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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: jfcb on May 30, 2025, 02:28:58 AM
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I noticed Yoeleo updated their G21 gravel frame and called it now Altera G21.
https://www.yoeleobike.com/collections/gravel-frame/products/altera-g21-gravel-frameset (https://www.yoeleobike.com/collections/gravel-frame/products/altera-g21-gravel-frameset)
Though the pricing is on the higher side (as from 1,420USD), it has a lot of features I notice people on this forum are looking for.
Specs:- 53mm tyre clearance
- UDH compatible
- T47 Bottom bracket
- top tube and down tube storage cages
- options to have a fork with or w/o mounts
I'm curious to hear people's experience of the old G21 or in the near future of this new version.
Knowing Yoeleo, I assume they will also send out some frames to some influencers soon. @Patliean1: Do they still have your address? ;D ;)
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From my perspective you get the same with the GR201 frameset but for less like 500? USD.
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Strange combination of very low stack and slack head tube angle. And HT/ST angle all over the place when changing between sizes.
Why does nobody make 74/71.5 with a little more stack, large tire clearance, udh and BSA or T47 bottom bracket?
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I got one of these currently in transit. The frame should arrive mid next week.
Having owned the previous G21 gravel frame from Yoeleo, I can say it is freaking rock solid. I found the overall ride to be a tad more refined than my GR201. But perhaps it's just placebo. The geometry worked great for me too.
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It's a great frame appropriately priced for Yoeleo's standing in the market.
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And what 'is' it?
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And what 'is' it?
The Velobuild gravel bike costs around $500—roughly a third of the price of comparable frames that likely use the same T800 carbon and offer similar build quality. Sure, you might get a few extra features with higher-end options, like downtube protection, storage mounts, or a flashier paint job. But the same argument applies to most Western brands.
In the end, it all comes down to market positioning. A higher price point creates a perception of a more premium product, and that’s exactly what some customers are looking for. They aren’t willing to pay Western brand prices but still want something more distinctive than the cheapest generic frames from Asia.
This all said , my intention of this topic is to understand how well the frame rides and how well the build quality is rather than discuss the pricing.
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A lot educated guesses around I won’t comment.
It’s becoming a bit dogmatic kind of forum where some define what is value and what not…
So back to topic
I got the Altera frameset here with seatpost/handlebar for around 1400,-
Packaging is v.good…quite the new standard.
Instructions are really thorough and useful, never saw kind of such details with western brands…no chinglish!
So is the box with all these small parts.
T47 interface is faced and no paint overlap
Painting is amazing…
So far so good…
Size 58 with internal boxes and rear axle and all those screws around 1350g
Communication with Yoeleo was Fast and responsive.
Looking forward to buil it up
Cheers
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Using influencers is cheaper and more cost effective than traditional marketing outlets. Especially for smaller brands.
I'm grateful to have partnered with almost every single beloved and budget-minded brand in this forum at some point. From VeloBuild to TanTan, Light Carbon, Carbon Speed. Heck even Magene. Clearly these brands see value in this arrangement.
We denounce influencers and YouTubers when they market products we personally don't find value in. Makes sense. No harm no foul. When someone like myself has referred now about 30-40 customers to Carbon Speed for wheels purchases, no one takes issue with me being transparent about receiving "free" wheels from Peter in exchange. Because we value his products. But then who exactly are eating the costs of those so-called free wheels?
I'm going to keep repeating these talking points:
1. We each our entitled to our own subjective opinions. How we choose to spend our money does not make us more or less virtuous than the next person.
2. Brand cache is a real thing. Completely irrespective of value. This past weekend one of the more highly regarded racers on my club asked for my advice on buying a 2nd set of wheels for race day. He doesn't have time to waste on internet forums for hours each day like myself. So you can imagine me trying to recommend Carbon Speed fell on deaf ears. In the end he's going to purchase a set of wheels from, ironically, Yoeleo. He said because Yoeleo has been proven here in Chicago among other race clubs. And he loves the price point. Who am I tell him how to spend his money?
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The brands prey on people who mistakenly believe that these influencers are providing an unbiased review. Sure you can buy ads on Facebook to tell the world your $7k titanium frame has magical properties, but for less money you can get an influencers to say it for you ;D
It's similar to Carbon Speed / Velobuild / TanTan. Three value leading brands in this space. I'm sure these brands are probably gaining satisfactory marketshare organically simply from free customer word of mouth. Yet here I am preying on people with my influencing.
Does someone like Peter from Carbon Speed need my influencing and allegedly bias review to sell his products? Highly unlikely. But is a net return of even 15 new customers in exchange for a set of wheels a shrewd marketing risk? You can ask him yourself.
We have to call it both ways. If we discredit brands using influencers to sell $7,000 titanium frames then we need to keep the same energy for brands using the same tactics for $800 frames/wheels. Because I get just as many accusations of being an communist paid shill for promoting $800 Chinese frames as I do featuring western brands on my channel. Both extreme sides of the price spectrum have insufferable loyalists. That's life in general.
I'll end my take on this unfortunate topic divergence by saying much of my success has always been from the support of this forum. Would be great to see more folks in here create helpful media content to aid in people's purchasing decisions. Yoeleo has come a long way in the past 3 years. Quality and customer service has improved. I've called them out on my channel multiple times. Who knew influencing could be used responsibly?
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That’s it what makes me tired of all those un(social) media discussion sites.
Someone starts a thread on topic X….soon after “evangelics of common sense” chime in and
play the same old song again and again…
It’s all ok, velobuild, Tantan or whatsoever…but that was not the question here.
I did also have a look at all those other brands, but I did not find what fit me…design, geometry, gimmicks…etc
And yes, I find it really helpful to scroll through these YT influ. reviews….why not! Cheers Patty!
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Some thoughts on building it up:
As said, packaging is top, kind of new standard!
Extra box with items, screws, spacers…etc
Installation guide in “real” English, very detailed!
Frame/ painting top….t47 interface v.well faced.
Flat top mounts…could have been slightly better…rear without adapter should be fine, with it a bit of sanding. Front ditto.
Boxes on top- and downtube look like being cut out afterwards with “template”. Not sure tough just guessing, but seems reinforced…quite simple open/close mech.
As it’s not a fully compartment option you have to use the bags which sit under and are screwed to the cover.
I find them a bit small…but have no comparison.
I did change the steerer bearings with a stainless steel option, size is 52x40 45/45 … one 7mm, other 8mm
Installation wants you to put 8mm at bottom, but I reversed it, as I found the gap more pleasant the other way round.
And they still use this steerer tube metal spacer where the bottom bearing sits at the fork .
Elsewhere no issues with building it up with my wheeltop EDS TX 2x group.
And I opted for the road bar/stem combo in 400/110.
Cheers…
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Some thoughts on building it up:
As said, packaging is top, kind of new standard!
Extra box with items, screws, spacers…etc
Installation guide in “real” English, very detailed!
Frame/ painting top….t47 interface v.well faced.
Flat top mounts…could have been slightly better…rear without adapter should be fine, with it a bit of sanding. Front ditto.
Boxes on top- and downtube look like being cut out afterwards with “template”. Not sure tough just guessing, but seems reinforced…quite simple open/close mech.
As it’s not a fully compartment option you have to use the bags which sit under and are screwed to the cover.
I find them a bit small…but have no comparison.
I did change the steerer bearings with a stainless steel option, size is 52x40 45/45 … one 7mm, other 8mm
Installation wants you to put 8mm at bottom, but I reversed it, as I found the gap more pleasant the other way round.
And they still use this steerer tube metal spacer where the bottom bearing sits at the fork .
Elsewhere no issues with building it up with my wheeltop EDS TX 2x group.
And I opted for the road bar/stem combo in 400/110.
Cheers…
Thanks for sharing ! The bike looks hot!
I can fully agree to your experience. The packaging of my R11 was a new standard. The additional parts came in an extra box and their quality was pretty high. Everything is just a tad nicer, cleaner.
It doesn't mean others are bad. But Yoeleo really puts a cherry on top.
Enjoy the ride :)
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It begins https://youtu.be/9GqFFc6QM9k?si=rAk0D43WSBLgK_q3
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Just finished my first-look video on the latest G21 Altera frameset. To say I'm impressed with the overall unboxing and fit/finish would be an understatement.
Yoeleo Altera G21 - The ULTIMATE Gravel Bike Contender For 2025!
https://youtu.be/HS2gBrZEsIQ?si=VOFtDS4v6HJDfn2I
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Any new experiences on the frame? Do you think you can run full length mudguards on the Altera when running 8170 2x and 50mm tire?
The tire clearance seems good but the front derailleur is strangely close to the tire on Patrick's video even on 45mm tires. How big you think I can go with 2x? Any chance you could measure the gap Patrick?
I'm riding the Ican X-gravel 2 now Pathfinder Pro 47s at 30 internal wheels measuring 50 and I can just fit a mudguard that's touching the Ultegra front derailleur.
I've tried to research for a frame with all the mounts I need for mudguards and a rack and the Yoeleo seems like the best option even with the mixed ride feel impressions. I'm kind of looking for a bike that rides like a train and can haul heavy cargo. But that I can still chase some koms with it when I feel like.
I ride in icy and snowy conditions 5 months of the year so stability is a plus. I hope they do a black friday sale because I would like to get custom paint too.
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Ah…I doubt it…actually I am running a Tufo Thundero 48 which measures around 49mm at the knobs.
And as you can see on the image…the gap between the FD wheeltop and the tire is roughly 4.5 to 5mm.
So you might be able to run a 50mm tire but I guess you would have to cut away at least parts of the mudguard to fit that on top of the tire.
Not sure though.
Besides that…I am loving it…already set it up with a rear rack…so no annoying need for a humongous saddlebag for bikepacking…
also run it with 35mm Pirelli slicks….fun that was…
Just the storage „bento-boxes“ are not the top of engineering. I mean, everything works fine and all, but you really have to be cautious what you put in there, because the cut out is very narrow. So you might end up with a Tetris game that fit INTO it but you are troubled to get it out again….which sucks. ;D
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Thanks that is helpful. Looks like the wheeltop fd is a bit bulkier than Ultegra so I probably can fit mudguards even if I have to make a small hole there. And I only use them few months of the year anyway when it's cold and wet outside.
I'm thinking of getting the Ortlieb quick rack for it as I'm too lazy to ever to take my non quick rack off it's just so useful with Vaude silkroad rack bag.
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do you recon a race king 2.2 would fit into that frame or 2.25 burts?
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do you recon a race king 2.2 would fit into that frame or 2.25 burts?
Peak Torque G21 Altera tire clearance (https://youtu.be/IojJTFXA4tY?si=TptPKtzaVLItTaVX&t=1014). Looks like a 2.1 is the limit in the rear, which is honestly a bit surprising to me. Those things measure more or less true to the official 53mm clearance, it should be possible to squeeze in a bit more. And he put way bigger tires on the old version.
I've definitely seen a G21 with Race Kings at a race, but I think that was also the old version.
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Peak Torque G21 Altera tire clearance (https://youtu.be/IojJTFXA4tY?si=TptPKtzaVLItTaVX&t=1014). Looks like a 2.1 is the limit in the rear, which is honestly a bit surprising to me. Those things measure more or less true to the official 53mm clearance, it should be possible to squeeze in a bit more. And he put way bigger tires on the old version.
I've definitely seen a G21 with Race Kings at a race, but I think that was also the old version.
Probably just depends the internal of the wheels you are running. This guy for example is running RaceKing 2.2 front and back: https://www.instagram.com/p/DLAt4WZsjPH/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== (https://www.instagram.com/p/DLAt4WZsjPH/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
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Probably just depends the internal of the wheels you are running. This guy for example is running RaceKing 2.2 front and back: https://www.instagram.com/p/DLAt4WZsjPH/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== (https://www.instagram.com/p/DLAt4WZsjPH/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
Good spot. PT is running Classified G42, which is 25 internal while that guy is running Yoeleo wheels which are 23 internal. That difference amounts to about half a mm of measured width on the tire - which would mean being a quarter mm closer to the chainstays each side. That difference isn't much by itself, but combined with perhaps slightly lower tire pressure and looks like it works.
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My G21 Altera frame has just shipped I can do some measurements when it arrives.
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As all my gravel wheels are set up tubeless with sealant, I checked the clearance in a different way.
My current tyres are Tufo 48, and their actual measured width is 48.85 mm, rim is 23mm internal. An 8 mm Allen key just fits on the drive side with no play. On the non-drive side, there is still roughly 1 mm of space.
At the fork, I can fit a 10 mm Allen key on each side, with still about 1–2 mm of additional clearance.
There might be a potential issue with the height of the Race King 2.2, but I can’t check that at the moment.
Overall, there is more tyre clearance than on my Carbonda 696.
no idea how to insert images on this forum :o
https://i.imgur.com/VxkkXJn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qy4PKoj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bhsbzBR.jpg
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So the stated 53mm clearance should be correct as it would leave 6mm of space for both sides. I'm planning to run Thundero HD 48 on 30mm internal rims they should end up 50mm or a bit more measured width.
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I think this bike is almost perfect to me, but I do wish it just had slightly more tire clearance. If it could just fit 2.2 no question with modern rim profiles it would be an instant buy. Might still end up getting one. It has basically the same geo as my cross bike (lower bb) but with way more tire clearance. That is the dream.
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I think this bike is almost perfect to me, but I do wish it just had slightly more tire clearance. If it could just fit 2.2 no question with modern rim profiles it would be an instant buy. Might still end up getting one. It has basically the same geo as my cross bike (lower bb) but with way more tire clearance. That is the dream.
https://youtu.be/IojJTFXA4tY?si=1pD7smceHmh6SbyG (https://youtu.be/IojJTFXA4tY?si=1pD7smceHmh6SbyG)
29x2.25 front
29x2.1 rear
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now updated build of my Altera:
XMCS 53/32 wheelset, RotorUno 1x13 Gravel groupset, 10-46 force XPLR cassette, Dura Ace 170mm with Pass Quest 44t ring,
Winspace Adventure handlebar, Thundero 48 (mess. 51mm)
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Looks good how is the Rotor groupset? Did you weigh the bike?
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I just finished the build during these dark winter days...so not much to say. but as I own 2 more wheeltop groups I am very used to this kind of group/setup.
Compared to wheeltop the new Rotor Hoods/Shifters are quit a bit larger and more pleasant for larger palms.
btw funny...both sides do have 2 shifter buttons.
and the rear derailleur also is refined with a nicer charging port.
brake calipers are the same 2nd gen wheeltop.
shifting setup was easy:
initial setup tune for the 1st gear and from there the rest shifted perfect with the SRAM force 13sp.
the only thing you need to make this work with 13sp on the UDH frame (plus XPLR cassette) is a custom UDH hanger for standard mount derailleurs.
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ah..and yes
weight for this 58cm frame total about 8,8kg
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Finished my build, in summer form with Thundero HD 48mm it should be just under 8.5kg.
I was between 56 and 58 but Yoeleo suggested the 56 so went with it maybe it handles better.
I'm all legs and arms. BB drop is 120mm more than my old gravel bike it handles great.
Lightbicycle WG44
Quick Zephyr SSL 360-110
Ritchey Flexlogic Superlogic
Ultegra Dura-ace GRX mix groupset
Rotor Aldhu Carbon and Power2max for GRX chainrings
180/160mm discs
Titanium bolts almost everywhere
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want to build a a frame using deda superbox spacer.
does anyone know if i can you deda dcr spacer kit (for52mm round) ?
or anyone know if i can use round headset spacer?