, that is exactly what I tought.

I currently have LightBicycle AR45 rims, that are 30mm wide and 21mm internally. I installed a Michelin Pro 5 TLR (32mm nominal) expecting it to be around 32mm since 21mm inner width is kind of narrow by modern standards and that BicycleRollingResistance stated that the tires were true to size. They ended up measuring 34 mm.

I have now a QuickPro Er One and that tire measuring 34 mm in my opinion is very much on the limit. I measured 4 mm of clearance with the chainstays, so I put that in the front (plenty of room for a 35mm tire) and I put a 31 mm (WAM) tire in the back (Hutchinson Blackbird 30mm). At the rear, on the Er One, I would not go past 32 mm anyway. I prefer some extra clearance for any debris that might be picked up from the road.

Also, given the 30.6 mm hook-to-hook distance for the Vaporlite II rims, running a 30 to 32mm WAM tire is the only way to avoid creating a double bulb shape: one for the tire with respect to the hook-to-hook distance, the other one with the hook-to-hook distance and the widest point of the rim. That, I suppose, is not ideal in terms of aerodynamics.

Sander2177

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #498 on: October 05, 2026, 04:33:15 AM »
Agree, that is exactly what I tought.

I currently have LightBicycle AR45 rims, that are 30mm wide and 21mm internally. I installed a Michelin Pro 5 TLR (32mm nominal) expecting it to be around 32mm since 21mm inner width is kind of narrow by modern standards and that BicycleRollingResistance stated that the tires were true to size. They ended up measuring 34 mm.

I have now a QuickPro Er One and that tire measuring 34 mm in my opinion is very much on the limit. I measured 4 mm of clearance with the chainstays, so I put that in the front (plenty of room for a 35mm tire) and I put a 31 mm (WAM) tire in the back (Hutchinson Blackbird 30mm). At the rear, on the Er One, I would not go past 32 mm anyway. I prefer some extra clearance for any debris that might be picked up from the road.

Also, given the 30.6 mm hook-to-hook distance for the Vaporlite II rims, running a 30 to 32mm WAM tire is the only way to avoid creating a double bulb shape: one for the tire with respect to the hook-to-hook distance, the other one with the hook-to-hook distance and the widest point of the rim. That, I suppose, is not ideal in terms of aerodynamics.


Yes, I agree. I also have a Quick Pro ER One, so I know exactly what you mean regarding rear clearance.

I’ve actually tried a 34 mm tyre on a wheelset with a 26 mm internal width, and it measured around 36 mm WAM. It does fit the ER One, even with my 2x setup, but it’s definitely right on the limit. I put tape on the inside of the chainstays and did a ride to check for any contact, and there was no evidence of rubbing. Even so, personally I wouldn’t choose to run that size regularly. I prefer having some additional clearance for debris, wheel flex, etc.

For me, around 32–34 mm WAM is probably the sensible maximum at the rear of the ER One. 36 mm is getting extreme anyway — it’s still a road bike at the end of the day! 😆

Regarding the VaporLite II, I agree that a 30–32 mm WAM tyre makes the most sense. I have a set myself, although I haven’t ridden them yet because my new SL9 build is taking forever to get finished. From the tyres I’ve fitted, 30 and 32 mm nominal sizes seem to work very well with the rim profile.

I do look at tyre-to-rim transition, particularly on the front wheel, but personally I think people sometimes worry far too much about tiny aerodynamic differences. On the rear wheel especially, I doubt a very small difference in tyre/rim transition is going to make any meaningful difference for the vast majority of us. At WorldTour level, where they’re chasing every fraction of a watt, absolutely. For normal riders, even those racing, I think tyre choice, pressure, rolling resistance and having the clearance you’re comfortable with are far more important.

Depending on the wheelset, I generally run combinations such as 30/30, 30/32 or 32/32. I’m quite happy anywhere around that 30–34 mm actual-width range.

Swatt

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #499 on: October 05, 2026, 04:55:10 AM »

Yes, I agree. I also have a Quick Pro ER One, so I know exactly what you mean regarding rear clearance.

I’ve actually tried a 34 mm tyre on a wheelset with a 26 mm internal width, and it measured around 36 mm WAM. It does fit the ER One, even with my 2x setup, but it’s definitely right on the limit. I put tape on the inside of the chainstays and did a ride to check for any contact, and there was no evidence of rubbing. Even so, personally I wouldn’t choose to run that size regularly. I prefer having some additional clearance for debris, wheel flex, etc.

For me, around 32–34 mm WAM is probably the sensible maximum at the rear of the ER One. 36 mm is getting extreme anyway — it’s still a road bike at the end of the day! 😆

Regarding the VaporLite II, I agree that a 30–32 mm WAM tyre makes the most sense. I have a set myself, although I haven’t ridden them yet because my new SL9 build is taking forever to get finished. From the tyres I’ve fitted, 30 and 32 mm nominal sizes seem to work very well with the rim profile.

I do look at tyre-to-rim transition, particularly on the front wheel, but personally I think people sometimes worry far too much about tiny aerodynamic differences. On the rear wheel especially, I doubt a very small difference in tyre/rim transition is going to make any meaningful difference for the vast majority of us. At WorldTour level, where they’re chasing every fraction of a watt, absolutely. For normal riders, even those racing, I think tyre choice, pressure, rolling resistance and having the clearance you’re comfortable with are far more important.

Depending on the wheelset, I generally run combinations such as 30/30, 30/32 or 32/32. I’m quite happy anywhere around that 30–34 mm actual-width range.

Now the question is whether the 36mm width of the rim is too much for the chainstays of the ER One. I don't think so, because the maximum rim width is not at the hook.

Sander2177

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #500 on: October 05, 2026, 11:16:09 AM »
Now the question is whether the 36mm width of the rim is too much for the chainstays of the ER One. I don't think so, because the maximum rim width is not at the hook.

Well there going on my SL9 and that’s a 32c bike I think it will be ok myself

gbrnole

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #501 on: October 05, 2026, 02:11:01 PM »
Now the question is whether the 36mm width of the rim is too much for the chainstays of the ER One. I don't think so, because the maximum rim width is not at the hook.

i don't think there's any benefit to running a Vapor Lite II 60mm rear. I'd be more inclined to run the 32.4mm external / 25mm internal rims that Zen has in the 55mm to 65mm range depending on the look and snappiness you want. my personal preference would be 60F / 65R since these wheels can be built so light.

Serge_K

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #502 on: October 06, 2026, 08:30:56 AM »
Saw on Insta
Rim Inner Width 32mm
Tire Size Range 35C-70C


at 35C, the rim is not ETRTO compliant. How do we know it's safe?

ZenCarbonBike

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #503 on: October 09, 2026, 04:11:29 AM »
Hello Everyone

Just a small update

We can now offer DT Swiss hubs for carbon spoke wheel builds.
These hubs are compatible with carbon spokes up to 4.0mm and provide another option for riders who prefer the DT Swiss brand.

DT Swiss Carbon Spoke Hub Options

DT350


20/24 hole
Round-head spoke interface
Weight: 396g
36T Ratchet System

DT240


24/24 hole
T-head spoke interface
Weight: 328g
36T Ratchet System

DT180


24/24 hole
T-head spoke interface
Weight: 297g
36T Ratchet System

A 54T ratchet upgrade is also available.

We're currently building a carbon spoke wheelset using the DT350, and we'll post some photos once the build is complete.

If you're interested in a DT Swiss carbon spoke build, please get in touch and we'll be happy to discuss the available options.

Serge_K

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #504 on: October 09, 2026, 07:05:50 AM »
Saw on Insta
Rim Inner Width 32mm
Tire Size Range 35C-70C


at 35C, the rim is not ETRTO compliant. How do we know it's safe?

@ZenCarbonBike, please comment.

Theolean

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #505 on: October 09, 2026, 10:55:06 AM »
Hey, I noticed with my last two builds that the rim tape of Zen is not best and leaks a lot of air. If you double it is better. Before I used Rockbros and didn't had any problems.

Has anyone experienced the same?

ZenCarbonBike

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #506 on: October 09, 2026, 10:58:27 AM »
@ZenCarbonBike, please comment.


Hello

It’s simply a mistake in the published specifications. The 35C minimum tyre width is incorrect for this rim.

For a 32mm internal rim, we would recommend a provisional tyre range of 45–70C,

ZenCarbonBike

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #507 on: October 09, 2026, 11:01:09 AM »
Hey, I noticed with my last two builds that the rim tape of Zen is not best and leaks a lot of air. If you double it is better. Before I used Rockbros and didn't had any problems.

Has anyone experienced the same?

Hi,

We’ve not received any complaints regarding our rim tape or issues with air leakage.

Assuming the rim tape is installed correctly, with the appropriate width, sufficient overlap and a good seal around the valve, there shouldn’t normally be a need to double-wrap it.

It’s also worth mentioning that we offer some rim profiles without spoke access holes in the rim bed, eliminating the need for conventional tubeless rim tape to seal those holes.

Best regards

Serge_K

Re: Zen Carbon Wheels Xiamen
« Reply #508 on: Today at 10:54:30 AM »

Hello

It’s simply a mistake in the published specifications. The 35C minimum tyre width is incorrect for this rim.

For a 32mm internal rim, we would recommend a provisional tyre range of 45–70C,

https://zencarbonbike.com/product/gravel/
This shows 35C upwards.
It sounds to me like you're ignoring ETRTO standards by design, not by mistake. Have you done testing that makes you say that a 32mm internal rim is safe with a 35C tyre? i dont actually care about ETRTO, i think they're incompetent, but i do worry about the safety of 35C tyres on 32mm inner width rims.