Quote from: k_ba on October 26, 2026, 03:50:34 AMHi,
what would be the mould recommended for a 2by - 48/31T? The new or the old one?

 The new 48T option supports GRX 50/34T, while 46T only supports GRX 48/31T. The 48T version is also compatible with 46T.

GRT in beach race config.

63.3WAM tires, 4mm clearance at the chain stays.

7.9kg excl pedals (and without storage door I see 😉).

And completed build

Man if the reach were a touch longer it would be the perfect bike. But it's way too short unfortunately. Any other options with similar geo (but longer) and 2x compatibility?

Quote from: Eddy_Twerckx on October 28, 2026, 11:56:46 AMMan if the reach were a touch longer it would be the perfect bike. But it's way too short unfortunately. Any other options with similar geo (but longer) and 2x compatibility?

The reach is already quite long when looking at other western bike such as Specialized Crux at 395 (size M) vs a size 54 Crux (388)...It's not as long as some other gravel bike but it's not on the short side either. Finding 2x modern gravel race bike with good tire clearance is pretty much impossible these day.

If you'd plot the GRT against all competition it'd be a bit on the longer end.

For us we felt this was a sweet spot, where the frame works for people with a normal fit and also quite well for people who want to go a bit longer.

We didn't design the first XMCS aero gravel bike to be an extreme package, as it would alienate the 'customer in the middle'.

Like always, there isn't a single frame that works for everyone.

Having said that, the Belgium pro rider that will use the black GRT for beach racing 'only' needed a 120mm stem. Indicating to me that we got it in the ball park for more serious racers too.

Quote from: Requiem84 on October 29, 2026, 02:14:01 AMIf you'd plot the GRT against all competition it'd be a bit on the longer end.

For us we felt this was a sweet spot, where the frame works for people with a normal fit and also quite well for people who want to go a bit longer.

We didn't design the first XMCS aero gravel bike to be an extreme package, as it would alienate the 'customer in the middle'.

Like always, there isn't a single frame that works for everyone.

Having said that, the Belgium pro rider that will use the black GRT for beach racing 'only' needed a 120mm stem. Indicating to me that we got it in the ball park for more serious racers too.

I mean I get your point about wanting to find a happy middle ground, not too long not too short, but using pros as an example is a bit lazy. MVDP also rides a short fit with a 110 stem and wide handlebars, he's got an FTP of 450 and is one of the best riders in the world (I'd say despite his rather bad fit on the bike that he's used to from his CX days!). My power is 70W lower, I suck at racing compared to him, and I still need a much longer fit because I've got totally different body morphology. Many Uno X riders use the Ridley Noah Fast with long 150+mm Deda stems despite the longer fit of the frame and so on; it's like there's as many fits as there are riders.

I asked this some months before and didn't get an answer then, but has anyone built up this frame with a headset cover that takes exposed non-integrated brake hoses, something like what Mondince and Tideace often have for their frames? I am very much interested in buying the GRT but because of the shorter fit I can't use an integrated barstem (nobody makes them in 150mm+ stem lengths), and semi-integrated solutions like Deda aren't really cutting it because of the rather high stack of this frame. I'd ideally want to use something like a -12 or -17 standard stem with long reach handlebars, and route the cables externally up to the headset where they'd go in those little holes/slots.

GRT's reach is a little bit longer than on any of my previous gravel/CX bikes so I'm on the opposite side. Will be using slightly shorter stem (110 -> 100) on this to get similar fit. Everyone is different but to me as well the GRT geometry seems to be the sweet spot.

Quote from: Buffon_bj on October 29, 2026, 03:43:22 AMI asked this some months before and didn't get an answer then, but has anyone built up this frame with a headset cover that takes exposed non-integrated brake hoses, something like what Mondince and Tideace often have for their frames? I am very much interested in buying the GRT but because of the shorter fit I can't use an integrated barstem (nobody makes them in 150mm+ stem lengths), and semi-integrated solutions like Deda aren't really cutting it because of the rather high stack of this frame. I'd ideally want to use something like a -12 or -17 standard stem with long reach handlebars, and route the cables externally up to the headset where they'd go in those little holes/slots.

Pros use 150mm stem because they size down their frame for weight and stiffness, the new Canyon Grail has long reach should fit you better

Quote from: RLA on October 29, 2026, 05:38:28 AMGRT's reach is a little bit longer than on any of my previous gravel/CX bikes so I'm on the opposite side. Will be using slightly shorter stem (110 -> 100) on this to get similar fit. Everyone is different but to me as well the GRT geometry seems to be the sweet spot.

I'd be be careful sizing down your stem as the integrated cockpit has quite a short reach at 72mm. I was using a 110mm stem on my Crux with a 79mm reach aero bar and although the GRT was 7mm longer than the Crux, the shorter reach handlebar compensated for the reach difference and went with the same 110mm stem integrated cockpit. I've yet to receive the frame and cockpit so let's hope I didn't mess up 

With the handlebar: be mindful that if you go for the Riser handlebar and will take out spacers, it effectively INCREASES (edit) reach.

Quote from: LP119 on October 29, 2026, 09:22:04 AMI'd be be careful sizing down your stem as the integrated cockpit has quite a short reach at 72mm. I was using a 110mm stem on my Crux with a 79mm reach aero bar and although the GRT was 7mm longer than the Crux, the shorter reach handlebar compensated for the reach difference and went with the same 110mm stem integrated cockpit. I've yet to receive the frame and cockpit so let's hope I didn't mess up 

I went with the flat road handlebar option (77mm reach) as gravel version has too much flare for my liking. My current integrated handlebar seems to have 70mm reach so if anything then the 100mm stem might be too long. Although planning to bring the handlebar a little bit higher, which might cover this difference.

Quote from: involuntarysoul on October 29, 2026, 08:52:50 AMPros use 150mm stem because they size down their frame for weight and stiffness, the new Canyon Grail has long reach should fit you better

The Grail has 1) worse tyre clearance than the GRT 2) a bad proprietary barstem solution that can't accommodate an aftermarket stem and 3) costs way more. The Mondince FM316 has similar great geometry but doesn't take big tyres.

Quote from: Buffon_bj on October 29, 2026, 01:17:26 PMThe Grail has 1) worse tyre clearance than the GRT 2) a bad proprietary barstem solution that can't accommodate an aftermarket stem and 3) costs way more. The Mondince FM316 has similar great geometry but doesn't take big tyres.

57mm is not enough?? I guess you need full custom frame

Quote from: involuntarysoul on October 29, 2026, 05:27:43 PM57mm is not enough?? I guess you need full custom frame

No, 57mm would be plenty if it were real 57mm clearance, but the Grail is rated for 57mm WAM with 4mm clearance, which doesn't allow me to run all tyres I want without risk of issues in the wet/mud, whereas the XMCS can run up to 2.35 tyres with no problem.