Author Topic: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)  (Read 134388 times)

neobiker

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #840 on: December 04, 2024, 12:31:49 AM »
I'd say that dealing with LC was ultimately what turned me sour..  They wouldn't acknowledge any of the issues or would attempt to gaslight me up until I filed a dispute with PayPal.    Looking back I remember that Wendy had tried to convince me to pay via the Friends and family option on PayPal which wouldn't have given me any recourse whatsoever.

Can you share a screenshot of the conversation?

Wendy forces me to pay with business on PayPal all the time, exactly for avoiding any refunding issues.

neobiker

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #841 on: December 04, 2024, 12:36:17 AM »
One of the benefits of living in a western democracy is being able to voice opinions without fear or favor.

Pleaser, get a reality check: only the US allows to voice an opinion devoid of factuality. Most EU countries have a form of censorship around bullshit (and especially hate speech, but it is another question).

Freedom of speech mainly exists in the US as a constitutional right, and  it has been weponized to promote BS and quackery…


Finally, there is a difference in a constructive feedback (even shared publicly) and a bad faith relentlessness to bad mouth a company. I am not saying LC is perfect, but we should hold LC to the same standard as the other brands and we do accept defects in all products [high end luxury watches (my mother was repairing 200k+ USD Swiss watches), cars, or Boeing planes for that matter, do you still fly them?], the question is which rate of failure can we infer. Having a witnesses only encompass the absolute count of bad stories and fails to consider all the successes. But don’t get me wrong, it is really bad to send defect(ish) frames to clients and should be avoided at all costs, but there are enough videos of western brand being ashamed by Hambini for their construction and we fail to hear about all those the mechanics despise as well.

Let’s not forget as well as negative reviews surfaces more often than positive ones, creating a bias. So let’s balance a bit:

- There are many positive reviews in their EU website [probably really biased xD]
- More objectively, many small brands sold their previous flagship (LCR-0XD) and these frames got stellar reviews. Even Mercedes is selling their frame
- A UCI professional team used their frames for a season almost unnoticed.
- Hambini would have been happy to ream their frames if they were shit (and could have done it twice) [although I can’t tell if he was paid or not, but in good faith, let’s say he was not).

Personally, I am a Swiss and would love to afford the Teammachine R from BMC, even after Hambini review of one of their frame.

Shit happens, and it could be just bad luck [a single individual (disohonest or sick) in the chain did not the job properly) or a systemic issue [the whole company had shitty production policies, consumer support policies]. We should remain in good faith and gather more evidence before making shitty conclusions.

 
« Last Edit: December 04, 2024, 01:05:12 AM by neobiker »

dinorello

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #842 on: December 04, 2024, 05:01:00 AM »
Free market economics and buyer beware are the best we've got.
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neobiker

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #843 on: December 04, 2024, 05:11:46 AM »
Free market economics and buyer beware are the best we've got.
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Are you certain? Because the FDA, food safety, ISO regulation and standards are a real things and are against free markets?

Buyer beware policies usually results in disfavored people getting scammed...

Nkearb

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #844 on: December 04, 2024, 12:12:34 PM »
The CCP should arrest dinorello for wrongthink

Makes sense to me

neobiker

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #845 on: December 04, 2024, 12:29:45 PM »
Makes sense to me

Please, don't misquote people, this is childish and please do not associate me with the CCP, a genocidal autocratic government.

People can make logical fallacies in government, pretty much a constant across the world.

It would be great if we could stop reducing economy to a binary system between capitalism or communism as there can be a spectrum in between, Switzerland being such example (extremely tight regulation while being considered on of the country with the most economic freedom, 90k USD/year median income, low taxes,  as well as 4 weeks minimal holiday (plus any sick days, plus 2 per month to take care of your kid on case of sickness, 18 months of unemployment insurance at 70-80% of your salary)
« Last Edit: December 04, 2024, 12:43:38 PM by neobiker »

dinorello

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #846 on: December 04, 2024, 07:06:38 PM »
Makes sense to me
Hahaha
If I'm not nice to the new dear leader of the United States, I could be getting a knock at the door in the middle of the night
« Last Edit: December 04, 2024, 07:08:14 PM by dinorello »

dinorello

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #847 on: December 04, 2024, 07:15:36 PM »
Can you share a screenshot of the conversation?

Wendy forces me to pay with business on PayPal all the time, exactly for avoiding any refunding issues.
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You'll have to take my word for it

Ar26

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #848 on: Today at 01:50:55 AM »
Excuse me for intervening in this political forum. Otherwise, for me...........it's a real pleasure to ride the LC. Again a thousand apologies

neobiker

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #849 on: Today at 07:31:36 AM »
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You'll have to take my word for it

Anyone else had Wendy ask them top as with PayPal friends and family? We have several people buying from Lc, we could have more evidence of this?

Bonpensiero

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #850 on: Today at 08:35:33 AM »
Nope. One of the usual payment phrases at LC and from Wendy is:

We can accept payment as follows:
1) Paypal (4.5% handling fee)
2) International bank transfer (US$30 one-time fee)
3) PayPal Friend & Family, Alipay, WeChat pay (No payment fee)


Why should they only offer PayPal Friends? That would be nonsense.

Sitar_Ned

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #851 on: Today at 08:37:49 AM »
So I've received multiple notifications from members flagging this thread... I'm not going to edit anything just ask that we please keep this thread on-topic and take the political talk to the off-topic section of the forum. Thanks.
« Last Edit: Today at 08:40:10 AM by Sitar_Ned »

rasch

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #852 on: Today at 10:34:14 AM »
Anyone else had Wendy ask them top as with PayPal friends and family? We have several people buying from Lc, we could have more evidence of this?

Nope.
Nope. One of the usual payment phrases at LC and from Wendy is:

We can accept payment as follows:
1) Paypal (4.5% handling fee)
2) International bank transfer (US$30 one-time fee)
3) PayPal Friend & Family, Alipay, WeChat pay (No payment fee)


Why should they only offer PayPal Friends? That would be nonsense.

Exactly same as here.

dinorello

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #853 on: Today at 02:41:44 PM »
Can you share a screenshot of the conversation?

Wendy forces me to pay with business on PayPal all the time, exactly for avoiding any refunding issues.

Look now you're misquoting me. I never said she "forced me" only she tried to convince me

neobiker

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #854 on: Today at 04:43:14 PM »
Look now you're misquoting me. I never said she "forced me" only she tried to convince me

My bad, sorry.

In this case, anyone else who had Wendy tried to "convince" them to use Family and Friends?

Still no for me.