Author Topic: DFS Carbon Wheels  (Read 31026 times)

Sander2177

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2026, 09:59:45 AM »
Hey, i got the following data from +86 188 5000 7287 via whatsapp.
R280 (285g) Basic Model  with Pillar 1420 and XL RIM for only $ 449 Seems great value, competing with the real budget brands, but I see little info about the R280 and R240 hubs. Anyone that can give more info?

#hubrim depthXL RIM Sapim cx-ray Weight (±30g)UXL RIM Sapim cx-ray Weight (±30g)XL RIM 1423 spoke Weight (±30g)
1R280 (285g)301235.41105.41340.4
2R280 (285g)3512551120.41360
3R280 (285g)40129511501400
4R280 (285g)45132511701430
5R280 (285g)50136511901470
6R280 (285g)55144512401550
7R280 (285g)60149512901600
8R280 (285g)65152013501625
9R240 (240g)301190.41060.4
10R240 (240g)3512101075.4
11R240 (240g)4012501105
12R240 (240g)4512801125
13R240 (240g)5013201145
14R240 (240g)5514001195
15R240 (240g)6014501245
16R240 (240g)6514751305
17R1 (275g)301220.41090.4
18R1 (275g)3512401105.4
19R1 (275g)4012801135
20R1 (275g)4513101155
21R1 (275g)5013501175
22R1 (275g)5514301225
23R1 (275g)6014801275
24R1 (275g)6515051335
25R2 (285g)301230.41100.4
26R2 (285g)3512501115.4
27R2 (285g)4012901145
28R2 (285g)4513201165
29R2 (285g)5013601185
30R2 (285g)5514401235
31R2 (285g)6014901285
32R2 (285g)6515151345

#HUbSpokesRimPRICE $Freight
1R280 (285g) Basic ModelPillar 1423XL RIM399To USA and Europe $105 included tax others contact me
2R280 (285g) Basic ModelPillar 1420XL RIM449To USA and Europe $105 included tax others contact me
3R280 (285g) Basic ModelSapim cx-rayXL RIM489To USA and Europe $105 included tax others contact me
4R280 (285g) Basic ModelSapim cx-rayUXL RIM569To USA and Europe $105 included tax others contact me
5R1(275g)Sapim cx-rayXL RIM599To USA and Europe $105 included tax others contact me
6R1(275g)Sapim cx-rayUXL RIM679To USA and Europe $105 included tax others contact me
7R240 (240g)Sapim cx-rayXL RIM649To USA and Europe $105 included tax others contact me
8R240 (240g)Sapim cx-rayUXL RIM729To USA and Europe $105 included tax others contact me
9R2 (285g) Premium ModelSapim cx-rayXL RIM769To USA and Europe $105 included tax others contact me
10R2 (285g) Premium ModelSapim cx-rayUXL RIM849To USA and Europe $105 included tax others contact me






What do you want to know. Another genric 20/20 spoke carbon hub 235g DT Swiss style ratchet

Sakizashi

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2026, 10:27:31 AM »
I've been trying to understand wheels and hubs, and spent some time with Angler discussing some of the updates to the R2 hub. Here is my take on their hub portfolio:

R280/R290 hub: entry-level hub similar to H works or generic hubs that look similar, made primarily from 6061 aluminum, smaller bearings, uses the 36t, 54t generic, 2-piece, 2 spring ratchets. Preload is DT Swiss style: requires enough tension via the thru axle.

R240: An R280 they machined the heck out of to reduce weight. Same materials, same bearings. Preload is DT Swiss style: and requires enough tension via the thru axle.

R1: Entry-ish level hub, but larger flanges on differential between DS and NDS, larger bearings, and AL7075 with a unique 60t ratchet. The point of this change is to provide more equal spoke tension, which should result in a wheel that is both easier to true and more likely to stay true. I believe the current R1 dimensions are similar to those of the previous-gen R2. This is probably a hub similar in quality and build to what you would expect from a major brand's mid-range carbon wheelset. Similar price to the R240. Preload is DT Swiss style, and requires enough tension via the thru axle.

R2: Performance hub. Angler considers this to be DFS's highest-performance hub. These are apparently designed to offer near equal spoke tensions with symmetric rims, so much so that asymmetric rims shouldn't be used. Larger bearing size, different ratchet system, and manually adjustable preload. This is probably the hub to get if you do a lot of miles and want the most reliable hub. IMO these are probably as good as what you see on the flagship wheels raced in the WT. Yes the spoke counts are higher, but that's one of the tradeoffs for paying sub-DT Swiss 350 prices for a hub this nice.

My R3 hubs have been very reliable, and in retrospect, I recognize that I probably should have been less of a weight weenie and bought the R2 hubs. If you are using carbon spokes or another internal spoke arrangement, the geometry of the R2 hub should result in a more reliable wheel over time. Less time on the trueing stand. More time riding. If you can afford it, its probably worth paying up for the R2.

NWA-Tri

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2026, 12:44:28 PM »
I’ve just been speaking to Angler at DFS Wheels. He’s asking me (persistently) for payment, based upon an email conversation. So whilst we’ve discussed my requirements, he’s not quite confirmed what I’m paying for. Just checking that was everyone’s experience and to ensure that I’m not getting scammed.

Sander2177

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2026, 03:46:01 PM »
I’ve just been speaking to Angler at DFS Wheels. He’s asking me (persistently) for payment, based upon an email conversation. So whilst we’ve discussed my requirements, he’s not quite confirmed what I’m paying for. Just checking that was everyone’s experience and to ensure that I’m not getting scammed.


Get Him to confirm on DM
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Evaso_CC

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2026, 01:10:01 AM »
I’ve just been speaking to Angler at DFS Wheels. He’s asking me (persistently) for payment, based upon an email conversation. So whilst we’ve discussed my requirements, he’s not quite confirmed what I’m paying for. Just checking that was everyone’s experience and to ensure that I’m not getting scammed.

It’s not a free advice service  ;D
and they are no doubt dealing with hundreds of similar conversations at the same time. You’ll find a similar approach from all direct to consumer Chinese brands.


fomjl

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2026, 04:24:09 PM »
FWIW ordered a set of wheels and paid via bank tfr on 14th April - received today exactly as described. All correspondence via WhatsApp. He’s legit.

Sander2177

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2026, 07:20:34 AM »
DFS Ghost Evo 50/55 moulded spoke-hole wheelset
A few months ago DFS sent me a set of their newer Ghost Evo moulded spoke-hole wheels to test. I went with the 50 mm front / 55 mm rear configuration, using the 3.2 mm bladed carbon spokes with hidden nipples.

When I was originally speaking to DFS about sending out a set of wheels there was no 60 mm option available, which is why I chose the 50/55 combination. Ironically, shortly after these arrived DFS released a 60 mm version, and having been impressed with this first set I ended up ordering a 60/60 wheelset myself. That gives me a useful opportunity to compare not only the different depths but also the 24-spoke rear on this set against the 20-spoke rear on the new wheels.

The wheelset uses DFS's moulded spoke-hole construction with hidden nipples and carbon spokes weighing approximately 2.1 g each including the nipple. The hubset is quoted at approximately 235 g and my wheels came fitted with TPI ceramic bearings.

Yes, there are other OEMs selling what appears to be the same rim platform including Nextie, Light Bicycle, XYZ and Zen. From what I've been told, the factory producing these rims is run by a former Light Bicycle employee.

The Ghost Evo reviewed here uses the lighter 110 kg rider/system weight limit rims:

Front Rim (50 mm)

Weight: 335 g
Impact Rating: 105 J
Quoted Internal Width: 25.0 mm
Quoted External Width: 30.94 mm
Measured Internal Width: 25.45 mm
Measured External Width: 31.96 mm
Asymmetry: None

Rear Rim (55 mm)

Weight: 355 g
Impact Rating: 100 J
Quoted Internal Width: 25.0 mm
Quoted External Width: 31.4 mm
Measured Internal Width: 25.45 mm
Measured External Width: 32.4 mm
Asymmetry: 2 mm

Wheelset Specification

DFS Ghost Evo
110 kg rider/system weight limit version
20 front / 24 rear spokes
3.2 mm bladed carbon spokes with hidden nipples
Approx. 2.1 g per spoke including nipple
DFS hubset
Approx. 235 g hub weight
TPI ceramic bearings
UD paint-free matte, no logos
Quoted wheelset weight: 1,027 g

130 kg Version Also Available

Front rim: 365 g, 120 J impact rating
Rear rim: 365 g, 115 J impact rating

Tyre Setup

Continental GP5000 with tubes
30 mm front tyre measuring 32.1 mm
32 mm rear tyre measuring 33.1 mm
Typical pressures: 52 psi front / 56 psi rear

I don't think the slightly larger tyre-to-rim transition at the rear is particularly important for me. I'd rather have the additional comfort of the larger rear tyre.

I wasn't completely sure what I was going to think of the moulded spoke-hole design before they arrived, particularly the moulded spoke areas themselves, but in person I actually quite like them. The hidden nipples make the wheels look exceptionally clean.

My only minor gripe aesthetically is the moulded spoke-hole area itself. Because the spoke bed protrudes slightly, if you're really throwing the bike around out of the saddle you can occasionally hear a little noise from the wheel. It isn't a loose nipple rattling around inside the rim. One of the advantages of this construction is that there isn't anything loose inside, and it hasn't caused any actual issue so its not a deal breaker i will probably use some clear silicone

I've now done roughly 600 km on them, yes not mega mile but enough to get a feel for the wheels

One thing people always seem to do with very lightweight rims is the highly scientific "Mickey Mouse test" 😂 and squeeze the sidewalls with their fingers.

These are actually surprisingly solid when you do that. Obviously squeezing a rim tells you very little about how a tensioned wheel behaves under riding loads, but they certainly don't feel paper-thin.

There is also a lot of marketing around T800, T1000 and T1100 carbon. Personally, I wouldn't get too hung up on that. A rim being advertised as T1000 doesn't mean the entire rim is made from T1000 fibre. Higher modulus material may only be used selectively in key reinforcement areas while the majority of the lay-up remains something like T800. As I understand it, these rims are primarily T800.

I was quite apprehensive when the first genuinely sub-1,000 g wheelsets started appearing. When 9velo released theirs last year at around 999g, naturally there were questions about rider limits, durability and how far manufacturers could realistically push rim weights.

That's partly why I wanted to put some actual kilometres into this type of wheel rather than simply admire a scale reading.

The other question people understandably have with these ultra-light wheels and relatively narrow carbon spokes is stiffness. I am 78/80kgs

So far I've had absolutely no issues.

When riding them hard I've experienced, and particularly up any inclines

No tyre rub
No rim contact with the stays
No brake-related issues
No noticeable unwanted lateral flex

The rear wheel on this set uses 24 spokes, which may contribute, but based on my experience so far I still think a properly built 20/20 version would be absolutely fine for me.

One other thing worth mentioning is the slight undulation visible between the spoke areas. Someone commented on a Facebook photo asking whether it was "ripple".

Very lightweight rims can sometimes show slight visual waviness around high-tension areas because there simply isn't the same quantity of material as you would find in a conventional 450-500 g rim. On these wheels there is a subtle shape between the moulded spoke sections which becomes more obvious under certain lighting almost an undlating profile

The ceramic bearings are probably the part I'm least excited about. Personally I've never been a huge fan of lower-cost ceramic bearings, as I've generally found a good quality steel bearing offers better long-term durability. Bearings are consumable though, and I certainly wouldn't buy or dismiss a wheelset purely because it came fitted with ceramics.

And then there is the name: DFS. 😂

Unfortunately, for anyone in the UK, every photo posted online immediately attracts comments about sofas, Christmas sales and "DFS Sale Now On". There's absolutely no escaping it.

But putting the name aside, I've genuinely been impressed by these wheels.

In fact, after the first couple of hundred kilometres I liked them enough that I ordered another set myself, this time 60 mm front and rear with 20 spokes front and rear.

Those were estimated at 1,049 g in UD paint-free matte. DFS sent me photos recently and the finished wheelset came out at 1,052 g, only 3 g above the quoted figure.

That should make an interesting comparison because the construction is fundamentally the same, but I'll be able to see whether going from a 24-spoke rear on this set to a 20-spoke rear makes any meaningful difference to how the wheel behaves under load.

So, around 600 km in, my overall experience has been very positive. They're exceptionally light, the 25 mm internal width works brilliantly with modern 30-32 mm tyres, they've stayed straight, I've had no stiffness concerns whatsoever, and so far there's nothing mechanically that would stop me recommending people at least consider this style of wheel.

Obviously 600 km isn't a long-term durability test, so I'll keep putting miles into them and update the thread again later.

And once the 60/60 20-spoke set arrives, I'll put the two back-to-back and see whether I can actually feel any difference, rather than simply inventing one because the spoke count changed. 😂

gaisdergerman

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2026, 04:02:16 AM »
I have purchased multiple products from Angler (DFS) including carbon rims and hubs.

My latest issue concerns spoke lengths. Because the rims and hubs were purchased from the same supplier, I specifically asked them to provide the correct spoke lengths for the wheel build. They advised 260 mm and 278 mm, and I ordered the spokes based on that recommendation.

During the wheel build it became clear that the recommended spoke lengths were incorrect. Even with the nipples fully threaded, the spokes remained too loose to achieve proper tension. I measured the spokes to confirm they were the lengths ordered and also verified the dimensions using an independent spoke calculator, which indicated substantially different spoke lengths.

Unfortunately, rather than reviewing the calculation and taking responsibility for the recommendation, the suggested solution was simply to purchase different spokes or nipples at my own expense.

What makes this more disappointing is that this is not the first issue I have experienced. With a previous wheelset, the rim decals were noticeably different in size. Initially I was told this was not possible. After providing photographs, the issue was acknowledged, but no solution was offered.

The products themselves may be good value, but based on my experience, customer support becomes difficult when a problem is identified. In both cases, the issue was eventually acknowledged, but I was left to deal with the consequences myself.

As a customer, I expect not only good products but also support when mistakes happen. Unfortunately, that has not been my experience.

agarabaghi

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #53 on: October 10, 2026, 06:53:17 PM »
Ive got the ghost evo 50mm with silver hubs. sub 1000g. great wheels. prefer them over my 353 nsw

Sander2177

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2026, 01:52:26 AM »
Ive got the ghost evo 50mm with silver hubs. sub 1000g. great wheels. prefer them over my 353 nsw

I also have the Ghost EVOs. 👍

I was sent a set of 50/55mm wheels (1038g, 20/24 spokes) by Angker at DFS a few months back for testing and review, with hidden spoke nipples.

After just one weekend of riding them, I was impressed enough to order myself a set of 60/60s! 😁

I would have gone for the 60/60s initially, but unfortunately, they didn’t have a 60mm rim available at the time. :(

The 50/55s are actually the lightest wheelset I’ve owned to date, and I’m always a little sceptical of these uber-light wheels. However, I found them plenty stiff enough for my riding, with no noticeable issues whatsoever.

Personally, I don’t think I really need 24 spokes in the rear, but that’s how the 55mm rim comes pre-moulded, so it is what it is!

Anyway, my new 60/60s arrived on Monday this week! :D

Unfortunately, I haven’t even had a chance to try them yet, as I’ve been ill since returning from holiday. 🤒 Bloody annoying, especially as any decent cycling weather is disappearing fast here in the UK!

agarabaghi

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2026, 04:54:03 AM »
one thing i like about the DFS over other ultralights i had, is the full captive spoke hole. Another brand i had the half captive broke off.

Sander2177

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2026, 08:30:08 AM »
one thing i like about the DFS over other ultralights i had, is the full captive spoke hole. Another brand i had the half captive broke off.


I have not seen any Ultralight wheels myself with the non captive hubs
All the ones I have had have all been captive

Miko55

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2026, 10:07:19 AM »
What would be advantages/disadvantages of DFS wheels compared to Farsports EVO S5 for example? Other then lower weight as advantage and smaller max. rider weight as disadvantage.

I am currently thinking about either DFS or Farsports, DFS for weight and Farsports for looks :D

Sander2177

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #58 on: Today at 02:40:24 AM »
What would be advantages/disadvantages of DFS wheels compared to Farsports EVO S5 for example? Other then lower weight as advantage and smaller max. rider weight as disadvantage.

I am currently thinking about either DFS or Farsports, DFS for weight and Farsports for looks :D


DFS vs Elite Wheels – My Thoughts

DFS wheels are generally lighter and considerably cheaper than Elite Wheels.

The potential disadvantage with DFS is their after-sales support network, which may not be as established as Elite’s. However, I’ve personally owned four sets of DFS wheels and luckily haven’t had a single issue.

Another advantage with DFS is that they offer multiple rim layups designed around different rider weight limits. Even some of their more reinforced layups can still produce a lighter wheelset than comparable Elite models.

Elite Wheels, on the other hand, is a more established brand, and you’d naturally expect a more developed after-sales support network.

At the prices Elite charge, I’d certainly expect any warranty or product issues to be handled efficiently and without unnecessary hassle. That’s part of what you’re paying a premium for.

However, we all know that paying more for an established brand doesn’t automatically guarantee a trouble-free experience. You only have to look around cycling forums to see people battling with well-known premium brands when something goes wrong.

Elite wheels are generally heavier and considerably more expensive than comparable DFS options. In my opinion, you’re largely paying extra for the brand’s reputation, established support network and perceived peace of mind.

Elite have also introduced their own hub and ratchet system, which is interesting, but I do wonder whether there’s really a need to reinvent the wheel. 😂

The DT Swiss-style star ratchet system has been around for years, is widely used in various forms across the industry and has proven itself to be reliable. Sometimes there’s something to be said for sticking with a tried-and-tested design.

Would I like to try Elite Wheels? Absolutely!

But personally, not at their current prices. There are simply too many other excellent wheelsets available from competing manufacturers at considerably more competitive prices.

I’ve had four sets of DFS wheels myself, and my experience so far has been positive. That doesn’t mean everyone will have the same experience, and I can’t personally comment on how DFS would handle a warranty claim because I’ve never needed to make one.

Maybe I’ll give Elite a go in the future. Who knows? 😂

Ultimately, everyone has different priorities. Some people are happy to pay more for an established brand and the reassurance that comes with it. Others, like myself, are more interested in the actual product, its specifications, performance and value for money.

eins4eins

Re: DFS Carbon Wheels
« Reply #59 on: Today at 02:58:49 AM »

DFS vs Elite Wheels – My Thoughts

DFS wheels are generally lighter and considerably cheaper than Elite Wheels.

The potential disadvantage with DFS is their after-sales support network, which may not be as established as Elite’s. However, I’ve personally owned four sets of DFS wheels and luckily haven’t had a single issue.

Another advantage with DFS is that they offer multiple rim layups designed around different rider weight limits. Even some of their more reinforced layups can still produce a lighter wheelset than comparable Elite models.

Elite Wheels, on the other hand, is a more established brand, and you’d naturally expect a more developed after-sales support network.

At the prices Elite charge, I’d certainly expect any warranty or product issues to be handled efficiently and without unnecessary hassle. That’s part of what you’re paying a premium for.

However, we all know that paying more for an established brand doesn’t automatically guarantee a trouble-free experience. You only have to look around cycling forums to see people battling with well-known premium brands when something goes wrong.

Elite wheels are generally heavier and considerably more expensive than comparable DFS options. In my opinion, you’re largely paying extra for the brand’s reputation, established support network and perceived peace of mind.

Elite have also introduced their own hub and ratchet system, which is interesting, but I do wonder whether there’s really a need to reinvent the wheel. 😂

The DT Swiss-style star ratchet system has been around for years, is widely used in various forms across the industry and has proven itself to be reliable. Sometimes there’s something to be said for sticking with a tried-and-tested design.

Would I like to try Elite Wheels? Absolutely!

But personally, not at their current prices. There are simply too many other excellent wheelsets available from competing manufacturers at considerably more competitive prices.

I’ve had four sets of DFS wheels myself, and my experience so far has been positive. That doesn’t mean everyone will have the same experience, and I can’t personally comment on how DFS would handle a warranty claim because I’ve never needed to make one.

Maybe I’ll give Elite a go in the future. Who knows? 😂

Ultimately, everyone has different priorities. Some people are happy to pay more for an established brand and the reassurance that comes with it. Others, like myself, are more interested in the actual product, its specifications, performance and value for money.

You post a lot about wheels and seem to own many different sets. Do they get any significant mileage before you share those experiences?