Thanks Sebastian,

Interesting, "alleged" performance differences between the copies and the original. I wouldn't care if the Velobuild 218 for example wasnt as good as the original, as long as it is plenty stiff enough, and it clearly isn't too heavy for a race bike. It will obviously be just as aero as the original. For the money what is not to love about these Chinese frame sets!

Lots and lot of hate and scaremongering on the internet. Most of the hate probably comes from snobs who can never admit to themselves they payed £10,000 extra to save 300g and have a cleaner looking bearing interface

Loving the current bike builds of this 218 frame. Personally the Pinarello Prince, the F12 and F are the most beautiful frames to me. The Prince is probably the only one realistically within my reach at a stretch to afford.

So, do i keep saving and try to get a real Pinarello Prince, or, should i buy a 218 Velobuild?

Could i ask what everyones experience with these frames / velobuild frames are? Im reading that the carbon layup is actually different to the originals, so how does that translate in real world riding? A few grams heavier? What about stiffness, thats more important to me than weight i would say.

One last question, would the Velobuild 218 be any better, or worse than an aliexpress replica (some of the paint jobs on those are incredible)

Many thanks everyone.

Yeah i heard the same rumour of a new aero frame, i really hope its not just those updates, id love to see them do a completely new design, as much as i love the current one.