Author Topic: T1100 and M40X Use in Rims and Frames  (Read 5196 times)

Matthew

T1100 and M40X Use in Rims and Frames
« on: April 11, 2026, 01:25:29 PM »
Anyone know the benefits or drawbacks of using such a mix of materials in Frames (XLAB AD9) and Rims (8lien Aether).

Seems interesting that only a few are stating they use this and is that down to application or cost of materials.

bastianb

Re: T1100 and M40X Use in Rims and Frames
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2026, 01:56:05 PM »
Well it is a different kind of things. On one hand, if you use such a stuff and high Performance fiber, you will destroy it by forcing it into too tight and small radii. So you have design the geometry or layup for the specific design. The different typesof fabric like UD, Woven in different forms have their own properties. A woven fabric is great for using around threads and stuff because it gives these areas stiffness. So everything is a compromise and maybe by using it in a laminate setup you can save some grams, improve stiffness or reliability. Fibers with a higher elastic modulus are great for weight saving but maybe result in a harsher ride. Very tight woven fibers will also result in a harsher ride or more stiffness. Using this high performance fibers will give you weight saving, a direct and stiff frame. But yes it is more expensive.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2026, 01:59:19 PM by bastianb »

Matthew

Re: T1100 and M40X Use in Rims and Frames
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2026, 01:22:10 AM »
Thanks.

It peeked my interest when I noticed a couple of manufacturers listing this.  However with 8Lien seeing the flex in this video I am unsure as to whether it assists in a wheel.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DW8beI_jdiP/

Not sure if this is the same as a non T1100 M40X wheel and something you have to live with when pushing wheels circa 1000g.

bastianb

Re: T1100 and M40X Use in Rims and Frames
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2026, 01:46:24 AM »
Ah this lateral flex is something i noticed with my Bitranz 65mm carbon spokes wheels too. I think its mainly due to using only 20 spokes or less. But yes, thinner side walls in the rim profile because you use less material with better performance lead to a smaller area moment of inertia and the geometry stiffness, which is represented by the multiplication of the Young modulus (200GPa for normal carbon fibers, but 350 to 380 on high performance carbon fibers) with the area moment of inertia.

This means if you use less layers of carbon, the layup of unidirectional fibers is also resulting in less fibers oriented for lateral stiffness. I attached a drawing for the directions of layup, that everone knows which directions i talk about. Against lateral deflection the layup needs to have a good amount of fibers oriented in some degree like + and - 30 degrees. When you only use 0 and 90 degrees on the side walls of the profile you get a great load path for pottholes and impacts, because the 90 degree fibers take a lot of force and the 0 degree would act more like a bond for holding it together around the wheel.

But as i said, using less and less spokes is also a big factor because the spokes absorb the force in the end by reduced tension on the side bended towards and a higher tension in the spokes against the bending. and if the distance between the spokes becomes greater the more leverage is there what you can deform.