Quote from: jonathanf2 on July 24, 2023, 04:51:57 PM
The more I look at this frame, the uglier it looks to me. It's as if someone asked AI to design a bike to look like a bodybuilder juiced on 'roids with boxy a** muscles.

You're not alone 

Pat, I noticed you had this ring and are running AXS with it: https://pq-bike.com/collections/130bcd

even though the site says: "Standard 9/10/11/12 speed is available, sram axs cannot"

I guess it works though? I need a 46t ring...

EDIT: Woops see you have the direct mount and it doesn't have that spec, my bad!

Quote from: pearl on July 25, 2023, 03:59:03 PM
Pat, I noticed you had this ring and are running AXS with it: https://pq-bike.com/collections/130bcd

even though the site says: "Standard 9/10/11/12 speed is available, sram axs cannot"

I guess it works though? I need a 46t ring...

EDIT: Woops see you have the direct mount and it doesn't have that spec, my bad!

Yup! I bought mine from AliX which specifies 12 Speed:

PASS QUEST Round Chainring 107BCD for Sram Rival AXS 12S Crankset 107 Bcd MTB Road Bike Chainwheel 36 40 42 54 56 58 T

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805496424292.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

I need a 130 bcd sadly... bummer

So, here's my experience with the frame, btw i bought it from Sequel Aliexpress, so they sell it with different handlebar, they also include ceramic BB:

Positives:
1) The frame is super high quality, fork steerer is round, bearing seat stay is also perfect fit without wobble, inside is clean and not bad.
2) It's stiff, responsive as my aluminium frame, but much more comfortable (i'm living in Uzbekistan and our roads are not that good), i'm using 28c tyre btw. But some folks including my LBS master and friend who saw how i ride and tried bike by themselves, said that it wobbles a little bit and they said that it's not a bad thing, but i didn't noticed, coming from Aluminium frame and and i wanted the same stiffness.
3) Handlebar is also stiff, and really good
4) I thought that i need to replace ceramic bearings in BB, but by a spin test, it spins extremely good.
5) TanTan made a really good thing with their seatpost, that have rails like TT bikes, allowing you for wider range of movement.

Negatives:
1) Handlebar, seatpost clamp have such a tight fit, that they need to be polished or you just couldn't insert them.
2) LBS master said that he tried everything, by couldn't route cables internally, they are visible under stem, he said that holes in handlebar are small.


Sorry for my bad english and low amount of photos, i didn't have time to make them

*update*
Components and everything else for the bike including prices you can find here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NXJkVPyU0gNzbjs-0Z0nKeOFNHTmwJx_35oN1GhVfI0/edit?usp=sharing
The overall weight is 8.3kg

Quote from: Velovelo on April 09, 2023, 02:24:50 AM
Still looking forward to a community inspired bike frame, i.e. "ChinerTown" (...to agree on a suitable name) official frame with UCI certification, on which all our needs are met 

Have Fusion 360 and a 3d printer will travel....

Anyone would know the length required for the bottom bracket?

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking here. Pat's experience was that the width between faces of the bottom bracket shell was 86.5mm if that helps.

TanTan x38 Review is live.

Youtube Search: TanTan x38 Review - Aero Isn't Everything

Thanks for the review! I'm curious what you meant by it not being refined. Just kinda loose? Doesn't go where you expect?

Thanks for the review! I like how you are able to contextualize the performance of the frame given its price point.

It is fair to try to compare it to more expensive bike frames, because this is the goal: trying to improve value for the money in the end.

Quote from: elmtree on August 14, 2023, 03:27:18 PM
Thanks for the review! I'm curious what you meant by it not being refined. Just kinda loose? Doesn't go where you expect?

Best way to describe the feeling and sensation is think 1990s Japanese tuner sports car versus their modern day stock counterpart.

Quote from: patliean1 on August 15, 2023, 08:57:38 AM
Best way to describe the feeling and sensation is think 1990s Japanese tuner sports car versus their modern day stock counterpart.

Honestly, I'm a little sad that you didn't like that frame, I don't have expensive frame to compare it with, but man this is the best road bike I've ridden in my life, stiff enough and extremely comfy.

Quote from: patliean1 on August 15, 2023, 08:57:38 AM
Best way to describe the feeling and sensation is think 1990s Japanese tuner sports car versus their modern day stock counterpart.

Funny. If I had the itch to do another bike build, your review wouldn't put me off, or get me very excited about this particular frame. Not a bad thing. It's just, like you said, nothing too distinguishing other than the polarizing looks. I feel like I could just edit in "TT-X21" for every specific reference to "TT-X38" in your road tests.

Thanks for the review!

11:00 mark onward - One of the most popular cycling podcast shows Chris Miller/Jesse Coyle shout me out and discusses my TanTan x38 review. They offer up some really good perspective. And honestly their perspective on the x38 might actually be more "reasonable" than mine. Super flattered to see the China Forums being represented.

YouTube Title: Are INEOS Too Soft on Pidcock & We Want a UCI Masters World Champs | The NERO Show Ep. 46