Seller seems to be very close to me, from what i've seen he sells chinese OEM frames with custom painting as fully built bikes, no idea on pricing. Might be worth it to go there and check out the 368 in person if he has a shop.
recently ordered one. The final price in Italy, painted and with a 5-year warranty, is around €2,000. I bought this aerodynamic bike to use only in circuit races, in a “super-aero” setup (aero bottles, 65 mm wheels, aero helmet, aero chainring, Koegel pulley wheels for time trials). I can send photos in January when it’s ready and fully assembled.
In the meantime, a whole new world opened up for me: I pushed ChatGPT and Gemini hard to figure out where the frame actually comes from. I knew it was Chinese, but I didn’t know from where. That’s how I discovered Veloplus and this forum.
Unfortunately, not great news for me. The seller claimed: “100% Toray 1100S” and 925 grams in size M. So I thought: hey, maybe it uses the same mold but is made in another factory with “higher-grade carbon.” But after further research, it seems that was just an illusion. Most likely he buys it from Veloplus, repaints it, and resells it.
Which is actually fine — custom paint, assembly, warranty, local support in Italy — all good. But lying so much about the carbon quality and the frame weight is not a good move.
When I pick up the frame, I’ll talk to him calmly about it. Then I'll forget this unpleasant story and focus on pushing this "beast" as hard as possible
