Velobuild VB-R-218

[braincore]

Just saw a new R-218 listed on VB and didn't see it mentioned here yet. Anyone know whether this mimics an existing geometry?

http://www.velobuild.com/products/http-wwwvelobuildcom-products-http-wwwvelobuildcom-products-2021-vb-r-218-carbon-fiber-road-frame-disc-version-integrated-hidden-cables-345

[StiffWeenies]

Dogma F?

[memebike]

hahah this thing looks like a dogma

[Velovelo]

For me it kind of defeat the purpose of not wanting to own a copied branded frame. Gonna keep explaining on group rides that it's a VB frame and not an OEM dogma copy, but ya, who cares right!
VB is going to sell a lot of these just like the 168 is a big hit for VB.

[cramy]

hope the seatpost is better than the 168, many people complaining it is sliding dow.

[kbike]

I hope I'm wrong and this is way lighter but f14 is heavy.
Frame 1300g I seen a listing even say 1690g.
Fork 490g
Handlebar 400g
Seatpost 240g

[Nickk2000]

frames almost a 1-1. their XXL (i think its a 54?) is half a millimeter off of the 575 size (or 57.5) for the f12's reach and stack.

At the end of the day, the frames probably okay (from a reputable seller) but its not going to weigh the 750 grams the f12 weighed, its going to weigh like 1200g due to the tubes being so aerodynamic.

[patliean1]

Apparently this frame wasn't intended for average-sized Americans LoL

[Nickk2000]

tbf those dimensions arent absurdly small. theyre just small for me, whos 6'7.

[RDY]

It's not a one to one clone of the F, but very close and made to look like it.  I think they must have bought the mold one of the Taiwanese copiers have been selling, then got one of the Chinese OEMs they use to build it.  Reason being they also frequently use BSA - I can't see VB or other mainland makers independently ordering the design of a mold set up for BSA on a modern road bike.

I'm sure it'll be heavy, but the bad thing to me is that the situation is as above, rather than with PF (or failing that T47), and that given the clone nature they didn't fix the ghastly offset seatpost from the real Dogma F - that sharp trailing edge behind the seatpost at the top of the seat tube 1) looks awful 2) must badly impact aero performance. If this was an 'homage' like the 099 and 168 are to the Venge and SL7 rspectively, rather than a clone,  then I'm sure a much better bike would have resulted. 

[Nickk2000]

i like them for doing something like this but i hate the size variation. anyone over 6'3 is probably going to run into a sizing issue. i know inseam and armspan are factors but theres a good chance they will have a hard time fitting into a 58, unless the person is flexible.

[michkus]

I asked Chris about weight. He said 80g heavier than R-168.

[RDY]

FWIW Chris told me the mold was not from the Taiwanese copiers and that the BB is BSA because many customers had asked for it. 

Not sure what to think.  It seems very odd to me, given that virtually the only other carbon bikes produced these days with BSA are clones - because they haven't updated their tooling.   And I never see anyone asking for it except steel traditionalists on round tubed bikes.   BSA-68 is a completely deprecated standard for carbon road frames, and for good reason.  Shell width is very narrow, bore diameter is small, and there's the danger of galvanic corrosion and debonding re: the carbon / alu interface.  It's basically the worst of all worlds.

I see people asking for BB386 and T47 ... but BSA-68 on a carbon road frame? Wat.

[Nickk2000]

fm098 and a handful of other rim brakes ive seen offer bsa. bsa's not that uncommon and i personally prefer it, yes corrosion is an issue but if you take proper care of it shouldnt be an issue with the right stuff added.

[1Sigma]

tbf those dimensions arent absurdly small. theyre just small for me, whos 6'7.

Your other thread makes 100% sense now