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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: Jim.de on February 01, 2022, 06:38:00 AM
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Hi there,
does anyone have any information about these frames?
Couldn´t find any posts on them. Pictures would be appreciated too (frames look nice, but couldn´t find builds).
Cheers
Jim
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Hi there,
does anyone have any information about these frames?
Couldn´t find any posts on them. Pictures would be appreciated too (frames look nice, but couldn´t find builds).
Cheers
Jim
I think the 236 and 268 'race' bikes are by far their most popular frames outside China (dunno about Chinese market). Think a few people buy their gravel stuff too. Never really heard anything about the endurance ones you're interested in, or their MTB stuff - though the new XC / down country framesets have caught some attention.
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Also their newly listed WCB-R-369 looks pretty interesting. Aero and 32mm clearance.
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The Workswell WCB-R-366 looks interesting... and also pretty nice.
It doesnt have the tall stack of other endurance frame. Looks more race oriented to me. It has a high potential for quite a bit of tire clearance given the Axle to crown distance in the fork and the T47 bb shell. Could be interesting if anyone could get them to send an engineering drawing to see how much it can clear. Seat stays could be the limiting factor though.
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I own a 268 - one of the first I guess, since then there were some changes in the handlebar and fork (i like my handlebar..)
The quality of the frame is hard to tell just by eye ;D
What I could see from the inner parts looked very neetly manufactured.
There's a German bike selling company, that sells Workswell frames also one of the gravels. "Racextract" is their name.
And "benotti" bikes sells the 268.
From my side I am very happy with my 268. Has 2000km on the road and almost 10000km on the power trainer. Since it didn't collapse right now, I guess that's a good sign. On the road I hit some very bad pottholes and nothing happened.
Guess they are not the cheapest around... but I don't remember exactly how much I had to pay. Roughly 1000€ for frame, handlebar, seatpost, headset, chameleon paint, shipping and taxes. But that was in summer 2019....
The chameleon turned out to be much darker than expected from the photos.. this is maybe the only thing that is not perfect .
Instead of purple gold it's black with slight purple gold shimmer on top..
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1k for a frame (hbar) is a bit steep i will admit compared to velobuild but glad its working well for you!
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1k for a frame (hbar) is a bit steep i will admit compared to velobuild but glad its working well for you!
It's completely internal with an integrated cockpit, right? And as I wrote this was the sum for everything, all parts , painting, shipping, taxes
For my downcountry frame i paid a lot more recently.
The bare 268 frame was of course a lot cheaper. I don't think going with e.g. a comparable Carbonda will be cheaper ...
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That seems extremely high compared with what I've been quoted by WorksWell in the past. Whilst not as cheap as Velobuild or TanTan, I'd say they were broadly similar to DengFu. Cheaper than ICAN. Maybe they drastically increased prices though.
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That seems extremely high compared with what I've been quoted by WorksWell in the past. Whilst not as cheap as Velobuild or TanTan, I'd say they were broadly similar to DengFu. Cheaper than ICAN. Maybe they drastically increased prices though.
There must be something wrong in my communication
I said it is the sum of everything, and then I had to pay taxes since I took EMS for my first frameset.
The Carbonda 707 is even slightly more expensive with currently700 for the same amount of material (got this information from another forum).
I looked up the old invoice. If you still say it's much more expensive I give up.
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I saw your post. Yes it's very expensive compared with quotes I received 18 months ago. I wondered if you were being gouged, but I guess they've just raised prices a lot.
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I saw your post. Yes it's very expensive compared with quotes I received 18 months ago. I wondered if you were being gouged, but I guess they've just raised prices a lot.
Usually new stuff is more expensive at the beginning, I would guess not uncommon. Other framesets were cheaper, but I was aiming for the geometry of the 268, low front, but short.
I don't think i have been gouged.i received one of the first 268 frames. I paid in June '18 a predeposit, paid the full price after it has been painted d received it November '18. So much earlier than your request.
How expensive was it in your quote? Was it 268?
When I asked for a Hardtail frame last year I had the feeling, that new models were more expensive than older ones.
Although I don't need a new frame, but if it has come cheaper maybe it's an idea for a friend.
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Workswell quoted me US$799 + $259 shipping for a WCB-R-136 last year (inc. bar/seatpost). I guess some of their frames are just more expensive than the likes of Velobuild. Nice looking paint job Pedaldancer!
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As this discussion moves more into frames from Workswell rather than just the two aboved mentioned, I changed the subject of this thread.
I have some informations about the WCB-R-366 and WCB-R-358 frames. They plan availability in the next half year. So probably the same goes for the WCB-R-369.
They gave me also informations about the WCB-R-316.
Weight :
Frame: 1020±10g (size 54cm)
Fork: 430±15g
Seatpost : 200±10g
EXW Price:
WCB-R-316=749USD （include: frame, fork, seatpost, clamp; black matte/glossy finish)
Front and rear thru axles=28USD
Headset+spacers=20USD
Regarding the handlebar to fit this frame, we have two version for your checking:
1. Integrated handlebar with stem WHB-027 size: 400*90/400*100/420*100/420*110/420*120/440*110/440*120mm
2. WHB-026 handlebar Size: 400/420/440mm
WSC-012 stem Size：90/100/110/120mm
EXW Price:
WHB-027=149USD
WHB-056=89USD
WSC-012=69USD
Shipping cost to Germany by WXY include tax line=249USD (Include tax, transit time: 15-30 working days)
So overall more expensive than VB or TanTan. But I have to say, the costumer support seems to be much better.
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I actually just realised that the WCB-R-268 frame discussed in this thread is (as far as I can see) the same frame as a Velobuild VB-R-099. The frame looks identical and the geometry table is identical, although the shape of the fork looks somewhat different.
The VB-R-099 is $499 (plus $117 shipping), including integrated handlebar, axles, seat post and spare derailleur hanger/headset spacers. That's like 40% less than a Workswell WCB-R-268! Certainly makes me question Workswell pricing. Personally I had a very positive experience with Velobuild. My many questions were answered quickly. The frame/wheels were shipped within 48 hours of ordering and they arrived with me in the UK in less than 3 weeks.
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I actually just realised that the WCB-R-268 frame discussed in this thread is (as far as I can see) the same frame as a Velobuild VB-R-099. The frame looks identical and the geometry table is identical, although the shape of the fork looks somewhat different.
The VB-R-099 is $499 (plus $117 shipping), including integrated handlebar, axles, seat post and spare derailleur hanger/headset spacers. That's like 40% less than a Workswell WCB-R-268! Certainly makes me question Workswell pricing. Personally I had a very positive experience with Velobuild. My many questions were answered quickly. The frame/wheels were shipped within 48 hours of ordering and they arrived with me in the UK in less than 3 weeks.
:o that's very cheap ..499 for frame and handlebar. Crazy. At least the geometry is the same. Don't mind if the fork is a bit different, I think that's a cheap way of creating some variation in the design. Nice shot!
But .. the size 46 has been cut away. >:( that's my size.. ;D. I am not so small... but i have a different handlebar and it came with 100mm reach instead of 80. That's why i took 46. Overall that's great cause the position on the center of the bar is quite relaxed. So I am still happy ;D.
By the way.. I would buy it again. Also at Workswell. ;D I lost a screw of the derailleur hanger last summer and Stephie immediately sent me photos of the correct screw.
But cheaper is of course attracting me 8)
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The WCB-R-369 and WCB-R-366 frames looks really nice. Once launched they'll probably be the most modern open mould frames out there in terms of tube profile and T47 BB. Question is, will Velobuild also sell it? The Workswell margin sure works well for them...
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My friend and I bought matching WCB-R-081 Workswell frames back in 2018 (what became the WCB-R-226) and were very happy with them. Mine developed what was possibly a hairline crack in the head tube and Workswell replaced the frame for me under their 2 yr warranty program. Communication was a bit slot at times but it comes with the territory. I would recommend them to someone looking into buying one of their frames.
I've since replaced my Workswell road bike with the Velobuild 168 and have been very happy with it so far.
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I got some 2D drawings from Workswell on the 366. Very comparable tire clearance to the Carbonda 1056 if you are looking for second option. The fork looks to be the limiting factor.
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I have this one: workswell wcb-r-039, so far no problems but here is the Durianrider and his expirience with this frame!!www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8k0wtCWvB4&ab_channel=AskDurianrider:)
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I have this one: workswell wcb-r-039, so far no problems but here is the Durianrider and his expirience with this frame!!www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8k0wtCWvB4&ab_channel=AskDurianrider:)
Pragma was made by Workswell?
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So anyone know/ would recommend Workswell? Ive heard alot of people saythey are good waulity but overpriced, others saying their products are of really bad quality, so does anyone have a review/experience they can share? Long term experience would be helpful
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So anyone know/ would recommend Workswell? Ive heard alot of people saythey are good waulity but overpriced, others saying their products are of really bad quality, so does anyone have a review/experience they can share? Long term experience would be helpful
The Schmolke KOM is a rebranded Workswell WCB-R-093
They might be priced at the higher end but their operation feels legitimate and dependable to me which is not always the case for open mould
I got some 2D drawings from Workswell on the 366. Very comparable tire clearance to the Carbonda 1056 if you are looking for second option. The fork looks to be the limiting factor.
Their site has real pics (https://www.workswellbikes.com/endurance/wcb-r-366(disc-brake).html) now, looks very good imo
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I'm riding WCB-R-093 frame from 2017. Frame has good quality, but it is too light (little bit flexy rear end even with my 125 lbs, frame size 48). I rode probably 30k on the road and about 10-15k on my trainer. I had couple of crashes, including nasty one, broke handlebar and seatpost, but frame is OK. Good communications with Workswell, but initially it took them about 2 months longer to produce my frame.
Also right now I'm looking for thir WCB-R-316 frame for newer build. They quoted me with this numbers:
- Normal weight Frame size 54cm around 1100±40g
- Normal weight Fork weight around 460±10g
- Super weight Frame size 54cm around 860±40g
- Super weight Fork weight around 400±10g
- WCB-R-306 Full internal cable routing Normal weight Frame =769USD(Include:frame, fork, seatpost,clamp. Finish: black matte/glossy)
- WCB-R-316 Full internal cable routing Super Light weight Frame =879USD(Include:frame, fork, seatpost,clamp. Finish: black matte/glossy)
- WXY Shipping costs to EU include the VAT taxes =247USD
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Biggest problem with Workswell is that aside from their endurance frames, the vast majority of their portfolio is now indefinitely suspended for sales to individuals. So not very useful for us.
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The Schmolke KOM is a rebranded Workswell WCB-R-093
Their site has real pics (https://www.workswellbikes.com/endurance/wcb-r-366(disc-brake).html) now, looks very good imo
Well.. that's interesting ... isn't Schmolke pretending to engineer everything on their own? ::)
Besides.. still happy with my WCB-R-268. 4000km outside now and 12000km on Zwift. It's definitely really rigid. Not a very comfortable bike. ;) the handlebar is quite flexy, my contact at Workswell told me that this had been changed later to more rigid design due to customer complaints...however for me it's good, since the bike itself is quite stiff and at least the handlebar gives a bit of shock dampening.
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Also their newly listed WCB-R-369 looks pretty interesting. Aero and 32mm clearance.
The site has real pics (https://www.workswellbikes.com/race/wcb-r-369.html) of the 369 now
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The site has real pics (https://www.workswellbikes.com/race/wcb-r-369.html) of the 369 now
That we're not allowed to buy :)
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Hi there,
Recently my steerer area developed a very bad groaning sound.
I already tried cleaning everything, maybe I need to exchange the bearings ???. Fully internal routing means a lot of work... however, I can't continue riding like this.
Unfortunately I was to stupid to make a short note which bearings must be used. I know it's 52mm OD , 8mm for the upper and 7mm for the lower one and 45°/45°. Is the inner diameter the common 40?
I used the workswell headset, I think the FSA or Acros style is not fitting to the Workswell handlebar. I compared both types of spacers and it's not compatible. Otherwise I would just exchange everything with FSA..also because I don't really like the compression half ring.. its to stiff to really clamp the fork.
What are you guys using for that?
I have a 268 by the way.
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Any updates about WCB-R-369 production state? Do they have any plans to sell it to the customers in near future?
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My Info is that M Size is available.
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So almost all endurance frames are under an embargo in europe.
The 306 is not (at least not in germany).
So for me the speeder sc r48d , the workswell 306 and yoeleo r11 are similarly priced. (Around 1.1k eur).
Vb177 is like 400 eur cheaper.
Is there a clear winner?
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306 is under embargo in USA, Thailand, France AFAIK
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So almost all endurance frames are under an embargo in europe.
The 306 is not (at least not in germany).
So for me the speeder sc r48d , the workswell 306 and yoeleo r11 are similarly priced. (Around 1.1k eur).
Vb177 is like 400 eur cheaper.
Is there a clear winner?
I had a pretty bad experience with Velobuild. I would assume, that the other companys are more professional, have a better customer support etc. I would go for the geo you like the most, after that definately the best looking frame.
What size are you looking for?
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I had a pretty bad experience with Velobuild. I would assume, that the other companys are more professional, have a better customer support etc. I would go for the geo you like the most, after that definately the best looking frame.
What size are you looking for?
So szies are ranging from 490-540 because their charts are quite heterogeneous.
I specifically chose these frames because on most i can get to the 400reach with 540 stack recommendation by my fitter. Or at least i can get close. Reach will be achieved by a longer stem and i can easily go a bit lower regarding the stack.
All these frames are more or less the same, on the lighter side and not really aero.
Thanks for your input regarding VB. They are my least preferred option.
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Does anyone know, what exact axles dimension is used in WCB-R-306 frame? Instead of ordering original axles I want to buy a lighter version
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I think I found the US seller of the 306 if anyone's interested: https://boltcuttercycles.com/collections/arpeggio/products/arpeggio-road-frameset-fools-gold-pre-order
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The 8bar Kronprinz Carbon V2 (https://8bar-bikes.com/shop/8bar-kronprinz-carbon-v2-road-dropbar) looks like the WCB-R-366
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The 8bar Kronprinz Carbon V2 (https://8bar-bikes.com/shop/8bar-kronprinz-carbon-v2-road-dropbar) looks like the WCB-R-366
Except the very odd brake caliper on a so thin seatstay :o, but the picture seems heavily photoshoped anyway.
The 8bar looks like this one too https://www.flybike-asia.com/product/145.html
I tried to get it from Carbonda for me, but it is taken by a brand.
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i am building up a wcb-r-306 frame with a shimano 105 di2 and 50mm rims
the frame looks good only the seatpost clamp is not my favorite i want to cover it with seatpost cover and have buy a specialized sl7 cover but it is to small,
the seatpost self is not the problem only the wedge is to long for this cover,
does anyone know a cover that fits ?