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I've had the frame for a while and i was able to test it in different scenarios (flat rides, punchy walls and long climbs, both long and short days in the saddle), i can say that the frame is very comfortable with a reasonable tubeless setup, absorbs road chatter without sacrificing responsivity. So far i had PBs on a lot of segments around me so it's definitely faster than my old MY21 rim TCR  ;D

i only have two issues with it:
- the saddle keeps slipping back during the ride (steel rails). Peter suggests 6NM for the saddle clamp bolt but it's not sufficient. has anybody had this problem?
- when out of the saddle and moving the front wheel a lot side to side the front brake rubs a bit. This could be flex in the for blades or maybe a compatibility issue (I'm running wheeltop calipers with stock pads and a shimano rotor in the front)

Picture for color reference, pretty pleased with how it turned out!

the saddle slippage seems to be fixed after changing saddles, maybe the previous one had dented rails from over-torquing on another bike, 6NM is enough on my end.

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I've had the frame for a while and i was able to test it in different scenarios (flat rides, punchy walls and long climbs, both long and short days in the saddle), i can say that the frame is very comfortable with a reasonable tubeless setup, absorbs road chatter without sacrificing responsivity. So far i had PBs on a lot of segments around me so it's definitely faster than my old MY21 rim TCR  ;D

i only have two issues with it:
- the saddle keeps slipping back during the ride (steel rails). Peter suggests 6NM for the saddle clamp bolt but it's not sufficient. has anybody had this problem?
- when out of the saddle and moving the front wheel a lot side to side the front brake rubs a bit. This could be flex in the for blades or maybe a compatibility issue (I'm running wheeltop calipers with stock pads and a shimano rotor in the front)

Picture for color reference, pretty pleased with how it turned out!


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I have another one of XM's frames and can attest to the durability. I am 100KG and have not been very gentle on it - some very rough roads and light gravel at times. Absolutely no trouble at all after ~5000 km (1 season) and rides like day 1.
killer paintjob on this one, chef's kiss

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@PeterXu i don't know if it has been asked before, but will you offer a zero offset seatpost option for the gran turismo frame?

Thanks

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-368 Aeroframe
« on: December 15, 2025, 11:15:06 AM »
Has anyone ordered in the last month? I paid on 12/11, but I still haven’t had any news. I checked in on 02/12 and Chris said the painting would be done the following weekend. Then I followed up again on 10/12 and was told they were hoping to finish it the next weekend as well.

Just wanted to see if this delay is only with my frame or if anyone else is in the same situation.

haven't placed an order yet, but i plan to in the next days, it will be a single custom color so i can update you with the timeline

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-368 Aeroframe
« on: December 13, 2025, 09:26:31 AM »
I don't. A bayonet needs to be properly executed, otherwise it just makes everything worse

to be fair i'm not advocating for bayonets over all, but it's an interesting concept for CdA reduction an i wish it was executed more often

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-368 Aeroframe
« on: December 13, 2025, 03:28:58 AM »
If you're feeling a bit unhappy about the weight you shouldn't be....
New Factor One forks are 730g and medium frame 1180.


i wish more chinese OEMs/brands would go into bayonet forks, i've seen a li-ning frame sililar to the new S5 but it's a china-only product unfortunately

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-368 Aeroframe
« on: December 11, 2025, 03:02:51 AM »
recently ordered one. The final price in Italy, painted and with a 5-year warranty, is around €2,000. I bought this aerodynamic bike to use only in circuit races, in a “super-aero” setup (aero bottles, 65 mm wheels, aero helmet, aero chainring, Koegel pulley wheels for time trials). I can send photos in January when it’s ready and fully assembled.  8)

In the meantime, a whole new world opened up for me: I pushed ChatGPT and Gemini hard to figure out where the frame actually comes from. I knew it was Chinese, but I didn’t know from where. That’s how I discovered Veloplus and this forum.  :)

Unfortunately, not great news for me. The seller claimed: “100% Toray 1100S” and 925 grams in size M. So I thought: hey, maybe it uses the same mold but is made in another factory with “higher-grade carbon.” But after further research, it seems that was just an illusion. Most likely he buys it from Veloplus, repaints it, and resells it.

Which is actually fine — custom paint, assembly, warranty, local support in Italy — all good. But lying so much about the carbon quality and the frame weight is not a good move.  :(

When I pick up the frame, I’ll talk to him calmly about it. Then I'll forget this unpleasant story and focus on pushing this "beast" as hard as possible   8)

2k for the full bike or for the frameset? that price with ultegra and carbon wheels is bonkers. Out of curiosity, is the "gara" frame UCI certified? i've seen some stickers in the past on frames that weren't really UCI compliant

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-368 Aeroframe
« on: December 09, 2025, 07:26:54 AM »
Handmade in Italy   ;D ;D
https://www.instagram.com/p/DQ7GwJLkfiT/?img_index=1

Seller seems to be very close to me, from what i've seen he sells chinese OEM frames with custom painting as fully built bikes, no idea on pricing. Might be worth it to go there and check out the 368 in person if he has a shop.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-368 Aeroframe
« on: December 04, 2025, 11:15:13 AM »
Fini is right, that's a nice looking rig mtm.
Latest fitting fun and games on my ugly duckling XL.
TT sofa saddle and higher stem.
The comfort is still impressing us, and I'm loving the reach.
Speed feels easy to maintain
Climbs nicely seated.
Going to take the FL1 out later for a comparison.


are these wheels 45s? maybe with some deeper ones it would look less big  ;D

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-368 Aeroframe
« on: December 04, 2025, 11:13:47 AM »
Here's a picture - ignore the tape on the top tube, it's just to protect it from the handlebar hitting it until I get the bar tape on.

I'm using the LightCarbon HBR17 bars, but got VB to print a custom headset dust cover to fit that bar/stem - it's basically the same as the standard cover, but just with a slightly differently shaped cut-out on the top.

looks really good! what's the final weight (i see some lightweight components so i'm guessing you tried to reduce as much as possible, 8.2/8.5kg?

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-368 Aeroframe
« on: December 01, 2025, 04:08:50 AM »
Can you measure and tell us the width of the bottle?  I can’t find the width anywhere?

i don't have one on my hands unfortunately, i was waiting to see if it made sense to buy it or just stick to round bottles.

EDIT: i did find the size in one aliexpress listing, seems to be 7cm wide?

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-368 Aeroframe
« on: November 30, 2025, 05:21:23 PM »
Not the trek aero bottle shape, I'm to much of a luddite for anything but round.
It was this bottle cage, and admit I didn't bother looking at the dimensions
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EwnTG9a

Sticks out about 11mm either side. Couldn't get a good photo as black on black, sorry.
If anyone finds one that fits pop it up ln :)

Unfortunately the page doesn't exist anymore, i meant this one

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-368 Aeroframe
« on: November 29, 2025, 02:15:41 PM »
The tyres on my XMCS rims measure up near 35 and they fit, but wouldn't want to go any larger. Can't remember if the tyre is a 30 or 32 but will check tomorrow.
The down tube isn't flat on the bottle side, get a measurement and profile for you but the wide aero bottle cage I got from Ali was too wide.

is the aero bottle you mention the copied trek one? would you mind sharing a picture of the frame with the bottle installed so that we can see how much it sticks out?

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild VB-R-368 Aeroframe
« on: November 28, 2025, 02:55:22 PM »
Hi, I’m building my first road bike and I’m unsure what frame to pick 368 or 268.​​⁠ I weigh  74kg and am 186cm. I live in the south coust in Sweden with relatively flat roads but foten a bit windy. Im training for a 315km race. What frame size would you pick aswell? My inseam length is about 88,5cm which makes me a size 58, but I apparently got quite short arms being only 59cm. Inseam to sternum 64cm.

for such distances i would go for the 368 (bear in mind we have no real aero testing so it could be bogus) as comfort and aurodynamics are king. On the sizing, beware that the 58 is almost 2cm longer in reach than the 55, so if you have shorter than usual arms you might need to run a very short stem.

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