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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: xx7774 on December 01, 2025, 01:44:14 AM
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BUYER BEWARE – STAY FAR AWAY FROM YOHOBIKES - A Warning from My Horrible Experience
I contacted Yoho Bikes ahead of time to confirm color (painted gloss black), availability, and timing. Tom assured me they had a 56 frame in stock and sent a photo of the supposed frame. I repeatedly asked to confirm the carbon type (T1100/T1000), and they confirmed it was.
They asked for payment via Wise, cheaper than AliExpress or PayPal. Trusting their good “pre-sale” communication, I paid.
After a week with no tracking number, I asked for an update. They said it would come soon. Ten days later, no update. When I pressed, Tom claimed the package was returned to them. Without tracking, I doubted this and asked for a refund. Tom promised to resend it the next day.
Three weeks after payment, I finally got a UPS tracking number. UPS delivered in 4 days.
But when I unboxed the frame, my heart sank. The paint was patchy gloss black, partially clear coat with huge streaks. The fork had odd patch marks and was only partially painted.
I sent photos to Tom, who dismissed my concerns, calling the lines / streaks "carbon fiber weave."
A carbon expert inspected it and said the quality was terrible, noting some areas might not even be carbon but epoxy. The downtube flexed when squeezed. The carbon was definitely not T1000, likely not even T800, and poorly layered. The carbon guy said the frame was dangerous.
I asked Tom how Yoho would fix this—refund or correct frame. 1 week later, no reply despite daily messages.
In short: they took my money, sent a dangerous / subpar frame that didn’t match my order or their photo, and now ignore me.
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You don’t need a “carbon expert” to know that it’s clearly UD carbon fibre with clear coat over the top, and not painted.
There is absolutely no way to differentiate what a frame is made from, so impossible to say if it has T1100/T1000.
All carbon frames will flex to some degree if squeezed.
Suspicious of a 1st post bashing a company containing sooooo many errors.
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Im sorry this happened to you, but you did buy a fake frame and didn't use PayPal or AliExpress which have buyer protections, these should have been red flags
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Im sorry this happened to you, but you did buy a fake frame and didn't use PayPal or AliExpress which have buyer protections, these should have been red flags
I agree – you do realise this is a counterfeit frame, right? And you’re probably breaking the laws of your country by buying one!
The risk when buying these products is always going to be far far far greater than buying a legitimate frame from a local bike shop. How can anyone not be aware of that?
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I'm against fake frames. But I don't know where the problem is in those pictures. Looks normal to me...
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I'm against fake frames. But I don't know where the problem is in those pictures. Looks normal to me...
Yep normal looks like the imperfect nature of UD Raw carbon underneath a gloss finish. No different than what I see underneath my Genuine SL8 and X68 (SL8)
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Yep normal looks like the imperfect nature of UD Raw carbon underneath a gloss finish. No different than what I see underneath my Genuine SL8 and X68 (SL8)
But the “carbon expert” said it was partly painted and full of cracks 😂
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But the “carbon expert” said it was partly painted and full of cracks 😂
Well I would not fully discount the expert, if this was a visual inspection then I will. If there has been some scanning etc of the frame I would love to see the report myself
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BUYER BEWARE – STAY FAR AWAY FROM YOHOBIKES - A Warning from My Horrible Experience
I contacted Yoho Bikes ahead of time to confirm color (gloss black), availability, and timing. Tom assured me they had a 56 frame in stock and sent a photo of the supposed frame. I repeatedly asked to confirm the carbon type (T1100/T1000), and they confirmed it was.
They asked for payment via Wise, cheaper than AliExpress or PayPal. Trusting their good “pre-sale” communication, I paid.
After a week with no tracking number, I asked for an update. They said it would come soon. Ten days later, no update. When I pressed, Tom claimed the package was returned to them. Without tracking, I doubted this and asked for a refund. Tom promised to resend it the next day.
Three weeks after payment, I finally got a UPS tracking number. UPS delivered in 4 days.
But when I unboxed the frame, my heart sank. The paint was patchy gloss black, partially clear coat with huge streaks. The fork had odd patch marks and was only partially painted.
I sent photos to Tom, who dismissed my concerns, calling the cracks "carbon fiber weave."
A carbon expert inspected it and said the quality was terrible, noting some areas might not even be carbon but epoxy. The downtube flexed when squeezed. The carbon was definitely not T1000, likely not even T800, and poorly layered. The carbon guy said the frame was dangerous.
I asked Tom how Yoho would fix this—refund or correct frame. 1 week later, no reply despite daily messages.
In short: they took my money, sent a dangerous / subpar frame that didn’t match my order or their photo, and now ignore me.
I fully agree the Carbon expert and to your safety I fully recommend sending this frame straight to me! I am an expert on Carbon recyling (Source: Trust me bro!) ;)
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Looks fine to me. The top tube and down tube of the genuine Ostro VAM are very thin and also flex when squeezed...
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If it doesn't assplode while doing an 80km mountain descent, you should be fine. Next time don't buy a fake branded frame just to impress the tight spandex boys at the Sunday coffee ride! ;)
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If it doesn't assplode while doing an 80km mountain descent, you should be fine. Next time don't buy a fake branded frame just to impress the tight spandex boys at the Sunday coffee ride! ;)
I would say don't buy a fake if you don't know your stuff well enough.
I looked at this thread in the expectation that something really bad happend, like wrong threading in the bottom bracket, or like we had with other Fauxtros that the rear tringle is off. But complaints about UD carbon wasn't on the list of things I expected
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I am going to buck the trend and say that this frame looks sloppy to me in terms of the intentionally visible layup, both in terms of placement and the lack of finishing under the clearcoat. The clearcoat also looks really thick, but we are operating from photos here. Real Factors aren't the cleanest in this regard, but this is a different level. That said, I also don't see cracks or anything that, on visual inspection, suggests that this bike should be returned.
IDK what else you expect buying a fake. A little bit of sloppy layup that most people won't notice is far from the worst outcome.
FWIW, no one in the tight-spandex crowd really cares what kind of bike you have on the ride. People care a lot more about whether or not you are just dangling off the back or pulling through on the group ride. IMO, you are generally way better off not buying a fake and putting premium towards a good aero road helmet or something.
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I am a Nigerian prince, please send me this defective frame. I will fix it with the magic of my people then send you back the spirit of cycling.
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I too am calling this bull shit.
You bought a raw carbon frame and are looking for perfect smooth frame? You bought carbon yet you are squeezing it where it's suppose to flex? What's next? You can fit 35mm tires or your back is hurting because the frame is too aggressive?
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For clarity - I did NOT order naked carbon. I ordered a painted gloss black frame.
The photo I was sent, supposedly before shipping, was of the painted gloss black frame. What was delivered was not the frame I ordered.
My entire purpose of posting here was to caution others considering Yoho. If you have had a much better experience with them, that's awesome, you should post that!
At the very least, Yoho should have responded with a solution to get me the frame I ordered and approved.
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For clarity - I did NOT order naked carbon. I ordered a painted gloss black frame.
The photo I was sent, supposedly before shipping, was of the painted gloss black frame. What was delivered was not the frame I ordered.
My entire purpose of posting here was to caution others considering Yoho. If you have had a much better experience with them, that's awesome, you should post that!
At the very least, Yoho should have responded with a solution to get me the frame I ordered and approved.
Can you share the photo you were sent before shipping?
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Buys fake frame, expects real quality 🙄🤦♂️
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I predict this thread will end with @Sitar_Ned having to intervene. Staking my claim now ;D
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I am a professional disposer. Please send the frame to me so I can dispose it for you.
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Can you share the photo you were sent before shipping?
Here is the frame that was approved. This isn't the frame that was shipped.
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The actual frame that the OP received might just be fine, from the photos. All UD carbon frames with clear coat looks like this.
But I can understand what the OP was frustrated about. He asked and was expecting a frame with black paint, not something with naked carbon with clear coat.
As for the comments from your "carbon expert", I seriously doubt his expertise when he thought that carbon frame tube shouldn't flex when squeeze by hands. All carbon tubes, especially aero shape ones that is not round, will flex when squeeze. Also, it is technically impossible to tell what carbon fiber materials the frame used (T1000 vs. T800) without using some serious scientific instrumentation analysis. If your expert claimed that he can tell T1000 and T800 carbon frame apart by just looking at it and squeezing it, then he/she is really not much of an "expert".
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Here is the frame that was approved. This isn't the frame that was shipped.
Have you ever seen how an Osto Vam looks? Sorry, but I don't think you did your research beforehand because this is what the clearcoat UD carbon frames look like. At least you got your frameset. UPS lost mine and I'm going through hell trying to get a claim going with Tom, but he is blaming me for UPS losing the bike because I changed the shipping date to one where I would be home??? Not my fault UPS attempted a delivery and immediately lost the package after somehow....
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Here is the frame that was approved. This isn't the frame that was shipped.
The picture looks darker, because it’s a shitty picture. However, you can still see it’s not black.
It’s a replica of a Factor and the original is clear over UD, so it’s actually true to the original.
Factor do call this colorway “black” so this is probably where the confusion crept in. But that still means you got what you ordered.
The only discrepancy here is the picture you have isn’t very clear, but I assume there are others from the site you ordered the frame that show more detail?
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Here is the frame that was approved. This isn't the frame that was shipped.
And did you see that this is glossy black and not glossy raw carbon with so low resolution?
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It is funny because most of people are "against" fake frames but on this topic, people tends to criticize the user member and defend Yohobikes 😅.
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It is funny because most of people are "against" fake frames but on this topic, people tends to criticize the user member and defend Yohobikes 😅.
Imagine people being more dimensional... One can in fact be against fakes and still defend the seller of those if there is unnecessary critics on them.. There are lots of point for critiscm on Yoho, but the mentioned points from OP aint
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It is funny because most of people are "against" fake frames but on this topic, people tends to criticize the user member and defend Yohobikes 😅.
In this instance someone creates an account specifically to bash a company for selling a product which according to them is not the correct colour (which it is) accusing them of selling a frame covered in cracks (which it isn’t, it’s just UD carbon)
Their “carbon expert” was able to differentiate between T800 and T1000 carbon without destructive testing which has to be an industry first.
And indicating the frame was dangerous.
Personally I wouldn’t buy a fake frame, but each to their own. However, my view is the company did nothing wrong other than fulfill the order.
What I do have a huge problem with, is people not taking responsibility for their actions and blaming/ potentially lying to create a case for themselves and gain internet clout.
I’d love to see the report from the OPs “carbon expert”, I hope that can be posted or maybe a link to their website please?
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Here is the frame that was approved. This isn't the frame that was shipped.
How can you be 100% certain without a doubt that was not the frame sent? you cannot tell that from a bloody photo!
Anyway would it make a difference they are all made and painted inn the same factory.
Never understand why people moan about "COUNTERFIET" frames!
Here is the definition of counterfeit:
Counterfeit (adjective, noun, verb)
Adjective: Made in imitation of something else with intent to deceive; fake or fraudulent.
Example: A counterfeit banknote.
Noun: An imitation or forgery of something valuable, especially money or goods.
Example: The police seized a pile of counterfeits.
Verb: To make an imitation of something valuable with intent to deceive.
Example: They were arrested for counterfeiting currency.
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Lol OP and his post is more fake then a frame itself.
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It is funny because most of people are "against" fake frames but on this topic, people tends to criticize the user member and defend Yohobikes 😅.
I think that when you deal with some "non legit" seller you should at least have max level of suspicion and ask for any detail, not to trust the seller
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Here is the frame that was approved. This isn't the frame that was shipped.
That actually looks like a UD raw glossy frame. I also have a UD glossy black frame and it looks totally different from a UD glossy raw finish.
First rule of buying a frame online is ask a lot of questions. Also take into account there are language differences that might not translate properly. It's important to word each question as concisely and simple as possible.
While I normally wouldn't buy from Yoho Bikes, I think in this case they actually delivered as promised.
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@kubackje why would I post a fake review?
I thought the purpose of this forum was so to give users looking to purchase Chinese bikes real world info to work with.
I don't want other users to make the same mistake I did. They can either take or leave my comments.
I take it you have had a good experience with Yoho. If so, feel free to post about it.
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The color of the frame ordered might not be the color delivered, but it's impossible to confirm.
In any case, the Ostro VAM painted black doesn't exist.
The finish received is glossy UD, and the good news is that there are no problems with the carbon fiber (what you see is normal!).
It seems logical to me that Yoho would tell you to get lost.
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my guy did some effort to complain about them, made a whole website haha
https://yohobikereview.com/
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As suspected. It’s a Gloss UD frame - this is what Factor call Black.
I still believe the seller did nothing wrong ( aside from selling a fake frame ) the buyer got what they ordered and got buyers remorse.
🤡
Honestly, that frame actually looks really good 🤗
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If it wasn't for the obvious fact that I rely heavily on cyclists to support my channel I would make a long-winded video on my distain for cyclists in general.
To be fair, the 99% of my audience are cool peoples. But there is just something specifically about cycling that attracts a certain kind of personality. I suspect it's fragility. Way different than basketball and football of which I grew up playing.
I better just leave it at that...
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If you take the picture of the frame he ordered (from his website) and adjust the contrast, you’ll see it is a UD / clear coat finish.
He received exactly what he ordered.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5N2JQq91/IMG-6462.jpg)
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If it wasn't for the obvious fact that I rely heavily on cyclists to support my channel I would make a long-winded video on my distain for cyclists in general.
To be fair, the 99% of my audience are cool peoples. But there is just something specifically about cycling that attracts a certain kind of personality. I suspect it's fragility. Way different than basketball and football of which I grew up playing.
I better just leave it at that...
I thibk it’s true about a lot of things actually. Even basketball/football, look at the fans, so much into their “feelings”! Getting but hurt by actual facts, clearly stated and hard to argue against is the new sport of choice for most people…
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It's a solid review. I wish I had seen it before I ordered my frame.
These guys get you to pay using Wise, then cut the communication when you raise any issues. Lots of imperfections in the paint and it just feels cheap, low quality.
Sure, you can argue, what could I expect from a fake frame. But I did expect better than I received.
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It's a solid review. I wish I had seen it before I ordered my frame.
These guys get you to pay using Wise, then cut the communication when you raise any issues. Lots of imperfections in the paint and it just feels cheap, low quality.
Sure, you can argue, what could I expect from a fake frame. But I did expect better than I received.
Can you share some pictures ?
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It's literally illegal goods for massively under regular market price, if you expected quality, that's on you
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For clarity - I did NOT order naked carbon. I ordered a painted gloss black frame.
The photo I was sent, supposedly before shipping, was of the painted gloss black frame. What was delivered was not the frame I ordered.
My entire purpose of posting here was to caution others considering Yoho. If you have had a much better experience with them, that's awesome, you should post that!
At the very least, Yoho should have responded with a solution to get me the frame I ordered and approved.
You should know that buying replicas is a bit risky. It's funny that you expect original quality at 700usd price point-lower your standards or buy original, it's as simple as that. I ordered the same frame and it's quality is far above my expectations after 1k km ridden. Carbon inside is very smooth, which is the most important thing. Decals are not 100% perfect but for the price it's more than good. I agree the shipping times and seller communication were sketchy after I made payment and this can be frustrating, but you should get your package in 60 days. One advise-change your carbon "expert" since he has no knowledge about it. I paid via Aliexpress, which also covers the refund if the package doesn't arrive in time. I need seatpost with the correct angle on factor logo on both sides if anybody has it :D