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Other Resources => Component Deals & Selection => Topic started by: tripleDot on July 07, 2020, 11:53:26 PM
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Anyone tried this before. Can't seem to find any review, I think they're Chinese.
https://youtu.be/hbNMHZP82C8 (https://youtu.be/hbNMHZP82C8)
https://youtu.be/ildTRqyC1E0 (https://youtu.be/ildTRqyC1E0)
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I'm after getting one delivered for a build, quality seems incredible tbh, lovely machining
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I'm after getting one delivered for a build, quality seems incredible tbh, lovely machining
They look great indeed. Keep us updated !
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Only thing that threw me initially was that there is what looks like a Shimano style preload on the drive side, thing is it's bigger than the Shimano hollowtech one so there's no tool to tighten it. I have a feeling however it's just there for aesthetics for some reason, and I'm doubley sure after watching the installation video above.
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Looking forward to your review Icyseanfitz.
Here's some products pics I digged up. They also got pedals, seatpost collars & hubs but I'm looking at that oil slick crank & chainring (pics 2 & 3).
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Yeah I'm trying to do a full China xc build, only thing that won't be Chinese is the suntour epixon fork I ordered, but then that's from aliexpress too so who knows.
On the topic of oil slick chain rings I ordered this #Aliexpress € 15,24 27%OFF | free deliv Fahrrad Kettenblatt rainbow 32 34 36 38t Engen Breite Fur GXP XX1 XO CNC AL7075 Kurbel
https://a.aliexpress.com/_d7KyqWq
All my parts are beginning to trickle in, still waiting on my damn frame though, ordered through aliexpress, waiting over 2 months now
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Yes, i have one for a covid build I'm working on. It's arrived, but I don't have it mounted up yet... waiting on the frame. The quality looks great, feels well machined. I don't have a scale to weight it (yet?) but overall I'm impressed by the manufacturing on first glance.
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I got a question guys. I'm not familiar with GXP system. My frames are for a BSA thread bb (English 73mm MTB & English 68mm road), mainly intended for Shimano Hollowtech & Hollowtech II. What do I need to do/get to be able to convert to GXP direct mount?
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I got a question guys. I'm not familiar with GXP system. My frames are for a BSA thread bb (English 73mm MTB & English 68mm road), mainly intended for Shimano Hollowtech & Hollowtech II. What do I need to do/get to be able to convert to GXP direct mount?
I had the same doubt and got the answer from an Aliexpress seller that posted the full documentation.
https://a.aliexpress.com/_d79QuFy
See the description for details about BB options.
Or here it is:
(https://i.imgur.com/JpfzEoO.jpg)
And this doesn't look to be GXP by default. It is 24mm all along.
GXP has a 22mm end where the left bearings infamously locks.
They talk about some adapter/end bolt, if you want it GXP.
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Okay, let me get this out to be sure. It's faux GXP, more like direct mount intended for BSA?
So I just get the cranks & direct mount chainring or the adaptor if I want 104bcd chainring. Use my existing Shimano bb shells and just add/minus spacers for 68mm or 73mm.
Btw, was it correct for me to equate GXP with direct mount?
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These cranks look great so I was checking them out. It appears that it’s a straight 24mm spindle which would use any Shimano 68 or 73mm bottom bracket. The GXP part seems to be how the chainring mounts to the crank arm.
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@tripleDot, I believe you are correct. Keep using your Shimano bottom bracket and get a direct mount ring for SRAM gxp cranks.
However, I don’t see any pinch bolts so it may mount up more like a GXP crank.
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yeah ive measured them, 24mm on both sides so standard hollowtech 2 type bb.
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Cool. Now if only I can find those purple cranks.
Thanks guys.
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If purple is what you want, here you go! These use the Shimano style bb's but only come in 170mm. Search "IXF crankset" on AliExpress.
https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20200709034008&isPremium=y&SearchText=ixf+crankset
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I was hoping to try the direct mount of the Fovno.
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Cane Creek eeWings in titanium take a direct mount ring. ;) Then you can anodize it yourself to the purple of your liking.
You can pick only two of the following....
1- Direct mount rings
2- purple color
3- reasonably priced
On that note, since you have two Ti frames, watch the youtube videos on anodizing titanium. I've experimented with some Ti forks and spoons to see how it works before trying it on my Waltly. It's pretty simple and effective.
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Those eeWings are more expensive than my Ti frame.
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Hi guys, I was looking for the boost version of that crank, and found a relabeled one. Also ZTTO is using the crank.
But it seems not being boost after all. Isn't it?!
https://a.aliexpress.com/_d7uQc8V
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would have to say I do not recommend these cranks, hadn't even got to use them yet but was swapping them between frames I'm building and the extraction bolt completely stripped, I use park tools hex keys so quality tools isnt an issue, hadnt used much torque either. Ended up having to cut through the non drive side axle to get them off, completely destroyed. metal in both the axle and tightening/extraction bolt seems way too soft for the torque needed for a crankset.
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would have to say I do not recommend these cranks, hadn't even got to use them yet...
Sad to know it didn't panned out as we hoped. Thanks for the heads up.
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Zrace blade is an alternative, it has steel axle instead of aluminium. I have one but haven't tried it yet (waiting for next season + new bike), but the machining and quality looks really nice probably on par with fovno/hardrock.
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In the package of a Deckas ring I just received, there was a sheet with Fovno products.
A chainring that looks to the recent SRAM ones, with the special shape teeths.
But couldn't find it on Ali.
And the Fovno crank in DUB version.
I contacted the seller, but they were out of stock until December.
When looking for options for various upcoming builds.
I find that SRAM did something interesting with DUB, despite my initial impression of hell-why-another-standard ?
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And the Fovno crank in DUB version.
I contacted the seller, but they were out of stock until December.
DUB should be better with the aluminium axles at 29mm insead of 24.
Found that Zrace have hardrock DUB cranks avalible on ali.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001512867484.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001512954173.html
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I got myself the cheaper FOVNO Ghost crankset (https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005001671175140.html). Looks very good for the price, except for some small optical flaws.
But I'm wondering how the supplied threaded BB is supposed to work in a pressfit frame?
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/H80eec7655a3a416db421a02ec2edd4ebh.jpg)
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I got myself the cheaper FOVNO Ghost crankset (https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005001671175140.html). Looks very good for the price, except for some small optical flaws.
But I'm wondering how the supplied threaded BB is supposed to work in a pressfit frame?
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/H80eec7655a3a416db421a02ec2edd4ebh.jpg)
No it wont work, that is a BSA threaded bottom bracket.
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Okay, then I'm a bit stupid and the instructions a bit misunderstandable ;D
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The confusion has probably come from the item description which says Fit for Pressing-in(BB90) 89.5/92mm that however is referring to the crankset not the BB. Bajker is correct, that is for a BSA bottom bracket.
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Why choose this kind of crankset, when at Sram we have an NX eagle DUB at the same weight for the same price? Something escapes me ...
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Why choose this kind of crankset, when at Sram we have an NX eagle DUB at the same weight for the same price? Something escapes me ...
The colors ? ;)
But you're right, I'm building bikes for a group and some went with an NX crankset.
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Ah yes I agree with the color on the gxp versions, but unless I'm mistaken, the DUB version only exists in black, right? That's why I find its limited interest, but for others the colors are indeed nice!
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I got myself the cheaper FOVNO Ghost crankset (https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005001671175140.html). Looks very good for the price, except for some small optical flaws.
Schumo, how's the Ghost crank holding up on your CF-052? Great color BTW.
I have a Ghost crank coming in soon...
Thanks, Philipp
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So far really good!
But I'm unsure about the torque spec written on it.
It says 50nm, and I torqued it down to 40nm, which didn't feel good. And I had to loosen it a bit again, because the crank would hardly turn then.
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...because the crank would hardly turn then...
That is a half good option. It may develop some play if not tightened enough.
Did you put some spacers between the frame and the crank ?
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I proceeded as in the instructions pictured, wave spring washer and spacer on the left side, O-Rings on both sides.
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Interesting, thanks... so your bottom bracket width is 96.5 mm as in their description, and it still clamps the bearing?
As carbonazza said, I would also try to find a solution where the full 50 Nm can be applied. Same torque as on SRAM GXP cranks.
Did you try without the 3 mm spacer or with a thinner one?
Make sure the bolt thread and the spline on the axle are well greased before tightening.
But good to hear the crank is fine otherwise!
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Nope, didn't try anything else.
Aaaaand I broke the crank bolt today. But not the one on the drive side which I couldn't torque down properly. The one on the other side, which says "This Place do not disassemble". I didn't touch that bolt before.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50850595342_20fe53b4ed_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ktuAos)
While riding I felt that the left crank arm came loose, so I stopped and retightened the bolt, which was tightish again, but the crank was still a bit loose. Took me two more tries until I realised that I had to push my bike home. :(
The thread in the axle is luckily fine. I'll double check after work, but it seems to be a M14x1 thread. I found some crank bolts on Ebay from France which will probably work. M15 seems to be a lot easier to find. :-X
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Bummer... thanks for reporting the issues! Hope the new bolt fits and the crank will be OK then...
so I guess the "do not disassemble" bolt will be the first thing to disassemble when my crankset arrives. Let's see, generally the design should be absolutely fine in case those bolts are tightened properly...
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The same is written on SRAM's cranks.
But they don't break.
I wonder what is so important they write this down.
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I checked the BB today, and it's 99.2mm wide. Fovno manual says 96.5mm ±1.5.
I think I'll be fine if I machine the spacer a bit.
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I removed the "do not disassemble" bolt on non drive side, it was not screwed on that tight, threads look ok, reassembled with some thread-locker in place instead of the grease they used. I can't remove the drive side cap, unsure what tool that is. Did not torque to ~55Nm either, surely that would strip it?
Put spacer on both sides to fit road bike frame, drive side had to machine one.
Fit of chainring was really bad, but its probably fault of chainring, I don't have an "official" sram part to compare to.
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Did the same on my Fovno Ghost crank, the "do not disassemble" bolt wasn't very tight either, with 47 Nm it went 3/4 turn further in. Afterwards no issues with BB width 96.7 mm, rotates nicely.
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Another thing I noticed, is that the chainring-spider-combo by Fovno has an offset of ~4.5mm. My guess is that they want to make it fit for Boost and non-Boost frames, which isn't perfect for either.
I went ahead and ordered a 34T chainring (36T like I had wouldn't fit wit the frame sitting 1.5mm inboard) off AliX.
The first one I got from BDSnail slipped through QC and had no Narrow-Wide teeth, but instead "left-wide" and "right-wide" teeth. It throwed the chain instantly off, but I got the money back through AliX.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51052131108_0332296c20_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kMivX3)
I ordered one from VXM then, and I mounted it today and readjusted the rear derrailleur. Feels better now, but I couldn't test it in real conditions yet because the weather sucks here right now.
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These are 70g lighter (516g) than the Fovnos but look a bit too wild for me, and no direct mount: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001817612297.html
Also I suspect Fovno was inspired by the Hope Rx crankset (second photo), some serious similarities but at the same time the shape is very different.
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Just had the Fovno crank arm bolt on the non drive side shear whilst riding - did anyone find the actual size or a good link for a replacement bolt please - otherwise its a new chainset i need ?
Seems to be the crank bolts are made of cheese !
thanks
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Just had the Fovno crank arm bolt on the non drive side shear whilst riding - did anyone find the actual size or a good link for a replacement bolt please - otherwise its a new chainset i need ?
Seems to be the crank bolts are made of cheese !
thanks
M14 bolt
https://www.bike-discount.de/de/race-face-kurbelschraube-mit-abzieher-fuer-next-sl/atlas-x-type?
M15 bolt
https://www.bike24.de/p1133177.html
Afair just the older Ghost cranks have M15x1 bolts, all others including newer Ghost cranks have M14x1 bolts. So check before ordering.
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Does anyone have any experience with Prowheel? Their RPX crankset is included as a substitute for 105 in Pardus’ Super Sport complete bike so I feel that they have some level of credibility to them being an OEM supplier and all.
The 4-arm Shimano style chainring bolt covers on their RPT-721-TT-1 crankset caught my eye because these sorts of details are usually not paid attention to at this end of the market. Their DMA-821-TT crankset is also pretty interesting being a Cannondale Hollowgram SiSL2 lookalike. Curiously enough, their most high end DMA-CR100A-TT model doesn't seem to be listed for sale anywhere.
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Another day, another new crankset! The FC-PR2-A1 (https://chinese.alibaba.com/product-detail/SENICX-Road-Bike-Bicycle-Crankset-FC-1600362504264.html) from SENICX is the lightest one in their lineup. 29mm alloy axle and CNC chainrings. The FC-PR2-A2 (https://chinese.alibaba.com/product-detail/senicx-road-bike-bicycle-crankset-fc-pr2-a2-34-50t-36-52t-170-175mm-sprocket-direct-mount-11s-12s-cnc-with-bottom-bracket-1600362613287.html) variant has lower spec chainrings and you can tell them apart at the SRAM 3 bolt interface area. A1 has a circular intent there while the A2 is completely flat. Choose the FC-PR3-A1 or FC-PR3-A2 if you want a 24mm steel axle.
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He's strictly road bikes, but Trace Velo has been a handy channel when it comes to understanding aliexpress items. I found this vid on axle failure insightful. Apparently alu is not the ideal material for axles.
https://youtu.be/2SMUFxFL1bU
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He's strictly road bikes, but Trace Velo has been a handy channel when it comes to understanding aliexpress items. I found this vid on axle failure insightful. Apparently alu is not the ideal material for axles.
https://youtu.be/2SMUFxFL1bU
I think that failure only holds true for 24mm alloy axles. SRAM DUB has a 29mm alloy axle and is proven on the pro peloton. Of course, go for 24mm steel axles if you want to be extra safe.
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Finally we've got Fovno Phantom Pro Crankset (http://www.fovno.com/product/cranksets/phantom-pro-crankset%ef%bc%8829mm-spindle%ef%bc%89/) on Aliexpress:
https://aliexpress.ru/item/1005003003956669.html
It's DUB compatible and probably wouldn't have problems with alu bolts (as almost all other Fovno's cranks with 24mm spindle)
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I think one of the best cranksets has been hiding in plain sight for the longest time
It's not advertised but the XCadey road crankset can be ordered sans power meter. 24mm Titanium spindle (so no BB86 w/ 29mm or 30mm issues), 4 arm spider (unsure if the 5 arm can be ordered this way) and likely doesn't suffer from flex issues like the Magene.
The only other Ti spindle crankset I can think of are the eeWings which are 30mm. I wonder if a 24mm Ti spindle will have the same issues as one made from alloy? There's also the Miranda X-MOD (https://bikerumor.com/eb17-miranda-x-mod-carbon-and-titanium-crankset-is-crazy-light-fits-anything/) which does use a 24mm Ti spindle but there's no information on how it holds up.
(https://i.imgur.com/SUQPZyk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/l5RcUMH.png)
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The bmx guys beat up their titanium cranks. They were having failures with the two piece bonding and teeth shearing holding the crank arm to the axles. They were trying to get costs lower by not welding the ti arms to the axles.
I honestly am shocked we don't hear road/MTB guys shearing cranks with aluminum. I have the highest possible cranks to fail and so far they're doing fine.
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new Magene QED crankset (https://weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404773409631634120)
details (https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzIzMTE2MjU2MA==&mid=2247498355&idx=1&sn=3b2cab30f54665e5619fac8fe3916506&chksm=e8aaeddcdfdd64ca6b780576e468e1f5004a05f578f3aa4ad45bb30f9429c53c3d8a4f70490e&scene=21#wechat_redirect): improved stiffness, 7075 alloy, hollow arms, DUB axle, 1 piece chainrings
available in chainring (with or sans PM) and PM spider versions
(https://i.imgur.com/PXOBBGp.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/K4OC1t6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fA2ILu2.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/7qB3CBC.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5nEMov9.jpg)
teaser of the new Elilee XXE X320 crankset, very competitive weight vs competition (https://twitter.com/MoBaohua/status/1530897361957838853)
(https://i.imgur.com/JFyE4Rl.jpg)
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I think one of the best cranksets has been hiding in plain sight for the longest time
It's not advertised but the XCadey road crankset can be ordered sans power meter. 24mm Titanium spindle (so no BB86 w/ 29mm or 30mm issues), 4 arm spider (unsure if the 5 arm can be ordered this way) and likely doesn't suffer from flex issues like the Magene.
The only other Ti spindle crankset I can think of are the eeWings which are 30mm. I wonder if a 24mm Ti spindle will have the same issues as one made from alloy? There's also the Miranda X-MOD (https://bikerumor.com/eb17-miranda-x-mod-carbon-and-titanium-crankset-is-crazy-light-fits-anything/) which does use a 24mm Ti spindle but there's no information on how it holds up.
(https://i.imgur.com/SUQPZyk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/l5RcUMH.png)
Hello, you should order directly on xcadey website?
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Hello, you should order directly on xcadey website?
In China you buy the chainrings and crank arms (sans PM spider) separately under a Spare Parts listing on Tmall/Taobao. I'm not sure how it works for buyers elsewhere.
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Those Xcadey cranks and power meter do look quite nice and come in my quirky short size. Quite a bit cheaper on Aliexpress vs Direct though. Are any possible issues better handled direct or through a reseller on Ali?
The only other Ti spindle crankset I can think of are the eeWings which are 30mm. I wonder if a 24mm Ti spindle will have the same issues as one made from alloy? There's also the Miranda X-MOD (https://bikerumor.com/eb17-miranda-x-mod-carbon-and-titanium-crankset-is-crazy-light-fits-anything/) which does use a 24mm Ti spindle but there's no information on how it holds up.
What alloy vs Ti issues are you worried about?
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Those Xcadey cranks and power meter do look quite nice and come in my quirky short size. Quite a bit cheaper on Aliexpress vs Direct though. Are any possible issues better handled direct or through a reseller on Ali?
What alloy vs Ti issues are you worried about?
There have been some instances for 24mm alloy axles shearing off
I don't buy from Ali so I can't help you there
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There have been some instances for 24mm alloy axles shearing off
I don't buy from Ali so I can't help you there
do you have a reseller on taobao?
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do you have a reseller on taobao?
XCadey has official e-commerce presence in China. I don’t think it’s worth buying through an agent though
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@stiffweenies have you heard of this onirii fire carbon crankset?
I just randomly came across these on 闲鱼 but couldnt find them on taobao nor aliexpress. And the onirii website looks like it hasnt been updated in a while.
The weight looks decent but this seller is asking for 1980rmb
I figured if anyone could find any information on these, it would be you lol
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upcoming Fovno Aurora Pro crankset (https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Sd4y1k7w7/)
Hollow arms so it's a proper competitor to QED and Xcadey. DUB, 3-bolt and 2x one-piece chainrings.
Would be nuts if the 620g quoted weight is for 170mm 50/34, as that's D-A FC-R9100 level weight right there (614g). For reference, QED is 679g.
The arms are quoted at 450g versus 493g for Xcadey and 508g for QED (my estimation).
EDIT: Nope.
Xcadey sans-PM 50/34 is still the lightest at 611g. Xcadey arms alone weigh 443g.
Fovno Aurora Pro 48/32 weighs 610g.
(https://i.imgur.com/bzKDG7k.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Wr2FX7J.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QvXbEXd.jpg)
@stiffweenies have you heard of this onirii fire carbon crankset?
looks like it's made by Neutron's OEM, if so avoid it
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That new crank looks beautiful. I'm trying to find a decent MTB crank in 155 or 160mm. Fingers cross Fovno will make one eventually.
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upcoming Fovno Aurora Pro crankset (https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Sd4y1k7w7/)
Hollow arms so it's a proper competitor to QED and Xcadey. DUB, 3-bolt and 2x one-piece chainrings.
Would be nuts if the 620g quoted weight is for 170mm 50/34, as that's D-A FC-R9100 level weight right there (614g). For reference, QED is 679g.
The arms are quoted at 450g versus 493g for Xcadey and 508g for QED (my estimation).
EDIT: Nope.
Xcadey sans-PM 50/34 is still the lightest at 611g. Xcadey arms alone weigh 443g.
Fovno Aurora Pro 48/32 weighs 610g.
(https://i.imgur.com/bzKDG7k.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Wr2FX7J.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QvXbEXd.jpg)
looks like it's made by Neutron's OEM, if so avoid it
Has anyone heard any more news on this crankset? Its been around 5 months now and I havent seen anything about them popping up on Aliexpress
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Theyre already released in China on taobao from multiple sellers. Not sure why theyre not on aliexpress yet