Aero gravel - The pursuit

[tgarne]

I know there have been a lot of threads like theese, however it seems like the western brands are going this way.
In the past few weeks we have seen some new launches of full on aero gravelbikes - Like the Cervelo Aspero 5, Orbea Terra Speed, Willier Rave

Winspace and Seka are also going that way with their release of G3 and Exaero GR, but they are kinda wannabe western brands

But when are we seeing some of "our kinda" chienese manufactures going that way?

Currently i am only aware of the velobuild, but that is only aeroish. I might end up with the Seka Exaero GR, but 3.000 USD is a lot.

[kbernstein]

I think the grevil clones are probably quite aero. Doesn't look like the original was heavily marketed so no windtunnel data, but maybe it is quite aero despite being considered relaxed?

[meysow]

The Grevil geo is quite relaxed, but that can be mitigated with a slammed or longer stem. The bike still looks aero, and based on the reviews I've read, it feels aero too. That said, I couldn't find any data to confirm or disprove this point.

As for the Seka, they have a solid reputation, and their frames look pretty nice. The quality seems to be there, and their QC and after-sales service are reportedly good too. But I have to admit, 3K€ is quite a lot. You can get a Grevil clone from Peter (XMCarbonspeed) for less than a quarter of the price, with the reassurance that QC and after-sales support will be good as well (per the lots of good reviews of XMC on this forum). I mean, for 3.3K€, you can even get a real Pinarello Grevil F9 frame — so why choose Seka over a Western brand if the prices are the same?

[Requiem84]

The Grevil has terrible geometry for a modern day Gravel bike. BB drop of 67mm you don’t see on modern road frames. For gravel 75mm is the standard today.

Tire clearance also is an issue with this frame.

Proper aero gravel frames would be more in the direction of the Ridley Astr (/Velobuild clone).

[tgarne]

Ive been looking on Peters Grevil. The geo does not fit me very well sadly

[kbernstein]

The Grevil has terrible geometry for a modern day Gravel bike. BB drop of 67mm you don’t see on modern road frames. For gravel 75mm is the standard today.

Tire clearance also is an issue with this frame.

Proper aero gravel frames would be more in the direction of the Ridley Astr (/Velobuild clone).

I have great news.

Peter's clone has 72mm BB drop on all sizes (original grevil has 72 only on the smallest sizes)
And it has better clearance than the Ridley Astr in 2x (50mm vs 47mm)
https://xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1639

[hershfeld]

I did really like the light carbon frame at eurobike, can't remember the model name, I think I've got a flyer at home.

Dunno about how aero it really is, due to the downtube being somewhat triangle-shaped but with the pointy side toward the bottom.
It's a bit restricted on the tyre size (38mm) but the finish and look was quite nice.

Pricing was roughly  $600 + up to $150 for the paint job, if I remember correctly.

sure you've seen it on tracevelo's eurobike walk through.


Also I just splurged on a Quick Pro GR:ONE , hope to build it up soon:
https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,6174.msg84824.html#msg84824

[kbernstein]

I found it stunning too, but if we're being honest 38mm being even considered "gravel" is just a disgrace. It's flat out not. Call it what it is, a road bike. 38mm could pass as gravel 10 years ago if we're being generous, but today that's just lying

[Requiem84]

I have great news.

Peter's clone has 72mm BB drop on all sizes (original grevil has 72 only on the smallest sizes)
And it has better clearance than the Ridley Astr in 2x (50mm vs 47mm)
https://xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1639

There you go, the copy is already better than the original.

Zero reason to pay 3300 for a real Pina Grevil frame. You’re better of with the XMSC version.

[jfcb]

I found it stunning too, but if we're being honest 38mm being even considered "gravel" is just a disgrace. It's flat out not. Call it what it is, a road bike. 38mm could pass as gravel 10 years ago if we're being generous, but today that's just lying

I remember last year they had the CG072 prototype. I guess they converted the frame to the LCR018 and saw a bigger market in allroad bikes rather than extending their gravel portfolio. https://chinertown.com/index.php?topic=5051.0

[kbernstein]

It's marketed as endurance all road, not gravel.

Fair enough, the company does but I keep seeing it referred to as a gravel bike on forums and youtube

There you go, the copy is already better than the original.

Zero reason to pay 3300 for a real Pina Grevil frame. You’re better of with the XMSC version.

Sometimes not being a mindless 1:1 clone is great. I wonder how much the fork mounting bolts cost in aerodynamics and if we can ask to not have them, since the original doesn't. I would much rather have mudguard mounts if anything

I'm currently torn between that and the tideace for my next build. They're so different but both appealing