EDS electronic rear Derailleur

[Crash217]

Spotted this earlier today, road groupset maybe someday;

https://sundappledforest.wordpress.com/2023/11/16/wheeltop-teases-the-road-version-of-the-eds/?fbclid=IwAR2bauKkGDjxWd7QB8gabeeP5r1NsovOOnnYXTaXwAqQdo1B8E1mJqVmGXA

Also, there is a facebook group dedicated to the WheelTop EDS but not many people using it so far.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/wheeltopeds/

[Crash217]

Got my mtn spec EDS today.

After an hour or so of fiddling with the app I finally seemed to get it dialed in.

Will ride it this weekend and report back.

[raisinberry777]

The road version?

[raisinberry777]

Twitter using the road group on some of their bikes for 2024:

https://www.bpowerhk.com/product-page/twitter-r12-pro-2x13-speeds-wireless-eds-tx-eletronic-carbon-disc-road-bike?lang=zh

Listing a 13-speed 11-32 cassette from Sunshine.

Weights:
Shifters: 428g
FD: 185g (500mAh battery)
RD: 319g (800mAh battery)
Calipers + lines: 331g
Upgrade kit: 1,263g
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/k6QjJLVYM3sBrHVQ/

[Crash217]

Took my MTB out this morning for the maiden voyage with the WT EDS.

Ride was 16 miles, temperature varied from 28 to 40 degrees.

The battery reading in the garage before loading up was 100% after the 2 hour long ride and drive home, 85%.

System seemed to work almost flawlessly the entire ride.

Towards the end of the ride the system was deciding it didn’t want to go into one of the middle gears coming down, but would gladly pop right back up to it on the next UP button push. An inconvenience that I will investigate that later on.

[Tijoe]

I've been building my FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm FRAMED FS frame and am using an EDS OX.  This is the 4th of these derailleurs I have mounted on my 29er hardtails. Initially I ran into the derailleur not fitting at all on the UHD used on the frame.  I modified the frame and ground the derailleur down some to get the derailleur to fit.
Once I assembled the bike enough to put a chain on, I spent about 2 hours trying to get the EDS OX to shift across the gears.  No matter how I adjusted the "B" screw or trimmed the cage, it would not shift down to the 12th, 10 tooth cog.   Today I was able to install a derailleur hanger extension and was able to finally get the derailleur to shift through all the gears and shift smoothly.   

Close observation of the FRAMED Frame revealed that the UDH sits about 1/2" (12mm) farther back behind the axle center line than the hangers on my other bikes.  This positional relationship between the derailleur top pulley and the 10 cog creates a 2" (50mm) open section of chain that flexes too much to allow the derailleur to shift down into the highest cog.   

When I added the extender, and then rotated it such that the top cage pulley sits in front of the axle center line, this allows the chain to shift into the lowest gear.    I am suspecting that the Design of this frame is at fault where they chose to mount the UDH so it sits farther back behind the axle than it should.  SRAM wouldn't do this intentionally would they?

Has anyone else encounter shifting difficulties due to the position of their UDH?

[RDY]

I've been building my FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm FRAMED FS frame and am using an EDS OX.  This is the 4th of these derailleurs I have mounted on my 29er hardtails. Initially I ran into the derailleur not fitting at all on the UHD used on the frame.  I modified the frame and ground the derailleur down some to get the derailleur to fit.
Once I assembled the bike enough to put a chain on, I spent about 2 hours trying to get the EDS OX to shift across the gears.  No matter how I adjusted the "B" screw or trimmed the cage, it would not shift down to the 12th, 10 tooth cog.   Today I was able to install a derailleur hanger extension and was able to finally get the derailleur to shift through all the gears and shift smoothly.   

Close observation of the FRAMED Frame revealed that the UDH sits about 1/2" (12mm) farther back behind the axle center line than the hangers on my other bikes.  This positional relationship between the derailleur top pulley and the 10 cog creates a 2" (50mm) open section of chain that flexes too much to allow the derailleur to shift down into the highest cog.   

When I added the extender, and then rotated it such that the top cage pulley sits in front of the axle center line, this allows the chain to shift into the lowest gear.    I am suspecting that the Design of this frame is at fault where they chose to mount the UDH so it sits farther back behind the axle than it should.  SRAM wouldn't do this intentionally would they?

Has anyone else encounter shifting difficulties due to the position of their UDH?

I'd suggest taking this up with FlyBike Asia directly - not Carbonda.  There should be guidelines for UDH that they follow.

[jcr]

Twitter using the road group on some of their bikes for 2024:

https://www.bpowerhk.com/product-page/twitter-r12-pro-2x13-speeds-wireless-eds-tx-eletronic-carbon-disc-road-bike?lang=zh

Listing a 13-speed 11-32 cassette from Sunshine.

Weights:
Shifters: 428g
FD: 185g (500mAh battery)
RD: 319g (800mAh battery)
Calipers + lines: 331g
Upgrade kit: 1,263g
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/k6QjJLVYM3sBrHVQ/

Pricing looks great for a complete bike. Twitter trying the waterproof test...hopefully works better than the Ltwoo

https://youtube.com/shorts/wkfYNAXp9TY?si=mQd0FErgjqHLtGEF

[toxin]

Thats a little reassuring. Ofc, the main problem with ltwoo water issues seems to be the cable plug, which is obviously one possible point of failure thats eliminated here.

[jcr]

Is the battery serviceable? In case there are problems with the battery? Not removable in general can solve waterproofing issues but how about long term serviceability?

[toxin]

Has to be replacable, just not quick swappable like sram

[Crash217]

Since the EDS has 13s capability, has anyone found many options for a 13speed cassette that ISN'T HG or Campi?     Specifically hoping to find something in 10-52 XD.

I sent have a couple messages to ZTTO about their HG 11-51 13s cassette asking if it will ever be available in XD but haven't heard back.

I don't need 13 speeds, my 12speed 10-52 xx1 cassette is just fine, but hey, if I have the "room" for 13, why not try it right?

[Tijoe]

I wish I could find a 10-52 13 speed in Micro-spline, then I could try the same thing as you.  You could contact Rotor, they make a "silly expensive" lightweight 13 speed cassette, but it is HG based.

https://rotoramerica.com/products/13-speed-cassette

[wafflenator]

I like that the EDS also uses a 93mm cage which means you can use the garbaruk replacement cage with it and make it a bit lighter too. I've just bought new wheels but EDS is defo on my hit list. @tijoe how is the performance and how much ride time do you get out of a charge in reality? My AXS mech battery lasted about 700 miles before I would charge it, the shifter battery lasted an eternity.

Which cage are you talking about here? Thinking about trying this out and don't know that I need the cage bling, but curious what it's compatible with.

[nicklej]

Which cage are you talking about here? Thinking about trying this out and don't know that I need the cage bling, but curious what it's compatible with.

The actual cage from Garbaruk is this one: https://www.garbaruk.com/rear-derailleur-cage-for-sram-11-12-speed.html?category=15

The reason I wanted to try putting it on if i got EDS is that for the actual sram AXS GX derailleur, if you fit this cage it makes it weight less than their XX1 AXS derailleur but costs a fraction of the price. You can find knock-off cages on Aliexpress, i bought one and have had nothing bad to say about it. Here is an example of the one fitted to my Cannondale: https://shorturl.at/BGNW9