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Re: Consensus on replica frames ?? Just wanted to update on my "FaCtOr OsTrO VaM" build, weighed in at 6.96 after pedals, cages and comp mount.












December 25, 2023, 10:19:55 PM
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Re: Consensus on replica frames ?? From what I can tell the quality of my VBR 218 is no worse than a usual beginner to middle-class carbon frame from a western brand. As we know a lot of western brands just sell chinese frames with their branding and why should a replica frame be worse than other open molds? The replica has the advantage of compatiblity with a lot of accessories or spare parts from the original though. Geometry and aero will often be better too.

So it depends: If you want a superbike, you'll have to pay for the original and there is a bigger difference. But if you just want some easy middle-class well performing bike, the replica can do that just fine.

I wouldn't put stickers on it too, for sure.

December 31, 2023, 09:23:25 AM
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Re: Consensus on replica frames ??
An open mold is usually a little more expensive. But, because it's a clean sheet design, they are going to design it in CAD and run the basic FEA stuff and use the results to iterate the design. They have both a good understanding of where / how to adjust the layup and the freedom to change tube shapes to get the performance they are looking for.

No they're not? Velobuild for instance sells pretty much all their frames at the exact same price point, open molds, replicas, half replicas like the VB168 and so on. You're implying a lot of things here that again go back to my point exactly: It depends who you're buying from. Sure, the more money is involved, the better the knowledge of the people behind the product and therefore its quality. Hopefully anyway. But saying that open mold designers in general "have a good understanding" of the intricacies of frame design is a generalization you cannot really make IMO. There's probably a lot of sellers out there that did not design the frame or they might not even have produced it. And they might not be transparent about it. So there's more to the story IMO.

I take you point though that making something work that you did not design yourself might pose a few traps that these companies do not necessarily see coming. The question then again is how they handle it. I chose VB for this reason and luckily was not disappointed by their customer service when I needed it. Would I have bought a Pinarello badged frame from whatever seller on Aliexpress? Hell no. Would I buy another VB268? In a heartbeat. But just because it's a really nice riding bike and I like the looks of it. I couldn't care less how it compares to the real thing.

January 02, 2024, 12:43:52 AM
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Re: Replica Factor Ostro VAM
Matte black with no logo, pretty stealthy

Looks also pretty cool to me! It's awesome that you went for this matte stealthy black. Bought as well some original parts like the head spacer ring, and seatpost wedge. I'm also still doubting if I add under the headset top cover a rubber ring to prevent getting moisture in the headset bearings.

For my build:
I still need a chain, cassette, and wheels. Received this week the chainring 1x, which is a Rotor Qarbon Q-ring with 52t but I received the 50t so I need to wait for that too. 


August 21, 2024, 02:10:53 AM
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Re: replica vs open mold discussion
Personally, I think were not even talking remotely about the same customer groups. Somebody who actually has the cash to pay 4-6000USD for a frameset or a five digit number for a bike would never think about getting a 5-800 dollar chiner frame.
Making the fake look like the real one with logos and so on is where I definitely draw the line.

I agree with where you draw the line.
i disagree with the customer groups. I could buy 15+k bikes, yet I wouldn't. I care about value, and being a good steward of my money. I take pride in being the guy with the cheap chinese stuff. One reason is to troll. Another is to keep it real. The whole "my ftp is dog shyte & i can't take a turn yet i ride the latest TDF bike and flex my MAAP kit" is, as far as i'm conerned, utter cringe. Just like Nike needs working class people to buy overpriced Jordans, the economy needs bag holders, but it doesn't mean i have to be one.

August 22, 2024, 02:38:28 AM
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Re: replica vs open mold discussion The best replicas are the ones that troll the real thing. This guy at my social ride bought a used Surly Straggler with a scribbly S-Werks logo on the down tube. The guy who bought doesn't realize what/who the bike was trolling. Though it was a custom build and looking at the components, whomever built it put in some quality components on the bike and knew what he was doing.

I'm beginning to see Chinese bike frames and components more as a tuner market for bike builds. Anyone can walk into a boutique bike shop and buy $6-10k + USD bike, but where's the fun in that? Now you have this expensive bike that you have to baby, think about resale and only get serviced for more $$$ at the same bike shop, while gaining zero knowledge in actual bike maintenance. There's something fun about an open mold bike because you built it, know it's strengths/weaknesses and you can ride the bike hard without too much monetary repercussions. There's also the bigger satisfaction of gapping/dropping cyclists on the bling bikes. The money save can be used for more training, better nutrition, date night with the gf/missus, etc.

August 22, 2024, 08:38:32 AM
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Re: replica vs open mold discussion
2. Is replica going to be as good as the real thing performance wise?

Absolutely not, but is it close? I would say yes, replica tends to feel less stiff, a bit heavier and a little bit sluggish. If I really need to give a direct comparison, I will say replica has 90% of the performance, in fact, we all sort of know the answer, if you get dropped, problem's on you, not the bike. Honestly if you are not a racer, don't bother, I don't really think a racer would consider buying replica anyway.


if frames from TanTan, VB, ICAN can be as close to 85% ride quality of the frames they took inspiration on, this is plenty good for a hobbyist racer like me.
im paying probably 25-40% on bike frame from reference of a big brand bike, get ~80% ride quality, and its not like my race performance is handicaped at 80% of my full potential if i would be on thos big brand bike(i guess). the savings of $ can go to more race fees n travel

August 22, 2024, 08:48:25 AM
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Re: replica vs open mold discussion
Well said! I am into trying different bikes and their geometry, testing the ride and stuff, it has been a real fun, there's no way I am going to pay $5k USD for each of them...

I ride road/gravel in Los Angeles and there's nothing more humbling than getting gapped on the hill climb by some kid on a fixed gear bike while listening to his AirPods. At this point, I highly doubt any of these Chinese frames/components are holding anyone back.

Who's to say you can't equipped quality components on a cheaper frame? I just crashed my gravel bike a few days ago and messed up my 2x RD. I ended up converting the bike back to 1x with a GRX RD, Ultegra hydraulic shifters and a Pass Quest aero chainring I had lying around. Bike runs amazing. A week ago my FD rivets popped out on of one of my road frames, I ordered a cheap rivet gun and nailed that sh*t back in. Good as new!  ;D

August 22, 2024, 11:32:06 AM
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Re: Please recommend a frame Winspace T1550, slightly over budget but a diamond
September 02, 2024, 07:20:57 AM
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