does anyone have a 3d print model for garmin varia and quickpro er:one?

this is the best that I have found for the moment https://makerworld.com/it/models/3054120-ouick-pro-seatpost-90-degree-for-garmin

Thank you Sander, very detailed reply...especially useful since you have tested so many wheels.

After thinking about tire width, I would not run anything narrower than 32mm WAM today and in the future. There is simply no real reason to go back, because going from a 32mm (nominal width) Michelin Pro 5 TLR (the tire I use now) to a 30mm only saves about 25g, and going down to 28mm (nominal) only saves another 25g (meaning 100g for the wheelset if switching both tires from 32 nominal to 28 nominal). Nominal 28mm (on something like 21-23mm IW) is what I would run if I was looking for a superlight wheelset, but with 24-25mm IW I suppose that the minimum is a nominal 30mm, at that point no reason not to go for a nominal 32mm since it rolls better on bad surface, it is more comfortable, there is no aero penalty, it has more grip...the only real downside is a 50g penalty (absolutely negligible).

What I cannot understand from all the technical data available online is how smooth the transition between the tire and the rim is for each of these wheels, as far as I know this is the new topic in this tire/rim optimization problem.

Same as above, Serenade would be a good shout and should be able to do a 28-spoke build, I believe. Serenades rim catalogue attached they have 23mm inner 60mm

I also know that Zen are using the H-Works SR308, which is as a gravel-specific hub, but there's obviously no reason why it can't be used in a road wheel build as well.

Ask then if they can do 24/28 as they sell individual wheels they maybe able to do 24/28 hubs

https://h-works.cn/products/sr308

Or i would contact also Tagoola and see if they can offer someting like attached with steel spokes:
https://www.tagoola.cn/product/pulse-r23-60/

Most of the brands can be very accomodating

Alright, so I studied many possible combinations for this new wheelset since it is going to be installed on my new QuickPro ER:One. For me it is absolutely mandatory to use steel spokes: they just make more sense for a wheelset that needs to be reliable and for easier maintenance at home (truing, etc.). I started with the idea of having 24/28 spokes, but the market is overwhelmingly focused on 24/24 or 21/24 for road wheelset. I guess that is enough, my weight is 81 kg, FTP around 280-290W, I do not race, some sprint just for fun but I cannot push more than 1300W anyway.

Overall system weight: 81 kg (me), 8 kg (bike), 3 kg maybe for everything else (water, food, tools, clothing, etc.). Total 92kg, that leaves me a significant margin for any wheel rated to 120 kg max weight. I would not go for 110 kg since I might do some road bikepacking, so the overall system weight might rise to 100-105 kg.

The highest stress that these wheels are going to experience will be potholes and road bumps to limit cars speed; road surface is extremely variable here in northern Italy, it constantly alternates between relativey smooth to terrible, easily comparable with cobbled roads in Belgium (I rode Flanders cyclosportive in 2023 and some cobbled sectors were smoother than some roads at home). Sometimes the road surface becomes full of bumps and potholes while you are riding at 45-55 km\h on a false flat at the end of a descent, but you cannot move to the center of the road (better tarmac) because there's traffic. Those situations are very bad, very dangerous and you absolutely need wheels that can withstand that kind of multiple high energy impact, a situation that sometimes goes on for 30-60 seconds before you can finally move somewhere else on the road. Associate all this with very, very long alpine descents (we are talking 20+ km) where you constantly accelerate to 60-70 km\h and brake to 20 km\h for hairpins.

24/24 or 21/24 steel spokes with deep carbon rims should be enough to withstand this kind of stress, also due to the fact that I run 30/32mm tires (current front tire measures 31mm WAM and rear 33mm WAM) and that deep carbon rims should be strong enough when chosen in a non-ultralight layup.

another important requirement is the rim depth: 55mm minimum since these are going to be used with a QuickPro ER:One, so I want something that is consistent with the aero look of the frame.

keeping all these things in mind, I have narrowed down my options mainly because nowadays most brands only offer carbon spokes (that I don't want). here is my list:

1) Elite Drive SL 58D SS - final price 880€ - depth 58mm - IW 25mm - EW 36mm front / 34mm rear - proprietary Elite hubs - weight 1451g - 60T ratchet - Sapim CX Ray - alloy nipples - 120 kg max weight - 24 2x rear - 21 front with radial lacing on NDS
Pros: quick buy, the brand is now getting some presence in western market (I am talking shops like Mantel, Ridewill, etc.) and western press, so probably easier to sell
Cons: I'd prefer silver hubs and spokes (they match better with the frame that has silver/holographic logo), I'd prefer brass nipples for durability, EW very wide especially in the front (33-34mm WAM tire almost mandatory), semi-matte finish (I'd prefer glossy), 21 spokes in front wheel with radial lacing on NDS does not sound too robust (it is a well accepted theory that radial lacing should not be used in disc brake wheels)

2) Zen Vaporlite II - final price 730€ - depth 60mm - IW 25mm - EW 36mm - ZC261 silver hubs (same as H-Works SR261) - weight 1440g (on-paper approximation, real weight may be different) - 54T ratchet - Silver CX Ray - brass nipples - 120 kg max weight - 24/24 spokes with 2x lacing
Pros: cheaper, silver hubs and spokes, brass nipples, I can get glossy finish, 24/24 spokes with better lacing pattern in my opinion
Cons: much less known brand, no idea about hub quality and reliability, EW 36mm means 33-34mm WAM tire almost mandatory

3) Zen MR55 - final price 780€ - depth 55mm - IW 25mm - EW 31.4mm - ZC261 silver hubs (same as H-Works SR261) - weight 1280g (on-paper approximation, real weight may be different) - 54T ratchet - Silver CX Ray - brass nipples - 130 kg max weight - 24/24 spokes with 2x lacing
Pros: price, silver hubs and spokes, brass nipples, I can get glossy finish, 24/24 spokes with better lacing pattern in my opinion, much lower weight, 130 kg max weight, narrower EW means I can still use 30-31mm WAM tires if I want to do that
Cons: MR rims have moulded spoke holes instead of drilled spoke holes. As far as I understand, this results in less material needed, less rim weight and probably better compaction of carbon layers around the nipple hole. However, I have no idea about the maturity level of this technology (e.g., achieving very good compaction of carbon around the nipple holes).

4) XMCS T1100 wheels - final price 730€ - depth 60mm - IW 24mm - EW 32.9mm - proprietary R280 hubs - weight unknown - 54T ratchet - Sapim CX Ray - alloy nipples - 120kg max weight - 24/24 spokes with 2x lacing
Pros: price, can probably get silver hubs, silver spokes and brass nipples, can get glossy finish, probably the best tradeoff for IW/EW combo among all these wheels, 24/24 spokes with better lacing pattern in my opinion
Cons: no idea about hub quality and durability, weight is about 1265g for 50mm version so 60mm version with brass nipples will probably be around 1400g (heavier than MR55 but not that much)

If XMCS can meet my requirement at 730€ (in terms of silver hubs and spokes, brass nipples), I think that it might be the most reasonable choice. I am very curious about the MR55 rims, but I feel like XMCS is just a more "tried-and-tested" brand/factory at the moment.

@ZenCarbonBike do you have any picture of any of your wheels built with silver hubs and CX-Ray silver spokes ?

I am currently looking at wheelsets for my new QuickPro ER:One and I think that silver hubs/spokes would perfectly match the raw carbon look of the frame, especially with that kind of quickpro decal on the frame

I ordered these in the Ti version for my ER One. They work well.

how much weight do you save on the er one using these axles?

Despite everyone going for sub 1kg wheelset with carbon spokes, I need help finding a wheelset with these specs:

- 65 mm profile (60mm also acceptable)
- 24/28 spokes (24/24 if it is really impossible to find 24/28)
- 23 to 24 mm internal width (no 25mm and above)
- CX Ray spokes (no carbon spokes)

The closest I can get, apparently, is a set from XMCS with 65mm rims, 24mm IW, 24/24 cx ray.

Does anybody know buy how much the price will rise?

100$, that will become 200$ since also the discount codes will expire.

Would also be interested in hearing how to use a traditional stem/bar combo to test out stem length.

And i just cant decide whether i should go for an ER:One or wait for something with a higher stack (like Tavelo Arden) at the moment i got a canyon ultimate in S (390 Reach, 539 stack, 90mm stem) and i would like to have more reach and more stack…so i would need to have maybe some spacer plus riser cockpit on the Er:One due to its Stack being so low :/

this is an image I found on WW forum. it looks like it is possible to install a normal round spacer on top of the original spacers, so that there is enough room to fit a normal stem. it does not look that bad.
in my case, I would do this while waiting for the HBR20 handlebar from Lightcarbon