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Title: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: zealot128 on June 23, 2025, 07:50:55 AM
Eurobike here in Frankfurt (Germany) has a lot of companies, which Chinertown posters are quite familiar with.

I've made a list of everything that I recognized:


🚲 FRAMES & WHEELS

Anhui Guanting Carbon Fiber Technology (Halle 8.0, H16a)
B2B-only manufacturer with crazy bike designs. No public website available - strictly OEM...

Farsports (Halle 9.0, A45)

Fibertek Composite (Halle 9.0, B45)
Another carbon frame manufacturer from Xiamen.

Hebei Hanglun Technologies (Halle 11.1, C14c)
Titanium frames under the "Hi-Light" brand.

SEKA Bikes (Halle 11.1, B53)

Shandong Taishan Ruibao Composite Material (Halle 11.0, A36)
PARDUS brand frames - seemed to have supplied the Chinese Olympic Cycling Team in 2016. Also connected to UAE Cycling. Possibly manufactures OPEN frames but only offers ODM services.

Shenzhen Chuang Xin Wei Bicycle (Halle 12.0, A04)
JAVA brand bicycles.

Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods (Halle 11.1, A72)
PeterXu from this forum

Xiamen LightCarbon Composite Technology (Halle 9.0, B18)
Hambini's LCR017-D, Gravel frame LCG087-D with suspension and internal storage, another Gravel LCG071-PRO with storage.
Notably omission: LCR018-D which some of us found in the pdf from them -> Will ask them.

Xiamen Winspace Cycling (Halle 11.1, D06)
well known but now very pricy/premium brand.

YISHUN Carbon Composite Technology (Halle 11.1, D20)
Another G015D gravel frame and G1055D with internal storage capabilities.


🔧 ACCESSORIES & DEVICES

Bryton Inc. (Halle 11.1, A01)

 Gardia Radar R300L, budget-friendly Rider 460 gps, and the new Byrton S-Series gps

Chengdu Chendian Intelligent Technology (Halle 11.1, A54)
Cycplus - known from their pump.

Hangzhou Xibu Technology (Halle 11.0, A04)
Produces Rhinowalk cycling bags.

HK Gaciron Tech (Halle 11.1, D14)
I have a light from them so far, new stuff:
Smart lighting solutions including high/low beam headlight with 24-hour maximum runtime and the RAPTOR 50h with 10Ah battery capacity (that's 2 iphone's worth of battery).

iGPSPORT Corporation (Halle 11.1, A06)
radar and cycling computers

Lanxi Wheeltop Cycle Industries (Halle 12.1, D04a)
Wheeltop.

Qingdao Magene Intelligence Technology (Halle 8.0, H13 + Halle 11.1, D15)
Powermeters, C606 cycling computers.

Quanzhou Minshan Import & Export (Halle 11.0, A20)
Nooyah bike transport bags available on AliExpress for around 260 EUR. - already mentioned on this forum.

Shenzhen Coospo Tech (Halle 11.1, C14b)
TR70 radar light with 25-hour battery, HW9 arm heart rate monitor, CS600 computer, and pumps.

S-Ride Bicycle Components (Halle 11.1, D03)
Cheapo brake/shifters: GR680 disc brakes (1x mechanical/hydraulic) and 2x11/13 road shifters. "Innovative cable exchange system that doesn't require tape removal" - let's see about that

Super B Precision Tools (Halle 11.1, D17)
Taiwanese tools, also on Alix

Zhuhai L-twoo Sports Technology (Halle 11.1, B15)
New groupset for time trials an their 3rd generation eRX groupset.


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Anything missing? What you guys want to see?
I plan to make some photos/videos there, as I got a business ticket from a friend's company.
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: Pistonbroke on June 23, 2025, 08:16:20 AM
Awesome!
Interested in all of it, so make sure you put your channel up so we can find it :-)
Looking forward to the fun!
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: patliean1 on June 23, 2025, 08:52:24 AM
I only care about the Evolve Bicycles Cima

Booth 11.1 A38

Their retail is price is pretty high for a premium Chinese frameset. But the frame has actually been Silverstone wind tunnel tested by ex-Specialized engineers. I'm already planning ahead for a long-term road frame for 2026.

https://www.instagram.com/evolvebicycles_/
https://www.evolvebicycles.com/
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: toxin on June 23, 2025, 10:04:14 AM
I'm curious about groupsets, specifically if Magene plan to make satellite shifters and TT parts for theirs. Really doubt there will be much to see that wasn't already at Shanghai or Taipei, most chinese entries are here to show off to get OEM business, but would be nice if we could get more distribution for Chinese parts outside of China.
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: toxin on June 23, 2025, 10:06:05 AM
Oh yeah and there's supposed to be a new Merida (Reacto) around the corner, so hopefully it's there before the tdf.
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: zealot128 on June 23, 2025, 12:17:11 PM
Awesome!
Interested in all of it, so make sure you put your channel up so we can find it :-)
Looking forward to the fun!

Will do - need to create the channel, still :) - Otherwise, check the site mybike.parts - will surely post the videos or blog there.

I only care about the Evolve Bicycles Cima

Booth 11.1 A38

Their retail is price is pretty high for a premium Chinese frameset. But the frame has actually been Silverstone wind tunnel tested by ex-Specialized engineers. I'm already planning ahead for a long-term road frame for 2026.

https://www.instagram.com/evolvebicycles_/
https://www.evolvebicycles.com/

Unfortunately, nothing on their Fair Profile yet (via this danish import shop): https://eurobike.com/frankfurt/de/ausstellersuche/ausstellersuche.detail.html/cyclehubdk.html#downloads - put them into the fav list. Do you already have information on price range, lineup, B2C availabilities?
EDIT: nevermind, found their line-up, about $2k - https://www.evolvebicycles.com/product-category/frame/
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: kubackje on June 23, 2025, 01:04:59 PM
I only care about the Evolve Bicycles Cima

Booth 11.1 A38

Their retail is price is pretty high for a premium Chinese frameset. But the frame has actually been Silverstone wind tunnel tested by ex-Specialized engineers. I'm already planning ahead for a long-term road frame for 2026.

https://www.instagram.com/evolvebicycles_/
https://www.evolvebicycles.com/

If they only offer any nice paintjobs. The ones they have are horrible
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: Rebel_Yell on June 23, 2025, 06:37:46 PM
Eurobike here in Frankfurt (Germany) has a lot of companies, which Chinertown posters are quite familiar with.

I've made a list of everything that I recognized:


🚲 FRAMES & WHEELS

Anhui Guanting Carbon Fiber Technology (Halle 8.0, H16a)
B2B-only manufacturer with crazy bike designs. No public website available - strictly OEM...

Farsports (Halle 9.0, A45)

Fibertek Composite (Halle 9.0, B45)
Another carbon frame manufacturer from Xiamen.

Hebei Hanglun Technologies (Halle 11.1, C14c)
Titanium frames under the "Hi-Light" brand.

SEKA Bikes (Halle 11.1, B53)

Shandong Taishan Ruibao Composite Material (Halle 11.0, A36)
PARDUS brand frames - seemed to have supplied the Chinese Olympic Cycling Team in 2016. Also connected to UAE Cycling. Possibly manufactures OPEN frames but only offers ODM services.

Shenzhen Chuang Xin Wei Bicycle (Halle 12.0, A04)
JAVA brand bicycles.

Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods (Halle 11.1, A72)
PeterXu from this forum

Xiamen LightCarbon Composite Technology (Halle 9.0, B18)
Hambini's LCR017-D, Gravel frame LCG087-D with suspension and internal storage, another Gravel LCG071-PRO with storage.
Notably omission: LCR018-D which some of us found in the pdf from them -> Will ask them.

Xiamen Winspace Cycling (Halle 11.1, D06)
well known but now very pricy/premium brand.

YISHUN Carbon Composite Technology (Halle 11.1, D20)
Another G015D gravel frame and G1055D with internal storage capabilities.


🔧 ACCESSORIES & DEVICES

Bryton Inc. (Halle 11.1, A01)

 Gardia Radar R300L, budget-friendly Rider 460 gps, and the new Byrton S-Series gps

Chengdu Chendian Intelligent Technology (Halle 11.1, A54)
Cycplus - known from their pump.

Hangzhou Xibu Technology (Halle 11.0, A04)
Produces Rhinowalk cycling bags.

HK Gaciron Tech (Halle 11.1, D14)
I have a light from them so far, new stuff:
Smart lighting solutions including high/low beam headlight with 24-hour maximum runtime and the RAPTOR 50h with 10Ah battery capacity (that's 2 iphone's worth of battery).

iGPSPORT Corporation (Halle 11.1, A06)
radar and cycling computers

Lanxi Wheeltop Cycle Industries (Halle 12.1, D04a)
Wheeltop.

Qingdao Magene Intelligence Technology (Halle 8.0, H13 + Halle 11.1, D15)
Powermeters, C606 cycling computers.

Quanzhou Minshan Import & Export (Halle 11.0, A20)
Nooyah bike transport bags available on AliExpress for around 260 EUR. - already mentioned on this forum.

Shenzhen Coospo Tech (Halle 11.1, C14b)
TR70 radar light with 25-hour battery, HW9 arm heart rate monitor, CS600 computer, and pumps.

S-Ride Bicycle Components (Halle 11.1, D03)
Cheapo brake/shifters: GR680 disc brakes (1x mechanical/hydraulic) and 2x11/13 road shifters. "Innovative cable exchange system that doesn't require tape removal" - let's see about that

Super B Precision Tools (Halle 11.1, D17)
Taiwanese tools, also on Alix

Zhuhai L-twoo Sports Technology (Halle 11.1, B15)
New groupset for time trials an their 3rd generation eRX groupset.


---

Anything missing? What you guys want to see?
I plan to make some photos/videos there, as I got a business ticket from a friend's company.


Did you see Yoeleo? Anything from them?
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: raisinberry777 on June 23, 2025, 07:14:09 PM
Can you please ask Magene about new buttons for their levers and the one-piece brake calipers?

The St George Pro Team posted about them on Facebook (look at that - a Chinese brand taking on feedback from pro riders).
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: zealot128 on June 24, 2025, 03:12:56 AM

Did you see Yoeleo? Anything from them?

Unfortunately, no search results in the Eurobike catalogue for them.

Can you please ask Magene about new buttons for their levers and the one-piece brake calipers?

The St George Pro Team posted about them on Facebook (look at that - a Chinese brand taking on feedback from pro riders).

Will try to do, but not sure what their line-up is. According to their fair page it's a bike computer, "eBike system", powermeter and a Smart Trainer. No stuff, like groupset, radar etc. their, but I will surely check them out, as they even seem to have 2 booths.


https://eurobike.com/frankfurt/en/exhibitor-search.detail.html/qingdaomageneintelligence-technologyco--ltd.html
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: dbeezie on June 24, 2025, 08:38:21 AM
BLKTEC - Hall 11.1 D13
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: Requiem84 on June 24, 2025, 12:37:45 PM
Please Seka’s new gravel bike.
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: iggi on June 24, 2025, 04:16:29 PM
New line of Magene groupset and Shimano (Dura ace, Ultegra ...) if it will be on display.
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: zealot128 on June 25, 2025, 01:17:27 AM
New line of Magene groupset and Shimano (Dura ace, Ultegra ...) if it will be on display.

Will do - def. check out Magene - not sure what they will bring as their exhibition profile has other stuff (see post by me above here)

I think Shimano's big new thing is already released: GRX RX827 Di2 1x12 DI2 - got their newsletter yesterday and the embargo of all the blogs was lifted and blasted on all channels. - stand alone battery like SRAM/Deore and a left brake-only Brifter.
https://www.bikeradar.com/news/shimano-1x-grx-di2-rx827-wireless
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: Cold_Mind on June 25, 2025, 02:06:47 AM
I only care about the Evolve Bicycles Cima

Booth 11.1 A38

Their retail is price is pretty high for a premium Chinese frameset. But the frame has actually been Silverstone wind tunnel tested by ex-Specialized engineers. I'm already planning ahead for a long-term road frame for 2026.

https://www.instagram.com/evolvebicycles_/
https://www.evolvebicycles.com/

I'm building up a Cima as we speak. Nirvana colourway.
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: kubackje on June 25, 2025, 10:34:34 AM
Lol wtf is going on in Germany 💀
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: gbrnole on June 25, 2025, 11:01:27 AM
Lol wtf is going on in Germany 💀
@patliean1 not currently in Germany by any chance are you?  ;)
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: Dareios on June 25, 2025, 01:08:57 PM
Lol wtf is going on in Germany 💀
Probably some organized group stealing fully built bikes, I doubt a single person could carry this one out...
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: gbrnole on June 25, 2025, 01:54:19 PM
there will probably be an Evolve Cima copy available on AliX next week!
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: carbonazza on June 25, 2025, 05:42:25 PM
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Anything missing? What you guys want to see?
I plan to make some photos/videos there, as I got a business ticket from a friend's company.

Thanks for the list!
I'll do a one day jump on Sunday from Brussels, and visit some of them too.

Carbonda is presenting a new gravel frame that looks great: https://afbicycles.com/
And I'll visit Lightbicycle for their new lightweight AIRIA rims.
Nancy from Lightbicycle and Wing from Carbonda will be there, so after about 10 years of working with them, we'll see each other live  8)

I'll scout for various transmission builders and e-bike components too
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: kbernstein on June 26, 2025, 02:37:10 AM
I expected yet another western show with 0 innovation or new products, with just cool paint jobs and muddy pro bikes but still forced myself to watch all the coverage and a lot of products are actually exciting to me:
-Xcadey hammerhead looking computer
-more usb c powermeters with carbon cranks
-titanium spokes and magnesium rims. skeptical but i want to see more
-tourelly 360° clipless pedals with a lot of adjustment
-hydraulic hose quick links
-cheap lightcarbon gravel frame with all the modern marketing gimmicks
-smart sunglasses
-java j air frame
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: estingo on June 26, 2025, 07:41:15 AM
Those video's coming out are great from the EuroBike 2025 show, saw the one of Hambini, was really impressed with the Gravel model from Seka. But also the Magnesium rims look interesting, like all the stuff that kbernstein said ;)
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: zealot128 on June 26, 2025, 10:20:25 AM
Uff that's been a blast!

Just came back in, saw TraceVelo at Lightcarbon, had a chat with him, I guess we will see LCR 018 footage and maybe even a built in the future. 😎
According to LC: the '18 will have a storage compartment if you want it, both can be built. Price including decals/paint shop. Ofc. the gravel frames with suspensions and storage compartments.
Also had a longer talk with PeterXu at their booth - The raw GT frame can be watched there. We also shared contact info ;)
For German readers: Tobi and Richie (former GCN german) were also at the LTWOO booth, so waiting for a video in the future there.

Magene: QED and PES shifters looked great, as well as tons of new bike computers, light, action cam - all work together.
I also got a present because i was the first who completed their challenge from their newsletter :D
Garciron: Crazy bright lights with lots of battery (Raptor)
Coospo had pedal powermeters which should retail for $200(!) - i asked twice if he meant each or for the pair, but he insisted the pair. But unfortunately, not available for consumers, OEM/Distributors first, the other stuff from them can be bought from Amazon etc.
Nooyah Bike Transport box: Was also mentioned in ths forum; about $600 as i remember correctly for a whole package with lots of additional packaging - for handlebar, wheel etc.. They had 2 boxes, the softsheel should be even cheaper, as the main one is sewed.
Assisting Force: singular Gravel set: Also direct to consumer via website, from $900 for the frame set, up to $1368 for the "SSL" plus handlebar. Also has a storage compartment like LC and a great solution for tools, there has been a lot of stuff hidden there, wait for the video.
Another suprise: Rockbros will open a Flagship Store in Germany, Heidelberg on 1th of July, quite the expansion. Also TONS of stuff, even bikes, kid's bikes, besides the usual bags, glasses, gloves. Ofc their "Road the Sky" premium stuff.
Rhinowalk: Also great top frame solution (for gravel)

So many more thoughts, I am waiting copy over the raw videos, will post a longer video + shorts soonish on my (new) Youtube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIeT-9vPBNUNDtiqHi1mQtQ
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: Dareios on June 26, 2025, 12:35:11 PM
Lol, just watched the cyclistshub video and Winspace are presenting yet another new roadbike frame (probably again the same geometry) the SLC 5.0, seems like they skipped 4 and went straight to 5. WTF is going on with them, every few months they throw out a new bike with a similar geometry that is potentially cannibalizing sales of their similar bikes. They seem to have lost the plot.
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: kbernstein on June 26, 2025, 01:04:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3vn9W0bbHk

Love this smart trainer rower adapter idea
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: frewster on June 26, 2025, 01:23:38 PM
Zealot128 did you get to talk with Magene regarding their bike computers? I've heard good things about the hardware but horror stories about the software and support for them.
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: zealot128 on June 27, 2025, 01:14:42 AM
Zealot128 did you get to talk with Magene regarding their bike computers? I've heard good things about the hardware but horror stories about the software and support for them.

I quickly checked out their computers, very light and have a metallic lockring on the back, touchscreen, climbing stuff. Unfortunately, i cannot say anything about the software quality, and I guess their sales representatives could also only reply in phrases anyways.
I use their Radar and have a heart rate sensor (that seem to have already died after 1y), The Radar works fine so far, but the battery life is not superb.

What kind of horror stories did you hear? They are definitely moving very fast - 2 new groupsets, powermeter, smart trainers, about half a dozens computers..., I have a longer segment in the video I will release later today.
About support: They have no distributor outside China AFAIR, she also said say are ofc looking for distributors, that's also why so many "Coming soon" of stuff already buyable in Chinese domestic markets (btw: got my original Magene radar directly from Joe's Panda shop in Xiamen in person :D - very hard to come by in Germany esp because of our stupid bike light laws).
Not to whatabout: But on the other hand, which (especially Chinese(!)) cycling brands have a very good software quality? Garmin: should always avoid the first 00's, Wahoo - usually good/great, but the new Ace has also issues? Shimano: WTF is eTube PoS.

IGPSports also had an interesting line-up and Radar btw!
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: frewster on June 27, 2025, 02:03:35 AM
I quickly checked out their computers, very light and have a metallic lockring on the back, touchscreen, climbing stuff. Unfortunately, i cannot say anything about the software quality, and I guess their sales representatives could also only reply in phrases anyways.
I use their Radar and have a heart rate sensor (that seem to have already died after 1y), The Radar works fine so far, but the battery life is not superb.

What kind of horror stories did you hear? They are definitely moving very fast - 2 new groupsets, powermeter, smart trainers, about half a dozens computers..., I have a longer segment in the video I will release later today.
About support: They have no distributor outside China AFAIR, she also said say are ofc looking for distributors, that's also why so many "Coming soon" of stuff already buyable in Chinese domestic markets (btw: got my original Magene radar directly from Joe's Panda shop in Xiamen in person :D - very hard to come by in Germany esp because of our stupid bike light laws).
Not to whatabout: But on the other hand, which (especially Chinese(!)) cycling brands have a very good software quality? Garmin: should always avoid the first 00's, Wahoo - usually good/great, but the new Ace has also issues? Shimano: WTF is eTube PoS.

IGPSports also had an interesting line-up and Radar btw!

That's a good point about software quality. It does seem to be a thing that many Chinese companies struggle with although they have been improving as of late. My concerns mostly came from this thread https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,5655.msg73414.html#msg73414 (https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,5655.msg73414.html#msg73414) here on the forum. I have heard generally good things about Magene otherwise regarding their power meters and other products. The groupset stuff is interesting, and I hope they'll actually be widely available soon.
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: kbernstein on June 27, 2025, 02:26:34 AM
That's a good point about software quality. It does seem to be a thing that many Chinese companies struggle with although they have been improving as of late. My concerns mostly came from this thread https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,5655.msg73414.html#msg73414 (https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,5655.msg73414.html#msg73414) here on the forum. I have heard generally good things about Magene otherwise regarding their power meters and other products. The groupset stuff is interesting, and I hope they'll actually be widely available soon.
To their credit, they have definitely gotten better with updates. But compared to IGPSport I'm taking IGPSport any day of the week for the money. It's just not there yet but it might in the future. Climbpro and map layers may be terrible, the app is still shit but it works now. Either way that's the last you're hearing from me on the C606 as I finally found a buyer  ;D
I don't understand the point of the C706 though. It has less bezel, a bell (  ::) ) and that's it? Not addressing anything else?
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: radrick_91 on June 27, 2025, 12:55:28 PM
Visited Eurobike today – here are my personal highlights & recommendations if you’re planning to go:

XM CarbonSpeed – Meeting Peter in person
My absolute highlight was meeting Peter. He’s well known here on the forum – and I can confirm he’s just as friendly and knowledgeable in person. I asked him about a thousand questions and he took the time to answer every single one. Thanks, Peter!

XM CarbonSpeed Product Highlights:
Gran Turismo frame (I’ll post separately about it – that thing glows)
New gravel wheelset with titanium spokes – I instantly fell in love
New carbon crankset
Disc wheel for triathletes/time trialists

Definitely check out their booth!



Other highlights worth checking out:
Magene is showing the TEO carbon crank, compatible with P505 & P515 power meters
Ltwoo & Wheeltop are displaying a TT groupset
LightCarbon has a very nice-looking new frame
Envolve: frame & cockpit look great – had an interesting chat with their engineer, I think we’ll hear more from them in the future
Galfer (not from China, but worth it for the weight weenies): showcasing a new disc brake – light & promising
Zenobicycle: I checked out their quick coupler for hydraulic hoses – clever solution, and I really hope we’ll see it available in Europe soon
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: zealot128 on June 28, 2025, 08:55:57 AM
Visited Eurobike today – here are my personal highlights & recommendations if you’re planning to go:

XM CarbonSpeed – Meeting Peter in person
My absolute highlight was meeting Peter. He’s well known here on the forum – and I can confirm he’s just as friendly and knowledgeable in person. I asked him about a thousand questions and he took the time to answer every single one. Thanks, Peter!

XM CarbonSpeed Product Highlights:
Gran Turismo frame (I’ll post separately about it – that thing glows)
New gravel wheelset with titanium spokes – I instantly fell in love
New carbon crankset
Disc wheel for triathletes/time trialists

Definitely check out their booth!



Other highlights worth checking out:
Magene is showing the TEO carbon crank, compatible with P505 & P515 power meters
Ltwoo & Wheeltop are displaying a TT groupset
LightCarbon has a very nice-looking new frame
Envolve: frame & cockpit look great – had an interesting chat with their engineer, I think we’ll hear more from them in the future
Galfer (not from China, but worth it for the weight weenies): showcasing a new disc brake – light & promising
Zenobicycle: I checked out their quick coupler for hydraulic hoses – clever solution, and I really hope we’ll see it available in Europe soon

Great! Thx for sharing. Been there, too - had a talk with Peter, he *might* come over for dinner soon, but not sure about time left after finishing up the exhibition - my wife and him connected - from the same small town in China - Factory tour is definitely on ;)

Here is a short from me:
https://youtube.com/shorts/aIbdJaciGA8

Important/worthwile to listen to the last couple of seconds for members of this forum ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: rutgervr on June 30, 2025, 01:57:52 PM
From my point of view on Eurobike , Seka and evolve are way above the rest of the chinese companies. Evolve needs to prove itself but their technology is in line with Seka. I've had a couple of mayor brand frames also some smaller ones, Seka is one of the best frames i've ever had. I've been talking for a couple of weeks with the people behind evolve also, and i think after their engineering process it will be a good frame too. Their prices will be affordable for frames of that kind of quality.

Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: planet_sammy on July 01, 2025, 09:09:17 AM
Zealot128 did you get to talk with Magene regarding their bike computers? I've heard good things about the hardware but horror stories about the software and support for them.

I own a C606 and was surprised at Eurobike to see that the software looked completely different!

The representative I spoke to told me that the app will be completely redesigned and the C606 will receive a firmware update in two weeks.

The new software looks great at first glance, but time will tell what it’s really capable of.

I pointed out a real flaw: when importing a GPX file from "komoot" or "bikerouter", road names aren't displayed during navigation.

We'll see if that gets fixed.
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: patliean1 on July 01, 2025, 11:13:07 AM
I'm interested in the Evolve frames also because the gap these days between the Tarmac SL8 and something like a Winspace/Tavelo gets smaller each year. In terms of road dynamics, fit and finish.

Does spending $600 more ($2300 USD) on the Evolve versus a Tavelo ($1650 USD) get you significantly closer to the SL8? The Tarmac Pro level cost $3500 USD, S-Works $5500 USD. We already have metrics on how close a $650 TanTan X68 can get towards an SL8.

I suspect Evolve will need to use everyone's favorite marketing tactic to have any fighting chance of being successful here in the US - influencers  8)
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: meysow on July 01, 2025, 11:51:20 AM
That's the thing — they’re definitely making great frames. The technology is there, and the QC is solid — no doubt about that. But aren’t we ending up in the very situation we all came to this forum to avoid? That is: looking for a frame where we’re (again) paying mostly for branding hype, rather than the frame itself — with prices jumping from $650 to $5,500.

Out of those $5,500, how much are we really paying for the S-Works decal, and how much reflects the actual value of the frame? Same question for Evolve. (Not rhetorical — I’m genuinely curious.)
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: patliean1 on July 01, 2025, 12:23:59 PM
Marketing will always play a critical role in the future growth of any brand. Whether that is sponsoring race teams or sending YouTubers products for review. And naturally those costs will be be baked into the end consumer pricing. There's no way around it. From Peter at XM Carbon Speed to Winspace to every single Western brand.

One thing brands like Tavelo and No.6 Wheels have done well (clearly I'm biased) is to spread their brand awareness via race clubs and privateers. If you can incentivize convince competitive athletes that a product performs well, consumers will follow suit.

I'm surprised how little we hear about Seka and BROSS (Zenith) in 2025. They were the buzz in 2024. Probably because so few customers actually own one of their frames. The market and confidence for $2200-$2500 Chinese here in America just isn't there yet. If I were in charge of Evolve I would not worry too much about wind tunnel testing and white papers. Just get the frames in the hands of athletes.

Elite Wheels make some great products across most competitive price points. Their latest Drive II wheels are freakin fantastic. So it's strange to see them design a road frame to pair with such wheels, for $2300. Very ambitious of them. A $1700 price would probably have made more sense.
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: toxin on July 01, 2025, 02:03:07 PM
One thing brands like Tavelo and No.6 Wheels have done well (clearly I'm biased) is to spread their brand awareness via race clubs and privateers. If you can incentivize convince competitive athletes that a product performs well, consumers will follow suit.

I'm surprised how little we hear about Seka and BROSS (Zenith) in 2025. They were the buzz in 2024. Probably because so few customers actually own one of their frames. The market and confidence for $2200-$2500 Chinese here in America just isn't there yet. If I were in charge of Evolve I would not worry too much about wind tunnel testing and white papers. Just get the frames in the hands of athletes.

Elite Wheels make some great products across most competitive price points. Their latest Drive II wheels are freakin fantastic. So it's strange to see them design a road frame to pair with such wheels, for $2300. Very ambitious of them. A $1700 price would probably have made more sense.

Bross never really cared about overseas markets, they sold well in China. The buzz around them was created by the community. Seka are also doing very very well in europe, with actual distibution and product on shop floors. Aero testing and white papers go a long way to sell to people with enough money that western brands are an option.
Title: Re: Eurobike 2025 - starts on Wed. - What are you looking forward to?
Post by: glepore on July 01, 2025, 05:16:57 PM
Evolve has some marketing potential in terms of their team and their development/wind tunnel story. Seka has a great product but sort of shot themselves in the foot in some circles with their initial delivery issues.