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Other Resources => Component Deals & Selection => Topic started by: Tijoe on November 21, 2022, 04:53:57 PM
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Somewhere in the recent past, I saw a discussion on the EDS Chinese 12 speed system. I can't remember it it was on this forum or on MTBR forum.
Has anyone been using this system and have actual experience on their bike?
It appears that since last year, the price has gone up to $420 versus $365 when it was first reviewed on You Tube.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804360237289.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.32fb52c0wRIHuR&algo_pvid=f2a3b164-2de5-4d1b-922b-1a1ed1659a47&algo_exp_id=f2a3b164-2de5-4d1b-922b-1a1ed1659a47-33&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000029561355023%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%21559.99%21419.99%21%21%21%21%21%402101fd4b16690709560357586eb6da%2112000029561355023%21sea&curPageLogUid=nGxn4S9lgFSt
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You can only get these via their Candian reseller (EZBike) who have stock because they are unable to keep selling these right now I believe due to patent infringement. I'm tempted by this and had my eye on it for ages because I really like that I can change the number of gears it can be used for, which is a really good and sensible feature!
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You can only get these via their Candian reseller (EZBike) who have stock because they are unable to keep selling these right now I believe due to patent infringement. I'm tempted by this and had my eye on it for ages because I really like that I can change the number of gears it can be used for, which is a really good and sensible feature!
We, "the public" really don't know why Wheel Top wont/can't sell their EDS in certain regions around the world. We just "assume" that is is a patent infringement by Wheel Top due to a removable battery. Readily available information on the internet supports this is because the latest version or the EDS that Wheel Top is selling has a fixed battery mounted to the derailleur that uses a magnetic charge cable. A few images of an E-bike version where the derailleur is operated off of the E-bike battery has been designed.
If you really want one, order one from Aliexpress. There are 3 or 4 sellers selling the new version. Usually priced at around $375 to $450 USD. I have 4 of the original EDS sets that were all purchased through Aliexpress. I have 3 of them installed on 1 X 12 bikes. To date, I have over 2K miles on one of them, and a few hundred miles each on the other 2 bikes.
On one lesser ridden bike, recently, I somehow had the chain bounce off of the lowest cog and into the gap between the spokes. After this happened, I have been fighting a clicking sound in a few of the gears where the chain is slightly touching the next lower gear. I think that the the chain incident must have slightly bent/tweeked the cage assembly. This could be one weakness of such a precision shifting design.
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...I have been fighting a clicking sound in a few of the gears where the chain is slightly touching the next lower gear...
You could have this if your chainline is boost and shouldn't, or vice versa.
Putting the chain to another angle than expected.
And causing a chain rub.
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You could have this if your chainline is boost and shouldn't, or vice versa.
Putting the chain to another angle than expected.
And causing a chain rub.
It was very well adjusted, shifted crisply, almost too quite, other than the "zoot" sound of the servo/motor every time it shifted for the first 230 miles. Then the chain went off the lowest cog into the spokes and it started the clicking.
One of the issues I saw while pulling the chain out of the gap is that once the load comes off the chain, the cage has a strong spring load that pulls/jams the upper pulley directly into the lowest 50 tooth cog. Since I was climbing up a fairly steep hill, under power, when the chain came off, the cage was pulled, while under load. into the cassette. I suspect that this jamming of the pulley onto the 50 tooth cog, slightly bent the cage out of an exact straight alignment. (I have had similar problems on my XT 12 speed derailleur in the past and spent a lot of time "fine tuning" bending, the cage back into the perfect position.)
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Having the GX AXS at 300-400 USD on sales (e.g. rcz, and some shops), I am not sure what is the appeal of the EDS.
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Having the GX AXS at 300-400 USD on sales (e.g. rcz, and some shops), I am not sure what is the appeal of the EDS.
1. Overall weight is less than the XX1. EDS comparison should be between the X01 and the XX1 versus the AXS.
2. I am tired of SRAM controlling their products and forcing you to purchase new stuff every few years. The EDS OX is a universal derailleur that can be configured to operate on (I believe) 7 to 13 speeds via the smart phone app.
3. I can transfer/swap the rear derailleur and shift pod from one bike to another in about 20 minutes total. No cables to deal with. Then another 10 minutes, if you are changing # of cogs on the cassette, and/or cog ratios by having to adjust the limits.
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But fixed battery weight is increase.
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But fixed battery weight is increase.
Any idea how many gram were added?
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Looking at grabbing one of the EDS systems soon, Anyone familiar with One World Store on AliExpress? Any better deals or more reputable sellers?
http://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805519485487.html (http://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805519485487.html)
Comes with a cassette/chain, figure they'd "ok" to get through the winter. then grab something nicer.
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I purchased 2 of the similar sets with the removable battery back in June for $274 each when they were closing out the old style. I didn't need the chain and cassette because I use Microspline cassettes. Seems like a decent price, but if you are not in a rush, you might wait until 11-11 sale and see if someone sells them for less.
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I purchased 2 of the similar sets with the removable battery back in June for $274 each when they were closing out the old style. I didn't need the chain and cassette because I use Microspline cassettes. Seems like a decent price, but if you are not in a rush, you might wait until 11-11 sale and see if someone sells them for less.
I probably will wait until 11-11 to see if anything else I'll need for the build is going on sale. Planning on building a Light Carbon 918 with LC bars and wheels, RS shock, Wren fork, the EDS and some Magura MT Trail brakes.
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I like that the EDS also uses a 93mm cage which means you can use the garbaruk replacement cage with it and make it a bit lighter too. I've just bought new wheels but EDS is defo on my hit list. @tijoe how is the performance and how much ride time do you get out of a charge in reality? My AXS mech battery lasted about 700 miles before I would charge it, the shifter battery lasted an eternity.
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Having the GX AXS at 300-400 USD on sales (e.g. rcz, and some shops), I am not sure what is the appeal of the EDS.
In addition to what others have mentioned.... the tunability through the app is a draw to me as well. I would love to put one of these on my wife's bike (currently 1x11 Shimano SLX). Electronic shifting without needing to update wheels/cassettes/chains/etc.
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In addition to what others have mentioned.... the tunability through the app is a draw to me as well. I would love to put one of these on my wife's bike (currently 1x11 Shimano SLX). Electronic shifting without needing to update wheels/cassettes/chains/etc.
Yeah that is also my attraction. I don't want a new bike to fit newer standards right now and having something like this ticks that box for me and even works up to 12spd in the future if I go that way again. Plus, wireless stuff is nice and easy to change over from one bike to another which is even better given this works on basically all common cassette types. The downside is the reliably gamble. AXS has lots of long term reviews and I can vouch for it myself so if this lives up to it, then I think its the way to go for sure.
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Spotted this earlier today, road groupset maybe someday;
https://sundappledforest.wordpress.com/2023/11/16/wheeltop-teases-the-road-version-of-the-eds/?fbclid=IwAR2bauKkGDjxWd7QB8gabeeP5r1NsovOOnnYXTaXwAqQdo1B8E1mJqVmGXA
Also, there is a facebook group dedicated to the WheelTop EDS but not many people using it so far.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/wheeltopeds/
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Got my mtn spec EDS today.
After an hour or so of fiddling with the app I finally seemed to get it dialed in.
Will ride it this weekend and report back.
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The road version?
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Twitter using the road group on some of their bikes for 2024:
https://www.bpowerhk.com/product-page/twitter-r12-pro-2x13-speeds-wireless-eds-tx-eletronic-carbon-disc-road-bike?lang=zh
Listing a 13-speed 11-32 cassette from Sunshine.
Weights:
Shifters: 428g
FD: 185g (500mAh battery)
RD: 319g (800mAh battery)
Calipers + lines: 331g
Upgrade kit: 1,263g
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/k6QjJLVYM3sBrHVQ/
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Took my MTB out this morning for the maiden voyage with the WT EDS.
Ride was 16 miles, temperature varied from 28 to 40 degrees.
The battery reading in the garage before loading up was 100% after the 2 hour long ride and drive home, 85%.
System seemed to work almost flawlessly the entire ride.
Towards the end of the ride the system was deciding it didn’t want to go into one of the middle gears coming down, but would gladly pop right back up to it on the next UP button push. An inconvenience that I will investigate that later on.
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I've been building my FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm FRAMED FS frame and am using an EDS OX. This is the 4th of these derailleurs I have mounted on my 29er hardtails. Initially I ran into the derailleur not fitting at all on the UHD used on the frame. I modified the frame and ground the derailleur down some to get the derailleur to fit.
Once I assembled the bike enough to put a chain on, I spent about 2 hours trying to get the EDS OX to shift across the gears. No matter how I adjusted the "B" screw or trimmed the cage, it would not shift down to the 12th, 10 tooth cog. Today I was able to install a derailleur hanger extension and was able to finally get the derailleur to shift through all the gears and shift smoothly.
Close observation of the FRAMED Frame revealed that the UDH sits about 1/2" (12mm) farther back behind the axle center line than the hangers on my other bikes. This positional relationship between the derailleur top pulley and the 10 cog creates a 2" (50mm) open section of chain that flexes too much to allow the derailleur to shift down into the highest cog.
When I added the extender, and then rotated it such that the top cage pulley sits in front of the axle center line, this allows the chain to shift into the lowest gear. I am suspecting that the Design of this frame is at fault where they chose to mount the UDH so it sits farther back behind the axle than it should. SRAM wouldn't do this intentionally would they?
Has anyone else encounter shifting difficulties due to the position of their UDH?
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I've been building my FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm FRAMED FS frame and am using an EDS OX. This is the 4th of these derailleurs I have mounted on my 29er hardtails. Initially I ran into the derailleur not fitting at all on the UHD used on the frame. I modified the frame and ground the derailleur down some to get the derailleur to fit.
Once I assembled the bike enough to put a chain on, I spent about 2 hours trying to get the EDS OX to shift across the gears. No matter how I adjusted the "B" screw or trimmed the cage, it would not shift down to the 12th, 10 tooth cog. Today I was able to install a derailleur hanger extension and was able to finally get the derailleur to shift through all the gears and shift smoothly.
Close observation of the FRAMED Frame revealed that the UDH sits about 1/2" (12mm) farther back behind the axle center line than the hangers on my other bikes. This positional relationship between the derailleur top pulley and the 10 cog creates a 2" (50mm) open section of chain that flexes too much to allow the derailleur to shift down into the highest cog.
When I added the extender, and then rotated it such that the top cage pulley sits in front of the axle center line, this allows the chain to shift into the lowest gear. I am suspecting that the Design of this frame is at fault where they chose to mount the UDH so it sits farther back behind the axle than it should. SRAM wouldn't do this intentionally would they?
Has anyone else encounter shifting difficulties due to the position of their UDH?
I'd suggest taking this up with FlyBike Asia directly - not Carbonda. There should be guidelines for UDH that they follow.
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Twitter using the road group on some of their bikes for 2024:
https://www.bpowerhk.com/product-page/twitter-r12-pro-2x13-speeds-wireless-eds-tx-eletronic-carbon-disc-road-bike?lang=zh
Listing a 13-speed 11-32 cassette from Sunshine.
Weights:
Shifters: 428g
FD: 185g (500mAh battery)
RD: 319g (800mAh battery)
Calipers + lines: 331g
Upgrade kit: 1,263g
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/k6QjJLVYM3sBrHVQ/
Pricing looks great for a complete bike. Twitter trying the waterproof test...hopefully works better than the Ltwoo
https://youtube.com/shorts/wkfYNAXp9TY?si=mQd0FErgjqHLtGEF
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Thats a little reassuring. Ofc, the main problem with ltwoo water issues seems to be the cable plug, which is obviously one possible point of failure thats eliminated here.
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Is the battery serviceable? In case there are problems with the battery? Not removable in general can solve waterproofing issues but how about long term serviceability?
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Has to be replacable, just not quick swappable like sram
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Since the EDS has 13s capability, has anyone found many options for a 13speed cassette that ISN'T HG or Campi? Specifically hoping to find something in 10-52 XD.
I sent have a couple messages to ZTTO about their HG 11-51 13s cassette asking if it will ever be available in XD but haven't heard back.
I don't need 13 speeds, my 12speed 10-52 xx1 cassette is just fine, but hey, if I have the "room" for 13, why not try it right?
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I wish I could find a 10-52 13 speed in Micro-spline, then I could try the same thing as you. You could contact Rotor, they make a "silly expensive" lightweight 13 speed cassette, but it is HG based.
https://rotoramerica.com/products/13-speed-cassette
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I like that the EDS also uses a 93mm cage which means you can use the garbaruk replacement cage with it and make it a bit lighter too. I've just bought new wheels but EDS is defo on my hit list. @tijoe how is the performance and how much ride time do you get out of a charge in reality? My AXS mech battery lasted about 700 miles before I would charge it, the shifter battery lasted an eternity.
Which cage are you talking about here? Thinking about trying this out and don't know that I need the cage bling, but curious what it's compatible with.
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Which cage are you talking about here? Thinking about trying this out and don't know that I need the cage bling, but curious what it's compatible with.
The actual cage from Garbaruk is this one: https://www.garbaruk.com/rear-derailleur-cage-for-sram-11-12-speed.html?category=15
The reason I wanted to try putting it on if i got EDS is that for the actual sram AXS GX derailleur, if you fit this cage it makes it weight less than their XX1 AXS derailleur but costs a fraction of the price. You can find knock-off cages on Aliexpress, i bought one and have had nothing bad to say about it. Here is an example of the one fitted to my Cannondale: https://shorturl.at/BGNW9