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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: Flo7 on September 23, 2020, 02:35:40 AM
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Hi,
Has anybody seen the new Enduro Bike Frame Form Miracle/ Haideli... Looks very interesting and it's available!
Maybe a good alternative to the awaiting FS831.
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Looks good but where do you put your bottle???
Is there a link to more info re shock and fork sizes?
What is the price on this one?
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Components
Item FS830 Enduro
Material Toray Carbon Fiber
Size 15",17.5",18.5",20.5"
Bottom Bracket BB92
Type 29er Enduro
Tire 29er*2.4"
Fork Travel 170mm
Frame Travel 160mm
Rear Shox 210*55mm
Thru axle 148*12mm
Brake post Mount 200mm
Crank Touch Shimano 30/32/34T Sram 30/32/34
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Looks great! Can't fint it on Miracles or Haidelis website. Do you have a link?
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A 170/160 29er Chinese carbon bike. What a time to be alive.
Wish they didn't put that kink in the top tube but whatever.
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Only the 17.5 is available at the moment according to Miracle.
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Looks awesome. I love it, but that may be a bit too much travel for around here.
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Seat tube needs to be a lot shorter
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And there is only a 2.3mm difference in reach between the 17 and 18.5. Something isn't correct.
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Do you have a link? As i cant find it on any website?
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Seems to be an Ibis clone. If it can perform like the Ripmo then this will be potentially be a great find.
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Yep. Ripmo, I do prefer this from fm831. However there isnt a S size.
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Hi,
Has anybody seen the new Enduro Bike Frame Form Miracle/ Haideli... Looks very interesting and it's available!
Maybe a good alternative to the awaiting FS831.
can you post a link...i can't find not even similar frame on Miracle or Haideli.....
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Ok...since author of this post can not post link to this frame,and that frame is non exist in Miracle or Hai.... her it is
http://www.ltbikes.com/product/100.html if you buy from China...but i also noticed that frame on
http://www.apexcreative.com.tw/comm/upimage/op_181017_06776.jpg from Taiwan....
How good or bad it is you can read in this post here on Chinertown...
http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,2927.0.html
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from Apex who is designer of the frame...
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Ok...since author of this post can not post link to this frame,and that frame is non exist in Miracle or Hai.... her it is
http://www.ltbikes.com/product/100.html if you buy from China...but i also noticed that frame on
http://www.apexcreative.com.tw/comm/upimage/op_181017_06776.jpg from Taiwan....
How good or bad it is you can read in this post here on Chinertown...
http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,2927.0.html
Here is the link
http://www.mira-factory.com/Product/detail/id/31.html
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Here is the link
http://www.mira-factory.com/Product/detail/id/31.html
password protected...
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from Apex who is designer of the frame...
The quality of the geometry file is some levels higher than the ones we get usually.
Anyone can comment the values anti-squat, pedal-kickback, leverage ratio charts ?
I'm still trying to understand all this better, coming from my rigid or hardtail past and hopefully moving full suspension in the coming months ;)
Here is a good read about it: https://enduro-mtb.com/en/mtb-suspension-kinematics/
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Ok...since author of this post can not post link to this frame,and that frame is non exist in Miracle or Hai.... her it is
http://www.ltbikes.com/product/100.html if you buy from China...but i also noticed that frame on
http://www.apexcreative.com.tw/comm/upimage/op_181017_06776.jpg from Taiwan....
How good or bad it is you can read in this post here on Chinertown...
http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,2927.0.html
I believe thats not the exactly the same frame but its quite similar tho...
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I believe thats not the exactly the same frame but its quite similar tho...
Looks like a completely different frame to me.
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Yep. Ripmo, I do prefer this from fm831. However there isnt a S size.
Yeah, I'd be pretty torn between this one and the 831. Would likely just pick the cheapest option. Or the one that is actually available. Hopefully, I should be able to pick one of the two up when I'm ready to start a new build in January after the holidays.
Either way, it's good to see longer travel, slacker geo options coming out. It took long enough.
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If any of the frame manufacturers read these forums, WE WOULD LIKE SHORTER SEAT TUBES TO RUN LONGER DROPPERS!
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If any of the frame manufacturers read these forums, WE WOULD LIKE SHORTER SEAT TUBES TO RUN LONGER DROPPERS!
These guys don't look too bad? only 1 cm taller than an Optic (one of the modern, short ones) according to the original chart. Sure, it's not Knolly short but it isn't particularly egregious. Much better than some mainstream brands right now even. The Apex bike appears to be a totally different platform with long AF seat tubes. I think this miracle/haideli bike is substantially different. It looks like everyones getting confused because these frames look similar.
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495 on the XL seams like too long of a seat post to me. That's really my only complaint. Otherwise, the frame looks pretty good to me. Very interested in this and the Hightower clone.
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The seat tube lenght can easily be be cut and shaven 1 1/2 to 2 cm down, i guess if there is enough request the factory can easily reconfigure this after moulding.
Its seatpost clamp cutting is usually done after moulding. I think.
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Found it on Alibaba
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2020-OEM-29-full-carbon-fiber_1600122152845.html?spm=a2700.9114905.0.0.XHtQB7
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password protected...
Password 212121
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The seat tube lenght can easily be be cut and shaven 1 1/2 to 2 cm down, i guess if there is enough request the factory can easily reconfigure this after moulding.
Its seatpost clamp cutting is usually done after moulding. I think.
How do you think they'd feel about adding some reinforcement for some water bottle bosses too lol?
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How do you think they'd feel about adding some reinforcement for some water bottle bosses too lol?
Ive been speaking to someone via Alibaba about the frame, and have asked about water bottles. Just waiting on a reply will let you know what they say.
I also asked about the geometry and they have sent me a photo of the table out their catalogue, which just matches what was in the image in the first post
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Quick Details
Combo Set Offered:
5
Material:
T800 Full carbon fiber
Foldable:
No
Size:
29er* 15''/17''/18.5''/21'' ( only 17'' available now)
Use:
Mountain Bikes, suspension bicycle
Weight:
2620+/-50g(17'')
Place of Origin:
Guangdong, China
Brand Name:
HAIDELI
Model Number:
FS830 Enduro
Surface Processing Mode:
matte/glossy
is_customized:
Yes
Type:
Carbon fiber frame
Model type:
29er Enduro MTB suspension frame
Bottom Bracket:
BB92
Frame travel:
160mm
Fork travel:
170mm
Rear Brake:
post mount 200mm
Headset:
1 1/8 to 1 1/2"
Seatpost:
31.6mm
Suitable crankset:
30/32/34T
Max tire size:
29er*2.4'' tires
Rear shock:
210*55cm
** This is copy-pasted directly from the Alibaba link above. **
Model NO. Enduro-FS830
Size
29er* 15''/17''/18.5''/21'' ( only 17'' available now)
Travel frame travel: 160mm, fork travel: 170mm
Max tire size 29er/29er boost*2.35'', 27.5er plus*3.0'' tires
Rear shock CC
210*55cm
Brake type post mount 200mm
Thru axle size 148*12mm
Cable Routing Internal Cable
Suitable crankset 30/32/34T
Weight at least 2620g+/-50g (17'')
Bottom bracket BB92
Max tire size
29er*2.4'' tires
Headset Tube 1 1/8 to 1 1/2, Tapered
Seat Tube 31.6mm
Including frame+clamp+headset+BB+thru axle shaft (excluding shock absorber)
** This is copy-pasted directly from the Alibaba link above. **
(https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/Hc90f7df1770b41eca3f3cdb344f28671P/224107630/Hc90f7df1770b41eca3f3cdb344f28671P.jpg_.webp)
(https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/H5e629c46da1a494bbaf64932767cc2e1k/224107630/H5e629c46da1a494bbaf64932767cc2e1k.jpg_.webp)
(https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/H71ee9cd73f6644d88f97181ce4e9ddabi/224107630/H71ee9cd73f6644d88f97181ce4e9ddabi.jpg_.webp)
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That.... actually looks really nice. Still needs bolts for at least a fidlock mini bottle though.
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Looks great. Again, the only think I would want is a shorter seat tube on the XL. I will be getting either this or the Hightower clone. Tough choice.
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Yep. Ripmo, I do prefer this from fm831. However there isnt a S size.
Appears to me to be more like a Pivot Firebird 29 clone. Which is not a bad bike at all to be cloning.
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Hopefully a shorter travel version comes out in the future. Would love a 140mm version.
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Firebird 29er it is.....
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431 chainstay. Yummy. If only they have it in small..
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https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2020-new-29er-full-suspension-MTB_1600112548413.html?spm=a2700.details.deiletai6.5.573e327dvkmBwX
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Has anyone tried this one?
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Anyone purchased this frame?
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Does anyone have experience or HAIDELI or Miva?
What's the link between the two companies?
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Does anyone have experience or HAIDELI or Miva?
What's the link between the two companies?
I've built two FM-M009 hard tails, 4 years ago.
They were well built, and are still ridden with no problem at all.
And joy[at]haidelibicycle.com was really helpful and easy to deal with.
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I've built two FM-M009 hard tails, 4 years ago.
They were well built, and are still ridden with no problem at all.
And joy[at]haidelibicycle.com was really helpful and easy to deal with.
Thanks for the Tip, Just got a reply from Joy, It sounds like there still some time away from production.
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Just got message from Haideli, 17" frame is currently available and 18.5" frame will be started on April and ready on May.
Im currently between this and LCFS947
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Has anybody purchased one of these frames?
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Only the sample order have been sent to some customers, if anyone interested the mold FS-AM830, also feel free to contact me via email.
Eddy@haidelibicycle.com
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I'm blown away by how well it rides. slightly naughty paint job.
It climbs as well as my sonder transmitter hardtail and descends a whole lot faster.
I've bashed it through Scotland and down some big drop offs without any concens. Its not has a few stone chips and not looking quite so pretty.
Chainring was slightly awkward as I had to run zero offset to get everything inline, good excuse to buy a nice oval cnc one.
I'm still waiting for a new one up dropper post but everyone seems out of stock. Also if anyone can recommend any good carbon wheels (30 -35mm internal width)
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Pivot Firebird 29... why ?
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Pivot Firebird 29... why ?
You know it's a Miracle FS830 with the frame geometry inspired by the Pivot firebird.
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Also if anyone can recommend any good carbon wheels (30 -35mm internal width)
I build my own wheels with Chinese components, except the spokes, hey why not stay within the same spirit!
Rims (can find wider ones):
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32822640929.html
Hubs - DT240EXP clones:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003014289678.html
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I'm blown away by how well it rides. slightly naughty paint job.
It climbs as well as my sonder transmitter hardtail and descends a whole lot faster.
I've bashed it through Scotland and down some big drop offs without any concens. Its not has a few stone chips and not looking quite so pretty.
Chainring was slightly awkward as I had to run zero offset to get everything inline, good excuse to buy a nice oval cnc one.
I'm still waiting for a new one up dropper post but everyone seems out of stock. Also if anyone can recommend any good carbon wheels (30 -35mm internal width)
Still happy with your 830? A new group buy thread has sprung up for it and with all the complications of the AM831 situation, it’s a tempting alternative to a four-bar like the FM1002.
I prefer 2.6 or at least wide 2.5 clearance, but otherwise on paper this seems like one of the best options out there.
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Just now have been in stock for each size.
Thanks.
Eddy
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Chainring was slightly awkward as I had to run zero offset to get everything inline, good excuse to buy a nice oval cnc one.
Could you explain that? Is it a quirk of the frame or some other reason? I’d normally expect a boost bike to work with a 3mm offset…..
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After some issues with a first version of the FS831 frame, due to a flawed pivot design, we were wondering if the design of this FS830 was cleaner, to maybe switch to this instead.
Looking at the pictures, I had worries about the link design (see from here: https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3172.msg33167.html#msg33167).
Could anyone confirm how the bearings are mounted in the links? Haideli are not very diligent about providing the details.
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Perhaps top-fire might be more forthcoming with linkage details?
https://www.top-fire.com/29er-full-suspension-enduro-carbon-mtb-frame_p21.html
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Merry Christmas.
Any question, feel free to contact me.
Eddy@haidelibicycle.com
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Merry Christmas.
Any question, feel free to contact me.
Eddy@haidelibicycle.com
Questions asked, Eddy, but no replies!
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Merry Christmas, Eddy
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It seems like some people have received these frames and are riding them around, surely they could take some photos of the pivot bearing mounting arrangement for the thread? I'm somebody who is looking at frames trying to decide what I want to do now, and I might buy this frame if I can see that the bearing mounting solution is adequate, but unless I see that I have my doubts and I might buy something else... Seems like Eddy or somebody else should just post some pictures and then people like me will be able to buy with confidence!
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I might buy this frame if I can see that the bearing mounting solution is adequate, but unless I see that I have my doubts and I might buy something else... Seems like Eddy or somebody else should just post some pictures and then people like me will be able to buy with confidence!
Especially after they botched the 831 links, they should really try to bring back some confidence! Eddy hasn't responded to my requests for schematics of the pivots. Not sure if he's scared to show what he has, or if he's having trouble finding material to show.
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so any updates on this frame? any news regarding linkage?
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so any updates on this frame? any news regarding linkage?
At least one forum member has a Haideli 830 on the way. Other than that I’m not aware of anyone doing any builds yet, beyond the single one we’ve seen.
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At least one forum member has a Haideli 830 on the way. Other than that I’m not aware of anyone doing any builds yet, beyond the single one we’ve seen.
I got a mesage that i can pickup my Frame from the post station tomorrow after paying a lot of fee. So we should know more soon. If they send the right frame ;).
Best Regards
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I got a mesage that i can pickup my Frame from the post station tomorrow after paying a lot of fee. So we should know more soon. If they send the right frame ;).
Best Regards
That’s great news, can’t wait to see your build and thoughts on the frame!
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Ok folks, there is the miracules FS830 Frame:
For a first quick overview, it looks stabel and i can‘t detect any play n the link’s.
I opened all bearings, there is nearly no grase inside. 2 Bearings are maybe damaged, so i’ve to change them.
The Bearings are mostly in the Frame and the screwheads are big because the Conection Area is conical.
Pictures says more than words, so have a look to this:
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My RockShox Reverb 150mm fits nearly complete in the Seattube.
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Ok folks, there is the miracules FS830 Frame:
For a first quick overview, it looks stabel and i can‘t detect any play n the link’s.
Interested to follow along and see if the rear is stable. Also see that you're doing a Shigura setup, my MT7 calipers have been in Frankfurt airport for a month :(
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Ok folks, there is the miracules FS830 Frame:
For a first quick overview, it looks stabel and i can‘t detect any play n the link’s.
I opened all bearings, there is nearly no grase inside. 2 Bearings are maybe damaged, so i’ve to change them.
The Bearings are mostly in the Frame and the screwheads are big because the Conection Area is conical.
Pictures says more than words, so habe a look to this:
Strange that bearings would arrive with issues already. Not sure how that’s even possible. Looks good otherwise though!
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Interested to follow along and see if the rear is stable. Also see that you're doing a Shigura setup, my MT7 calipers have been in Frankfurt airport for a month :(
Oh, bad thing… hopefully you get the calipers soon. I look forward the shigura if it‘s really as good as everybody telling.
Maybe i’m not so representative for rear stability like you, because i ride more like a Lemur as an Gorilla
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Stef, are any of the bearings sealed or are they all open like the one in the close up photo?
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Stef, are any of the bearings sealed or are they all open like the one in the close up photo?
Hello Emu, all Bearings are sealed by a plasic cover, i have removed them to put grease inside.
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To fix the Damper the shockends are 8*22mm, rear & 8*22mm front!! Not 30 & 22 like the sellers told in description.
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Have you a link for the chainstay protector, it's lovely
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Fair Warning. Ive had my share of liars and cheats in my dealings domestically and overseas. But I have never experienced a more deceitful dealing than with Eddy and haidelibicycle. I placed an order for an 831 frame early December. But after reading all the negative reviews I quickly switched to the 830 frame. I was assured the size I needed was in stock and the frame will be painted shortly. After nearly 7 weeks of stalling (frame is being painted .....) I threatened to dispute the payment with paypal unless I received a shipment tracking for my address. All of a sudden, someone made a mistake and only a black frame was available in my size. I repeatedly asked to cancel the order and be refunded. "Oh since you waited, we will send you a gift..." bull$it. Finally, said in no uncertain terms, I was done with haidelibicycle and no longer want anything to do with them. Eddy said refund was on the way. Guess what no such refund or any acknowledgment. I did file a dispute with paypal and provided the 10 pages of correspondence with Eddy (or whatever is his real name). I dont know what will become of my payment. Disregard this warning at you own expense.
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Fair Warning. Ive had my share of liars and cheats in my dealings domestically and overseas. But I have never experienced a more deceitful dealing than with Eddy and haidelibicycle. I placed an order for an 831 frame early December. But after reading all the negative reviews I quickly switched to the 830 frame. I was assured the size I needed was in stock and the frame will be painted shortly. After nearly 7 weeks of stalling (frame is being painted .....) I threatened to dispute the payment with paypal unless I received a shipment tracking for my address. All of a sudden, someone made a mistake and only a black frame was available in my size. I repeatedly asked to cancel the order and be refunded. "Oh since you waited, we will send you a gift..." bull$it. Finally, said in no uncertain terms, I was done with haidelibicycle and no longer want anything to do with them. Eddy said refund was on the way. Guess what no such refund or any acknowledgment. I did file a dispute with paypal and provided the 10 pages of correspondence with Eddy (or whatever is his real name). I dont know what will become of my payment. Disregard this warning at you own expense.
Thanks for taking the time to advise people of your situation, I hope you get your money back through paypal. Please update when you get a final resolution, it's good for people to know about these types of situations.
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Have you a link for the chainstay protector, it's lovely
This chainstay protect was sticking on the frame when i’ve receive it. But it it to thin for noise protection.
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Fair Warning. ….
Sorry to hear that, in my case it works perfect.
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Fair Warning. Ive had my share of liars and cheats in my dealings domestically and overseas. But I have never experienced a more deceitful dealing than with Eddy and haidelibicycle. I placed an order for an 831 frame early December. But after reading all the negative reviews I quickly switched to the 830 frame. I was assured the size I needed was in stock and the frame will be painted shortly. After nearly 7 weeks of stalling (frame is being painted .....) I threatened to dispute the payment with paypal unless I received a shipment tracking for my address. All of a sudden, someone made a mistake and only a black frame was available in my size. I repeatedly asked to cancel the order and be refunded. "Oh since you waited, we will send you a gift..." bull$it. Finally, said in no uncertain terms, I was done with haidelibicycle and no longer want anything to do with them. Eddy said refund was on the way. Guess what no such refund or any acknowledgment. I did file a dispute with paypal and provided the 10 pages of correspondence with Eddy (or whatever is his real name). I dont know what will become of my payment. Disregard this warning at you own expense.
You'll either get a frame or your money but neither one will come quickly from China. Good luck and don't expect a different experience from any other reseller.
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You'll either get a frame or your money but neither one will come quickly from China. Good luck and don't expect a different experience from any other reseller.
That's incredible. I'm pushing 60 and have been ordering from china for nearly 20 years. Giving questionable characters a pass is how we got to this place. Never had a fraud experience with any Frame dealer. Yes some were late and not exactly as advertised. Eddy and his company define a new low and apparently its OK because eventually they will ship a crappy product and maybe you will get your money back.
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That's incredible. I'm pushing 60 and have been ordering from china for nearly 20 years. Giving questionable characters a pass is how we got to this place. Never had a fraud experience with any Frame dealer. Yes some were late and not exactly as advertised. Eddy and his company define a new low and apparently its OK because eventually they will ship a crappy product and maybe you will get your money back.
You will get either/or in time, no fraud here - as evidence that a bunch of us have frames, or refunds, from them. They didn't have one for you and that is trash, shit does happen. I waited a few months for Seraph to tell me they didn't have the frame I ordered. Ordered a different frame from someone else (AWST I think, don't know if they are still around) and got a refund from Seraph at some point, it was fine no tears shed. A handful of people here simply have much different expectations when dealing with China than the rest of us. I've had more of these shenanigans from car dealers in the US than from frames and bikes parts from China...
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To fix the Damper the shockends are 8*22mm, rear & 8*22mm front!! Not 30 & 22 like the sellers told in description.
Not the first time they've provided incorrect specs like this. they said the same for the am831 and it was backwards. Not sure why they do this, it's not hard to measure
You'll either get a frame or your money but neither one will come quickly from China. Good luck and don't expect a different experience from any other reseller.
I guess you can't be let down if you expect the worse but I've definitely had much better experiences with other resellers as I'm sure a majority have on this site. This is just another example of Eddys deceitful tactics .
That's incredible. I'm pushing 60 and have been ordering from china for nearly 20 years. Giving questionable characters a pass is how we got to this place. Never had a fraud experience with any Frame dealer. Yes some were late and not exactly as advertised. Eddy and his company define a new low and apparently its OK because eventually they will ship a crappy product and maybe you will get your money back.
I completely agree with you. It's definitely not ok and they should be held accountable. At the very least this is getting the word out so others don't go through the same . Thanks for taking the time to share your experience, I hope you are able to get this resolved through PayPal. I wouldnt wait for Eddy to do anything about it. He's stopped responding to me altogether when I have a valid warranty claim.
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Not the first time they've provided incorrect specs like this. they said the same for the am831 and it was backwards. Not sure why they do this, it's not hard to measure
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I don't want to blame anyone, it ist only for information for spending time (I've filed for 1 hour last night ;) )
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Good luck and don't expect a different experience from any other reseller.
What are you talking about? This forum and plenty of others are filled with positive experiences from many different resellers.
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What are you talking about? This forum and plenty of others are filled with positive experiences from many different resellers.
I was about to make the same point. The idea of a platform like CHINERTOWN is to help people weed out bad actors and let people make own decisions. I personally had incredible luck with frame suppliers quality and finish (shipping delays not withstanding). So lumping this outlier as what we should all expect is naive.
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What are you talking about? This forum and plenty of others are filled with positive experiences from many different resellers.
Yeah, good and bad experiences from different people about the same resellers. It'll happen at every reseller - they're all slow, they all can mess up but that doesn't equal fraud.
I didn't post all over that Seraph was a fraud and bad actors for not sending me a frame and refunding me 63 days later (I was curious, so I checked)? No, I actually just finished building up a Seraph GR044 frame - because shit happens. Again, just a difference in expectations where some people just want way more out of throwaway money to a market where customer service isn't part of the experience.
I personally had incredible luck
Yes, yes you have. I do hope that you get refunded quickly without having to go back to PayPal. I've had mostly good luck but some bad thrown in like the constant tinkering with the AM831. Sales process was smooth, end product is passable but could be better as I'm sure you are aware. Hope this snap in your luck stops here... Otherwise keep your post handy so you can replace the reseller name with your next new account.
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Yeah, good and bad experiences from different people about the same resellers. It'll happen at every reseller - they're all slow, they all can mess up but that doesn't equal fraud.
I didn't post all over that Seraph was a fraud and bad actors for not sending me a frame and refunding me 63 days later (I was curious, so I checked)? No, I actually just finished building up a Seraph GR044 frame - because shit happens. Again, just a difference in expectations where some people just want way more out of throwaway money to a market where customer service isn't part of the experience.
Yes, yes you have. I do hope that you get refunded quickly without having to go back to PayPal. I've had mostly good luck but some bad thrown in like the constant tinkering with the AM831. Sales process was smooth, end product is passable but could be better as I'm sure you are aware. Hope this snap in your luck stops here... Otherwise keep your post handy so you can replace the reseller name with your next new account.
Cybrsrce I think this is part of the problem, to you it is throw away money. To many others here it is money that they have still had to work hard and save for. Just because it is cheaper than over priced named branded products doesn't mean it isn't someone's hard earned that has been handed over.
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Cybrsrce I think this is part of the problem, to you it is throw away money. To many others here it is money that they have still had to work hard and save for. Just because it is cheaper than over priced named branded products doesn't mean it isn't someone's hard earned that has been handed over.
I see your point and a delayed refund period isn't ideal if you don't have a frame worth of disposable income available. The money isn't gone though, it just isn't going to be refunded immediately. You're looking at 30 days to refund Amazon purchases outside your country, adjust expectations.
Other than that I see this process as a simple goods transaction and it looks like people want a white glove LBS service. If you think that way you will definitely be disappointed. If it isn't during the sales and shipping process it will be at post sales or warranty issues. Just like the other threads, I respect your opinion I just disagree and that is probably all I have left to say about it.
Back to the FS830.
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Hy, this is my keyword:
I mount the Fork. If you see in the attached picture, there is no collision with the Frame.
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Other than that I see this process as a simple goods transaction and it looks like people want a white glove LBS service.
Why do people feel the need to convolute the extremes as if that makes their point much more viable. Since when was lying cheating and stealing a close neighbor of white glove LBS service. You expect the worst and such are never disappointed. What a way to live and to transact. The rest of us expect more and will only do business with those that share our values.
Enjoy your FS830 frame. I hope you don't have the same 831 frame experience as someone on this board breaking their color bone due to poof pivot design.
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Why do people feel the need to convolute the extremes as if that makes their point much more viable. Since when was lying cheating and stealing a close neighbor of white glove LBS service. You expect the worst and such are never disappointed. What a way to live and to transact. The rest of us expect more and will only do business with those that share our values.
When your refund is processed are you going to come back here and tell us how the lying, cheating, and stealing reseller gave you back your money? No, I didn't think so. You're expecting a "Yes sir, right away sir!" from China, I think my expectations are reality. "Share your values" and the Chinese 996 workforce are going to be oil and water unless you condone slave labor.
You ordered one frame, changed to another, and maybe the old frame went to paint and when it was ready they looked at it and said sheeeeeeit... They'll make you one and give you a sweet bottom bracket and a bell as a free gift, it'll just take a few more months and you don't want to wait. I get it, take your money elsewhere you don't have to be such a boomer about it.
Enjoy your FS830 frame. I hope you don't have the same 831 frame experience as someone on this board breaking their color bone due to poof pivot design.
Nope worse, I have an 831 and the linkage issue has been exaggerated. If the beefier rear triangle doesn't work for me I'm looking for something else, probably the FM1002 or even the FM1001. I'm just here out of curiosity to see if the 830 rear triangle has the same roll effect for gorilla shaped humans like me.
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When your refund is processed are you going to come back here and tell us how the lying, cheating, and stealing reseller gave you back your money? No, I didn't think so.
I will be the first to report that here. But I doubt it will be done unless compelled by paypal. Its been days since last message with "you are refunded". then crickets.
You're expecting a "Yes sir, right away sir!" from China, I think my expectations are reality. "Share your values" and the Chinese 996 workforce are going to be oil and water unless you condone slave labor.
I have no I idea what this has to do with topic at hand. I do business with 100+ countries. I have employees in 15 countries. I simply expect honest and direct communications. Has nothing to do with where you live.
You ordered one frame, changed to another, and maybe the old frame went to paint and when it was ready they looked at it and said sheeeeeeit... They'll make you one and give you a sweet bottom bracket and a bell as a free gift, it'll just take a few more months and you don't want to wait. I get it, take your money elsewhere you don't have to be such a boomer about it.
Again your mileage may vary. You seem OK with paying for crappy product and fine with misleading information. Most of us who work hard for their money have a different reaction. Live your life and stop telling others how they should react.
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Hy guys,
Is it ok if i post some technical thinks between, or should i open a new topic?
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Hy guys,
Is it ok if i post some technical thinks between, or should i open a new topic?
Build thread? Unless you want to continue hear grandpa wax nostalgic about concepts he can't put together.
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I don't know if you have them, or were considering anything for it, but I got a set of 3min19sec Matcher I-Spec EV Adapters.
https://www.bike-components.de/en/3min19sec/Matcher-I-Spec-EV-Adapter-p68602/
Seem to be the only available option if you don't want to use the band mounts.
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I don't know if you have them, or were considering anything for it, but I got a set of 3min19sec Matcher I-Spec EV Adapters.
https://www.bike-components.de/en/3min19sec/Matcher-I-Spec-EV-Adapter-p68602/
Seem to be the only available option if you don't want to use the band mounts.
I don’t have, but them seems to be worthfull for me, thx.
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Now this frame totoally got in stock.
The groupbuy order accepted, anyone interested.
Feel free to contact us at any time.
Eddy@haidelibicycle.com
Attached some picture for reference.
Thanks.
Eddy
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I am interested in participating in the group buy of this frame. What are the specific details?
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Has anybody yet ridden one of these bikes and put it through the paces after being built?