New ICAN A54 AERO FRAME with 35 mm clearance

[crazyravr]

For those looking at Large..... wont be available for another two months as its sold out. XL frame as not ready yet.

[BeR]

Keep in mind that the seatpost is only 300 mm.

[Bonus79]

I don't recall if this has already been mentioned: do you know if UCI certification will be sought for this frame?
Thanks

[crazyravr]

Well my frame shipped last night with tracking provided.
So far excellent communication with ican and a COMPLETELY different experience from any other China manufacturer I have ever dealt with. Night and day. So far so good. Now the waiting begins.

[BeR]

Well my frame shipped last night with tracking provided.
So far excellent communication with ican and a COMPLETELY different experience from any other China manufacturer I have ever dealt with. Night and day. So far so good. Now the waiting begins.

Do you have some pictures to share please ?

[oker_s]

I'm currently looking to order a frame from ICAN ($730 frame + $69 custom paint). However, when talking to them, they are asking for an additional $129 for shipping & prepaid taxes .(to germany)

Including Paypal the total offer is 969 Dollar...

How much did you guys end up paying in total for shipping/taxes on your recent orders?

[Dark17]

That's a fair price. I paid 1k usd for each chiner frame I ordered

[oker_s]

That's a fair price. I paid 1k usd for each chiner frame I ordered

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[MarioCanario]

I'm currently looking to order a frame from ICAN ($730 frame + $69 custom paint). However, when talking to them, they are asking for an additional $129 for shipping & prepaid taxes .(to germany)

Including Paypal the total offer is 969 Dollar...

How much did you guys end up paying in total for shipping/taxes on your recent orders?

that is a normal shipping fee for DPD and such from china to europe. paypal is a costly sucker, but at least you have leverage if anything goes wrong.
tip: at paypal payment checkout do not use the paypal currency exchange rates. if you have, go through your credit card. usually way cheaper

[Bonus79]

I'm currently looking to order a frame from ICAN ($730 frame + $69 custom paint). However, when talking to them, they are asking for an additional $129 for shipping & prepaid taxes .(to germany)

Including Paypal the total offer is 969 Dollar...

How much did you guys end up paying in total for shipping/taxes on your recent orders?

May I ask what kind of custom color you requested for that price?

Thanks.

[ElB]

with this "S5" seat tube style, real world STA is maybe about 1-2° steeper then geo chart would suggest, depending on size and seat height.
So I would say even thou STA looks slack compare to normal bikes in reality STA would be much steeper than standard.

I would say this ICAN, XMCS VRT and light carbon LCR020 will have STA much steaper that geo chart would suggest.

I just tried to put geo reference picture to Fusion 360 and tried to align it. This is real STA that came out compare to geo chart in size M.
If someone have experience with this please pitch in If Iam wrong about this, I have never own this kind of geo on a bike, Iam just coming from my basic geometry knowledge .

So every other bike that has two geo chart seat tube lines and seat tube does not come directly from bb center will be like this, STA much steeper than geo chart. Just another thing to be aware of when choosing a bike

I guess that the underlying assumption is that the provided “cad” picture has the right proportions. According to my calculations, the frame picture by ICAN seems to lack such a property (it is barely consistent with a size M) or the measurements I can get from the picture are not accurate as they need to; regrettably the picture seems useless for the purpose to infer eSTA or to make any other assessment with a reasonable degree of accuracy.

That being said, if we assume the picture refers to a size M frame, then I get what is in the picture, i.e., the seat angle measured where the actual seat tube is inserted is about 79/80 degrees. The number is bonkers, but most of the steep angle effect is wiped out once you consider the “BB offset” (the 60mm figure in the picture). For my seat height, this ICAN frame I would get almost the same setback I can achieve with a “regular” frame with 75 degrees STA.

[ElB]

First of all, lol @ this frame. Not because it's bad, but because it's just kind of funny at how unoriginal these companies are getting. At least they are copying stuff we want.

I do feel like these offset seatpost frames require a rethink on how geometry is calculated. Most frames have a vertical BB offset. I think it's time to start counting horizontal BB offset from the seat post axis and rethinking stuff like STA, TTL, maybe even reach to be honest. Because where this geometry chart says your saddle is going to be and where it's actually gonna be are super different. I would not be surprised if we were talking about saddles being like 30-50mm more forward than the charts would indicate which obviously impacts fit, handling etc. Biggie is shortened effective reach. Other stuff like hip angle will be impacted too. So you would have to do another level of geometric analysis to truly transfer your fit 1:1. And it's possible the geometry of these offset seatpost frames will require a total rethink of fit.

I totally agree with your points. I think the problem stemmed by the “original” frames they are mimicking: S5, as well as Y1RS, geometries has been laid to the public in the traditional fashion, I guess so that people do not overthink too much before buying. At the end of the day, you can choose to be fitted to those frames with your butt over the rear hub or by adopting a more forward position, but not as far as a proper progressive geometry frame will allow you to as you are limited by the modest reach those frames have and the integrated handlebars they require. I would say that with the ICAN frame you have more degrees of freedom if you go it is for a bar+stem combo to get the reach you need once you place your pelvis close to the BB.

My personal view is that if you know what your are looking for, then you can easily figure out whether this frame is suitable to you.

[oker_s]

that is a normal shipping fee for DPD and such from china to europe. paypal is a costly sucker, but at least you have leverage if anything goes wrong.
tip: at paypal payment checkout do not use the paypal currency exchange rates. if you have, go through your credit card. usually way cheaper

Thanks, but I’m well aware that the shipping price is fair. My question isn't about whether it's a good deal.

My previous purchases with ICAN always had shipping and PayPal fees fully included in the initial quote, so I’m specifically trying to figure out if anyone else has been asked to pay these additional costs extra for this specific frame.

I’d really appreciate it if anyone who has ordered this frame recently could share their actual experience regarding these extra charges

May I ask what kind of custom color you requested for that price?

Thanks.

I think I'm going to go with a shade of grey—I guess you could call it silver-grey.

I saw it on Instagram back in the spring when I ordered my Graro frame, but I wanted a specific shade of white at the time. So now it's down to either this grey or glossy raw carbon... but I'm leaning heavily towards grey.

I've attached a picture of the Graro frame in case you're interested

[oker_s]

sorry forgot the pic

[crazyravr]

Frame received. Much faster than expected. Ordered with custom painting Sept. 11th. Received Oct. 08.
Everything screams quality here from the communication to packing to paint and finishes. Based on this we will be ordering a Graro for my wife.
The bad news is that I am currently packing for a Mallorca trip and another is that I will wait until 11:11 to get a groupset

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