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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Spect Strada
« on: September 03, 2026, 10:12:40 AM »
The latest news I’ve seen recently is that this company is getting sued for misleading consumers.

First, they claim their products are TÜV certified, but there's zero record of it on the TÜV site, and they refuse to produce an actual test report.

Second, they're refusing to provide GB standards documentation—which is required by law for any product sold in mainland China. Selling without GB compliance is straight-up illegal over there.

Regardless of how the legal stuff shakes out, my advice is to stay far away from such a sketchy company.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Winspace M6
« on: August 27, 2026, 10:57:21 PM »
I reached out to customer service, and they told me that if I order an XL frame but want a 320mm zero-setback seatpost (XS and S) instead, it’ll cost an extra $80.
They said to just leave a note with the order: '(A 0 setback seatpost in 320mm length for M6)'.

On top of that, they’re charging another $30 for shipping on that $80 swap.
I’m not even buying a second seatpost, but I’m somehow being charged an extra $110 total!

To make matters worse, they also dropped the discount rate to 5%.
This is ridiculous, so I’ve decided not to buy it anymore.🤣

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Positive angled integrated handlebars.
« on: July 16, 2026, 08:21:31 AM »
The Taobao price is RMB 1,380–1,480,
and the custom headset cap is RMB 80–100.
International shipping is extra.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: New Avenger R8-RS
« on: July 11, 2026, 09:13:07 AM »
Quote from: Mariuszuzd on July 11, 2026, 08:20:50 AM
could you be so kind and take a photo of computer mount, ans how it's attached to the handlebar? I have seen some photos but without any hole. I wonder how the mount looks like.

The computer mount is attached to the handlebar with two bolts, as usual.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: New Avenger R8-RS
« on: July 09, 2026, 10:38:53 AM »
Quote from: Pehem on July 09, 2026, 10:22:56 AM
Frame received a few weeks ago. Built with Dura Ace and Campagnolo Bora Ultra 60 wheelset for a total weight of 7,12 kg. The bike is insanely fast (coming from a 2009 Cube and a 2014 sub-6 kg Focus Izalco Max 0.0). Stack is indeed very low, I almost wanted to ask for more spacers but ended up with just the standard 6x5mm spacers. It's an aero bike after all and that would have been not really nice aesthetically. I actually feel very good on the bike now, quite comfortable. I had some issues with some screws and engaging the thread in the nuts (used a tap to clean the threads). Another issue is that I have to apply a lot of torque on the headset to remove any play (there is enough space between expander and top plate and bearings are not compressed at all). I'm guessing it's because there is a lot of friction between the fork and stem. Headset fine tuning was not easy, but maybe I'm just bad. Really happy with the frame regardless.

The frame came with both a steel bolt kit and a titanium bolt kit.
I suspect the titanium bolts are from S-Parts, a brand commonly used by bike shops in China.
While they aren't cheap, they do seem to suffer from occasional QC/tolerance issues.

The steel bolts thread in perfectly, but some holes felt a bit tight with the included titanium ones.
In particular, the M6 × 15mm bolt for the seatpost wedge clamp wouldn't thread in at all when using the provided titanium bolt.
Switching back to the included steel bolt—or using a titanium one I bought separately—worked flawlessly.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: New Avenger R8-RS
« on: July 09, 2026, 10:03:52 AM »
Quote from: Bonus79 on July 09, 2026, 08:55:53 AM
First of all, thanks for the reply.

However, there is something that doesn't quite add up... the 190mm measurement requested in point 1 seems consistent with the 760mm bottom bracket-to-saddle distance and the 525mm seat tube.
What doesn't make sense, though, is the 1050mm measurement from the floor... did you perhaps mean 1005mm?
If the handlebar height from the floor is 885mm, the saddle-to-handlebar drop would be 165mm, whereas you stated the saddle-to-shifter drop is 100mm... and judging by the photo you posted, it is impossible for the shifters to be 65mm higher than the handlebars.

Oops, mistyped. It's supposed to be 1005mm, 100.5cm.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: New Avenger R8-RS
« on: July 09, 2026, 06:34:56 AM »
I recently bought a Cycplus T7, and it makes adjusting the settings incredibly easy.
I've realized that I have a pretty low tolerance when it comes to reach; even a tiny +-10mm variance makes a noticeable difference to me.
On the other hand, I can comfortably tolerate a stack anywhere between 600〜650mm, with 620〜630mm being my absolute sweet spot.
That said, comfort is highly dependent on body proportions, fitness levels, and riding distance, so these numbers probably don't mean much to anyone else.

Quote from: Bonus79 on July 09, 2026, 05:16:20 AM
Hi there—congratulations on the bike!

Regarding the stack measured at the top of the handlebar, I’d say that figure is also listed in the geometry chart (size 56 > 614mm >> 565mm + 49mm).

Since you’re in the mood for taking measurements, could I ask for a couple of numbers?

1) What is the distance from the underside of the saddle rails to the top of the top tube (see the red arrow in the photo)?
2) The saddle height in the photo you posted is 760mm... could I ask you to measure from the floor to the top of the saddle?

Thanks.

1. The length of the section highlighted by the red line is 190mm.

2. The distance from the center of the BB along the seat tube to the top of the saddle is 760mm. The vertical height from the ground to the top of the saddle is 1050mm.

Also, the saddle-to-handlebar drop looks a bit extreme in the photo, but that's likely just due to camera lens distortion.
It doesn't look nearly that drastic in reality.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: New Avenger R8-RS
« on: July 09, 2026, 03:01:23 AM »
Quote from: Mariuszuzd on July 09, 2026, 02:10:42 AM
I checked your data, you attached the screenshot. I see 49 mm, above the stack, so why not 565+49=614 mm of total stack on the handlebar? I would suggest to measure your handlebar height from the bottom, from the ground, on both bikes, maybe that will help? I still working on the length, so that also could help me. I have Falath EXP and it's too low for me, I would need some extra 1-2 cm. So I decided to sell it, and go for R8_RS.

I took some measurements, and the height from the ground to the handlebars is about 885mm, while the ground to the center of the bottom bracket is about 278mm.
That puts the stack at 885 - 278 = 607mm, which is pretty close to what I originally estimated.

Plus, you can add spacers to this bike.
If it feels a bit too low, throwing on a 5 to 10 mm spacer shouldn't ruin the aesthetics at all.

I did notice the '49' in the geometry chart, but the problem is that handlebar rise varies across the board. So, what stem length would actually give you an equivalent reach of 49?

Then again, none of this really matters all that much to me.
I don't race, and I don't need to chase the 'perfect' fit.
Plus, I rotate between nine different bikes, and every single one of them has a slightly different setup.
A higher position feels a bit more comfortable, while a lower one feels more aggressive — to me, that's just part of each bike's unique character.

Since I'm not a bike shop or a manufacturer, having the exact, meticulous data isn't a dealbreaker for my riding.

But I just feel that since they went through the trouble of designing a great bike — and it's not exactly in the budget price range either — the least they could do is get the basic geometry chart and data right.

Consumers shouldn't have to sit around doing the guesswork and math ourselves. :D

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: New Avenger R8-RS
« on: July 08, 2026, 07:00:46 PM »
I assumed the stack would be 565 + 71 = 636mm for a size 56 with a 100 mm stem.

However, once the bike was fully built, I noticed the handlebars felt lower than on my other bikes.
Looking back at the geometry chart, I realized that the stack line actually extends all the way to the top of the stem.
On the other hand, the handlebar rise (Rising height A) is measured from the bottom of the stem.

When I actually measured the height from the bottom to the top of the handlebar, it was about 30mm (or more accurately, somewhere in the 20s, but whatever).
Therefore, the actual stack should be 565 + 71 - 30 = 606mm.
This perfectly explains why the handlebars felt lower than I expected.

The build quality of this bike is excellent, and the design doesn't look like a generic open-mold frame at all.
I really like it and highly recommend it.

That said, they definitely have room for improvement when it comes to the labeling on their geometry charts and the handlebar data.
(They initially told me that the rise was a uniform 71 mm across all handlebars regardless of stem length, but that clearly isn't the case.)

Quote from: Mariuszuzd on July 08, 2026, 11:49:02 AM
Honestly I don't understand that conspiracy theories. How you calculated that 30 mm ? They provided rather clear geometry chart, I added it to the post! However, I also pointed them some time ago, that they had some mistake. Previously for the size 58 they provided 410 mm reach while it's 401 mm. I'm using bike geocalc website for all calculations link - https://www.bikegeocalc.com/#12Avenger+R8RSa0b4c738.90475d270e578.68506f794.05501g1049.20277h340.99523i340j340k1341.855l857m1139.5895n708.53751o1184.13038p958.03145q1217.8362r1321.0362s958.03145t31.8u38v-17.2w0x0y250z40A1B102C0D398.31735E45.16906F165G0H0Z15Falath+EVO+2024a0b4c744.1522d271e574.60949f836.11527g1037.72683h379.23734i340j340k1333.35615l841m1132.9522n700.70902o1175.84345p931.29337q1217.88451r1338.75562s933.75643t31.8u35v10w0.00001x0y250z40A4B120C0D391E45.16905F165G0H0Z

Despite that, all measurements are rather solid and valid. I'm lucky and happy owner of Shuttle SL, also size 58. All dimensions are the same as they provided for that frameset. I'm very interested in buying that frame, I have to choose a color only. Come on, 34 mm tire clearance is too small ? Want more, just buy a gravel frameset, not the aero weapon, ready to build a TT bike. Some guy is still fighting with me on my instagram, on the post related to my Elves Falath EXP. He stated that 25 mm is enough and very comfortable  :D  Of course, there are still some maniacs and strange cyclist, that are using 25 mm for bikes, not on a rim brake frame, but 34 mm is quite a lot! I also have some doubts if I calculated that properly, or the data is not correct, but there is no way to check it. Moreover, they provided the calculation for 90 mm steam only. I need 120 mm, so that is also quite different.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: New Avenger R8-RS
« on: July 08, 2026, 07:51:36 AM »
Quote from: arvh on July 08, 2026, 07:27:36 AM
Tire clearance from their website (just search 34 and it will show): https://avengerbikes.com/blogs/news/aero-validation-avenger-r8rs-wind-tunnel-performance-report

So the stack given in their geometry chart is including the handlebar rise?

In geometry charts, stack is measured to the top of the stem.

However, the upper headset cup actually has about a 30mm drop (on a size 56 frame, though I'm not sure about other sizes).

So, the actual stack for a size 56 frame should be: the stack from the geometry chart - 30mm + handlebar rise.

By the way, I noticed the geometry is very similar to the Cervélo S5.（At least on a size 56, the stack from the geometry chart + 40mm handlebar rise）

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: New Avenger R8-RS
« on: July 03, 2026, 10:57:19 AM »
Quote from: arvh on July 03, 2026, 07:55:46 AM
Love the look of it!

Which groupset did you build it up with? Do you think it is possible to build it with mechanical shifters?

I’m running a 12-speed Ultegra Di2 setup.

The hydraulic hose routing on this bike is pretty straightforward: the hoses exit through small holes on both sides of the stem and enter two small ports on the handlebar.

While routing them is incredibly easy, each port can only fit a single line.
Moreover, there are no routing holes on the frame for mechanical shifting.

Unfortunately, this means the frame is incompatible with mechanical shifting.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: New Avenger R8-RS
« on: June 12, 2026, 12:26:58 PM »
Quote from: cateto on June 12, 2026, 09:33:49 AM
@crwlv888 what is the real tire clearance of the frameset? does it clear 35mm WAM tires? Or maybe even 37?

I'm currently using 30c tires (which measure 31mm in actual width).
Unfortunately, I only have this size on hand, so I won't be able to answer your question. :-\

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: New Avenger R8-RS
« on: June 12, 2026, 07:47:29 AM »
Quote from: glitch on June 12, 2026, 07:07:02 AM
What was the wieght for a 56 frame with the aero bar cockpit? (if you know) :)

My size 56 weighs 7.4 kg, including the pedals and computer mount.
The aerobars weigh 110g, and the other hardware and pads are around 440g.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: New Avenger R8-RS
« on: June 12, 2026, 04:51:35 AM »
Quote from: cateto on June 12, 2026, 02:38:15 AM
Amazing build, looks really nice.
With how many spacers was the frame shipped? I am planning to run 1 to 2 cm of spacers, but I don't know if it would look fugly or not...
Btw what saddle height are you running and what's the saddle-to-bar drop?

My frame is a size 56, with a saddle height (BB-to-saddle) of 76 cm and a 10 cm saddle-to-hood drop.

The bike shipped with one 0.5 cm spacer, and you could probably ask them for more if needed.

I actually saw a build on their official Facebook page that used two 0.5 cm spacers, and it looked not so bad. However, I prefer a completely slammed, flush look from the top tube to the handlebars, so I didn't use any spacers at all.😆

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: New Avenger R8-RS
« on: June 11, 2026, 12:26:29 PM »
The frame was packaged and protected very well, and the entire bike is equipped with silver titanium bolts.

According to the frame geometry chart, the handlebar rise is between 70.8 and 82.5mm. However, since the head tube drops by about 30mm, you actually need to subtract 30mm from the stack value. The seatpost has a 5mm setback (sadly, there wasn't a 0mm inline option).

Once assembled, the bike looks great.

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