I wanted a gravel/touring frame. Spent a bit more money and got a Titanium frame from Waltly. I love it, running 650b x 47 & 50mm tyres. Suitable for medium speed roadie group rides and gravel/fire trail riding. Will be a super touring bike when I get some 700 wheels (on order from Speeder Cycling) Again, cost more than a Chinese carbon frame, but should last a long time, and still much less expensive than from a local Titanium bike brand