As noted in the other thread Velobuild has released GF-003 frame.

http://www.velobuild.com/products/gf-003-carbon-fiber-gravel-frameset

have the seraph / tantan version of this on the way here.

Quote from: mrdawson on November 03, 2022, 11:02:17 AM
have the seraph / tantan version of this on the way here.

Looks like a lot of sellers picked this up, maybe that's a good sign for the quality of this frame? There's a thread about the SP Cycles version on here, as well. I've also spotted it on the Ali sites.

Lisa from Tantan sent me this.

Looks like a copy of the Wilier Jena

Quote from: Serge_K on November 07, 2022, 04:23:34 AM
Note: SPCycle makes handlebars that flare out in the drops. I think VB sells the same handlebars for both road and gravel bikes?

My GF002 frame came with non flared handlebar. Browsing their handlebar and stem section none of the bars are flared. I wish there were flared bars at least as option.

geo same as jena.
is some differences in the frame itself as far as how seatpost attaches, ports etc.

Quote from: Serge_K on November 07, 2022, 04:23:34 AM

Note that the GF-003 may be manufactured by SPCycle? (SP-G056). It looks like SPCycle is a bike manufacturer for 10 years (we know that Velobuild does not make frames, they source them and sell them).

So it looks like SPCycle makes the gravel bikes (GF-002 and GF-003) that Velobuild sells.
Note: SPCycle makes handlebars that flare out in the drops. I think VB sells the same handlebars for both road and gravel bikes?

I think the GF-002 and GF-003 Velobuild offers are common moulds which is why other brands make/sell them as well. Confirmed with VB that SPCycle doesn't make the frames VB sells.

Quote from: coffeebreak on November 06, 2022, 03:38:55 PM
Lisa from Tantan sent me this.

Interesting, this is the same bike SPCycle has on their site https://www.sp-cycle.com/2023-new-t1000-carbon-gravel-frame-70047c-cyclocross-bike-frame-t47-disc-brake-gravel-bike-frameset-road-bike-frame-p4468945.html

Quote from: hazzer19 on November 09, 2022, 04:42:38 PM

Interesting, this is the same bike SPCycle has on their site https://www.sp-cycle.com/2023-new-t1000-carbon-gravel-frame-70047c-cyclocross-bike-frame-t47-disc-brake-gravel-bike-frameset-road-bike-frame-p4468945.html

Hard to say who is making what. Sometimes I like to think it's just one big operation with various "fronts".