Author Topic: 258 vs 036  (Read 5107 times)

gmo

258 vs 036
« on: April 14, 2018, 05:25:39 PM »
This also applies to 058 (258 newer model of same frame?)...

I'll start with background .. then questions.. opinions appreciated.

I have IP-036 (xmiplay).. within 2 weeks the chainstay cracked.  Should have been covered but they gave me a hard time and was easier and quicker to just pay $115 and have a new one sent.  The new piece was incompatible with the hardware from the original frame (different bushing type  .. c-clip vs push-in).  I had to custom order shim washers in order to make the bike rideable.  XMIPlay was useless in trying to rectify the issue.  While the bike is rideable, there is now an insane amount of play in the rear and I'm looking for a solution, or considering scrapping and purchasing a different frame.  Questions, for those of you in the know, are:

1) Do you think if i take to a LBS, they may be able to fix the problem?
2) xmiplay has IP-FS029 (http://www.xmiplay.com/ProductDetails1724).  Is this the same as FM-258 (http://www.hongfu-bikes.com/html_Products/Mountain_Frame/29ER_Mountain_Frame/2017/0622/482.html) ?
3) Does anyone own any of these bikes and can they comment on the play in the bushings?  Solid?  Or is their play?
4) Has anyone ridden the 036 and the newer style and can comment on the difference?

much thanks!
-gmo



cbenj42

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2018, 04:56:16 PM »
The fact that Xmiplay wouldn't honor their warranty on a two-week old frame would scare me off from doing any business with them in the future. It also definitely doesn't help their case that they sent you the wrong chainstay. A LBS might be able to create some kind of temporary fix for your pivot play issues, but you might just as well served going to a hardware store and finding some kind of nylon spacer that will press it together.

As for differences between the two frames, the FS029 is not the same as the FM258. The FS029 has a 2.1 degree slacker HTA, a 180mm minimum rear disc brake rotor, shorter reach, and different pivot assemblies, to name a few differences to the FM258. The FS029 is also made by XM Carbonspeed, which has a reputation for good communication and warranty policy. You can find the geometry chart here http://www.xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1527. Both frames have a "flex pivot" where the rear pivot would be on the 036, so they would both be much stiffer.

Although I do not own either of those frames, I have seen a few build threads on the FM258 variation, the FM058. I would go that route given the documentation that exists on the frames. The Hongfu frame seems very solid, and is also being sold by the European companies Megamo and Price. Russian World Cup XC racer Anton Sintsov appears to be racing on an FM258 frame currently, and Swiss rider Martin Fanger just completed the Absa Cape Epic on an FM058.

carbonazza

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2018, 07:18:56 AM »
...Russian World Cup XC racer Anton Sintsov appears to be racing on an FM258 frame currently, and Swiss rider Martin Fanger just completed the Absa Cape Epic on an FM058.
That is interesting.
Have you some pictures of these bikers on the bike ?
I can only find ones with branded bikes.

Stef27

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2018, 12:02:38 PM »
never buy with xmiplay.........they are liars and scammers

cbenj42

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2018, 06:09:20 PM »
That is interesting.
Have you some pictures of these bikers on the bike ?
I can only find ones with branded bikes.

I found some photos of the Price and Megamo branded frames, but on closer inspection, Sintsov might be on a de-labeled Scott Spark.

https://imgur.com/WMY5kXD
https://imgur.com/XCewuFS
https://imgur.com/rxSbNgo
https://imgur.com/kSvOr4u
« Last Edit: April 16, 2018, 06:10:56 PM by cbenj42 »

carbonazza

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2018, 07:27:47 AM »
I'm surprised to see the rear shock in both directions in the pictures below:
https://imgur.com/XCewuFS
https://imgur.com/rxSbNgo

Anyone knows if that makes a difference ?

Sitar_Ned

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2018, 07:32:39 PM »
never buy with xmiplay.........they are liars and scammers

Really? Can you be more specific? Not saying you're right or wrong, just curious as to what happened to them as a seller.

RS VR6

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2018, 07:55:08 PM »
How many version of this frame are there? I'm really leaning towards the 058...or a variant of it.

gmo

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2018, 10:53:49 PM »
never buy with xmiplay.........they are liars and scammers

Really? Can you be more specific? Not saying you're right or wrong, just curious as to what happened to them as a seller.

You can click on the poster and view previous posts. It looks like he purchased wheels from xmiplay and they were heavier than the advertised wright and missing valve stems that he had asked for. The frustration trying to deal with them about it is likely the reason for the negative review.

To add to my negative exoerience with them, i couldn't even get them to send me a new bolt or washers. I even had a work colleague based in china (obviously fluent chinese speaker) call on my behalf with no success.

I have not spent time reading through many posts here but is it safe to assume that hong-fu and xmiplay are essentially marketing companies who order from the same factory? I get the impression the factory doesnt treat them much better than they treat us.

I found play in my rear powertap hub bearing and ordered new ones from rwc. Im hopeful that may be half of my rear play issue.

And thanks for the feedback regarding 258 and fs029. That gives me some optimism.

Stef27

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2018, 08:47:25 AM »
never buy with xmiplay.........they are liars and scammers

Really? Can you be more specific? Not saying you're right or wrong, just curious as to what happened to them as a seller.

You can click on the poster and view previous posts. It looks like he purchased wheels from xmiplay and they were heavier than the advertised wright and missing valve stems that he had asked for. The frustration trying to deal with them about it is likely the reason for the negative review.



thanks
that's it.

fortunately i paid with paypal,and i did dispute.
i shipped back the wheelset,because i couldn't sell them,noone want carbon wheels with 1700gr for 400$.

in this history I lost some of the cost of return and customs fees.......but it's less than 420$

now i'm waiting for my new wheelset.

i ordered 2 rims,2 hub on aliexpress,and a guy build with his spokes.
the weight should be around 1400gr

samroy92

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2018, 10:36:05 AM »
Too bad this thread got hijacked with BS.

To keep the discussion going about the 258 vs 036 and FS29. The FS29 as stated earlier has a much slacker headtube angle which I like, but also has longer chainstay. So this would definitely have the affect of being harder to turn, especially at slower speeds. I think its a slight difference but it comes down to how you like to ride. I'm still trying to find a good FS frame that has a slacker tube angle but also a short chainstay. Would love to hear suggestions!

Stef27

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2018, 12:30:56 PM »
Too bad this thread got hijacked with BS.



sorry. :-\

Sitar_Ned

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2018, 06:42:30 PM »
Too bad this thread got hijacked with BS.

To keep the discussion going about the 258 vs 036 and FS29. The FS29 as stated earlier has a much slacker headtube angle which I like, but also has longer chainstay. So this would definitely have the affect of being harder to turn, especially at slower speeds. I think its a slight difference but it comes down to how you like to ride. I'm still trying to find a good FS frame that has a slacker tube angle but also a short chainstay. Would love to hear suggestions!

Indeed. Sorry about that.

gmo

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2018, 07:29:18 PM »
Regarding the slacker head tube, what are the strengths and weaknesses of that design? I would call myself a cross country racer. I’m mostly done with racing but still enjoy fast and flowy more than slow and technical.

And to contribute slightly to the ‘bs’ my observation with chinese carbon is you’re  generally not going to be purchasing the most ‘lightweight’ carbon on the market. I have chinese carbon rims that aren’t the lightest but are still amazing. Honestly I think I prefer the security of a little heft if I’m getting a chiner.

charlesrg

Re: 258 vs 036
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2018, 09:03:42 PM »
I haven't seen the geometry from XMI however the frame seems identical to first gen 058. I really disagree with the brake cable routing through the top tube and the brake caliper mounted in the seatsay as oposite of chainstay.