New ICAN A54 AERO FRAME with 35 mm clearance

[Tpower59]

Did anyone heard about this model ?
Webpage seems to be online only since August 10
https://www.icanbikes.com/Products-list/racing-aero-full-carbon-road-frameset-udh-ican-a54/#
- 35 mm clearance
- UDH
- T47 BB
- FSA ACR 1.5" headset


Geometry :

SIZE	TTL	STL	STA	HTL	HTA	RC	BBH	FL	FR	FC	REACH	STACK	WB
XS	531	447.8	74.5°	100	71°	415	70	374	45	571	388	511	991.2
S	541	497.8	74°	120	72°	415	70	374	45	581	389	527	994.2
M	551.3	517.8	73.5°	140	72.5°	415	70	374	45	591.1	389	548	995.9
L	561	537.8	73°	160	73°	415	70	374	45	601.1	394.5	568	1003.2
XL	571	550.8	72.5°	180	73.5°	415	70	374	45	610	400	589	1011.9

[Ultramic]

Depending on the price, this looks like a good alternative to the lcr020.

[yappy]

XS size REACH 388mm!?!? too insane

[Uberflo]

Outdated STA especially in the larger sizes

[Chiyou]

Seat tube angle doesn't really mean much with these partially rounded, partially straight tubes.

[Ultramic]

Outdated STA especially in the larger sizes

I agree especially since I'll be looking at an XL, but a zero offset seatpost should remedy this.

[patliean1]

The overall design looks like an XM CarbonSpeed VRT but on peptides.

STA is indeed outdated. Even for someone like myself whose been gradually moving my saddle forward.

[KRoser]

with this "S5" seat tube style, real world STA is maybe about 1-2° steeper then geo chart would suggest, depending on size and seat height.
So I would say even thou STA looks slack compare to normal bikes in reality STA would be much steeper than standard.

I would say this ICAN, XMCS VRT and light carbon LCR020 will have STA much steaper that geo chart would suggest.

I just tried to put geo reference picture to Fusion 360 and tried to align it. This is real STA that came out compare to geo chart in size M.
If someone have experience with this please pitch in If Iam wrong about this, I have never own this kind of geo on a bike, Iam just coming from my basic geometry knowledge .

So every other bike that has two geo chart seat tube lines and seat tube does not come directly from bb center will be like this, STA much steeper than geo chart. Just another thing to be aware of when choosing a bike

[Dark17]

Ahh so Yishun R033D. And as I've said on Yishun r033D thread, it's the same geometry as Scott Foil RC

[Xtakayamax]

Any infos on pricing and availability? I just sent a message but probably will take some time untilthey get back to me with specs and all the info

[Takiyaki]

First of all, lol @ this frame. Not because it's bad, but because it's just kind of funny at how unoriginal these companies are getting. At least they are copying stuff we want.

I do feel like these offset seatpost frames require a rethink on how geometry is calculated. Most frames have a vertical BB offset. I think it's time to start counting horizontal BB offset from the seat post axis and rethinking stuff like STA, TTL, maybe even reach to be honest. Because where this geometry chart says your saddle is going to be and where it's actually gonna be are super different. I would not be surprised if we were talking about saddles being like 30-50mm more forward than the charts would indicate which obviously impacts fit, handling etc. Biggie is shortened effective reach. Other stuff like hip angle will be impacted too. So you would have to do another level of geometric analysis to truly transfer your fit 1:1. And it's possible the geometry of these offset seatpost frames will require a total rethink of fit.

[Tpower59]

Price

[lucasv]

Price

Thanks for getting this info! Where did you get in contact with them? I sent an inquiry on the website a few days ago and haven't gotten a response yet. Wouldn't be surprised if they're inundated though.

[Dark17]

Price

Another sales rep quoted me 730 USD....

[Da11as]

First of all, lol @ this frame. Not because it's bad, but because it's just kind of funny at how unoriginal these companies are getting. At least they are copying stuff we want.

I do feel like these offset seatpost frames require a rethink on how geometry is calculated. Most frames have a vertical BB offset. I think it's time to start counting horizontal BB offset from the seat post axis and rethinking stuff like STA, TTL, maybe even reach to be honest. Because where this geometry chart says your saddle is going to be and where it's actually gonna be are super different. I would not be surprised if we were talking about saddles being like 30-50mm more forward than the charts would indicate which obviously impacts fit, handling etc. Biggie is shortened effective reach. Other stuff like hip angle will be impacted too. So you would have to do another level of geometric analysis to truly transfer your fit 1:1. And it's possible the geometry of these offset seatpost frames will require a total rethink of fit.

True, although steeper STA should be accompanied with substantial increase in reach across all sizes to prevent sitting to far over handlebarsand excessive load on arms. So far, progressive geometry is still (and probably will be) a very niche stuff.