Replica Factor Ostro VAM

[acino]

Hey Team,

Regarding the Ostro replica, has anyone here successfully acquired a frameset from First-Class Carbon Store on Aliexpress?  If so, how long did the process take from order to delivery?

I ordered from this seller and the frame arrived today. Here are my impressions. Ordered on Nov 17, shipped on Dec 8th, arrived on Dec 20th. Dark blue chameleon. I can post pictures of the frame, though I did not take any of the inside since it looked good (read below).

The finish both inside and outside is fantastic. Inside of my frame looks exactly the same as oralmaster's. Outside is flawless except for one small scratch (1x1mm) on the underside of the toptube. I am not sure if this is paint problem or it happened during shipping because the box was massacred to the point I had a heart attack when I picked it up. On the other hand, the frame inside was meticulously wrapped so it's hard to image it got scratched through all that padding. Anyway, it's practically invisible and nothing a bit of nail polish would not fix. No oversprays, caliper mounts nicely faced.

I nearly built the bike already and encountered no major issues. Both seatpost and handlebars were kind hard to slip into their place - not sure if this is a good or bad thing. I was especially fighting with the seatpost. Perhaps it was because of the di2 battery rubber mount is marginally bigger than the seatpost itself. The handlebars are stiff af, I have some muscles and I tried flexing them as much as I could and they did not move a bit. I encountered only one problem while building - the top of the D-shaped plug would not fit inside the fork because the walls were a bit thicker - a bit of sanding fixed this. Unfortunately I could not finish the build because I am a moron and bought T47 instead of T47A BB.

The weight of my frame (size 52) - fork uncut 446 g, frame+hanger 822 g, seatpost+clamp 220 g, handlebars 279 g, d-plug 35 g, headset+all spacers 108 g. The weights are without thruaxles (60?).

[jerozilla]

I ordered from this seller and the frame arrived today. Here are my impressions. Ordered on Nov 17, shipped on Dec 8th, arrived on Dec 20th. Dark blue chameleon. I can post pictures of the frame, though I did not take any of the inside since it looked good (read below).

The finish both inside and outside is fantastic. Inside of my frame looks exactly the same as oralmaster's. Outside is flawless except for one small scratch (1x1mm) on the underside of the toptube. I am not sure if this is paint problem or it happened during shipping because the box was massacred to the point I had a heart attack when I picked it up. On the other hand, the frame inside was meticulously wrapped so it's hard to image it got scratched through all that padding. Anyway, it's practically invisible and nothing a bit of nail polish would not fix. No oversprays, caliper mounts nicely faced.

I nearly built the bike already and encountered no major issues. Both seatpost and handlebars were kind hard to slip into their place - not sure if this is a good or bad thing. I was especially fighting with the seatpost. Perhaps it was because of the di2 battery rubber mount is marginally bigger than the seatpost itself. The handlebars are stiff af, I have some muscles and I tried flexing them as much as I could and they did not move a bit. I encountered only one problem while building - the top of the D-shaped plug would not fit inside the fork because the walls were a bit thicker - a bit of sanding fixed this. Unfortunately I could not finish the build because I am a moron and bought T47 instead of T47A BB.

The weight of my frame (size 52) - fork uncut 446 g, frame+hanger 822 g, seatpost+clamp 220 g, handlebars 279 g, d-plug 35 g, headset+spacer 108 g. The weights are without thruaxles (60?).

Sounds like the quality is consistent, glad to hear the handlebars aren't too noodley someone was saying they were. Did you go for the highest tier option as well? How was the BB facing/threading overall? Should definitely toss some photos up!

[acino]

Sounds like the quality is consistent, glad to hear the handlebars aren't too noodley someone was saying they were. Did you go for the highest tier option as well? How was the BB facing/threading overall? Should definitely toss some photos up!

Yes, highest tier. BB evaluation is pending, as I said I have the wrong BB. Though I can say that I managed to screw the T47 in nearly completely by hand, and only after that I realized there is not enough space for the chainrings and that I need the T47A 

[jerozilla]

Yes, highest tier. BB evaluation is pending, as I said I have the wrong BB. Though I can say that I managed to screw the T47 in nearly completely by hand, and only after that I realized there is not enough space for the chainrings and that I need the T47A 

I ended up going white with black lettering, I wanted to change it to Chrome/black but he said that add 30 days so I said nevermind lol. Which brand BB did you go with? I've been looking at the BBInfinite one's. Thanks for reminding me to get T47A not T47 lol.

[A.V.G]

acino & jerozilla - Thanks for chiming in. 

I bought a frame from First-class on Nov 18, which shipped on Dec 7, but the last tracking update happened on Dec 10, so it seems my frame is trapped in Aliexpress-shipping-purgatory.  IMHO this is BS since First-class charges ~ $133USD for shipping, which I naively assumed that meant it would ship via FedEx or UPS Exp).  All this has me a bit worried, especially since acino got his frame so quickly.  (I'm in the US, btw) 

acino, where in the world are you located and which shipper was used?  jerozilla, you're in Canada?

For anyone else considering buying from F-C on AliX:  I'm 99.9% sure First Class and "RK Ultra Extreme Carbon" are the same seller and probably "Mirror Carbon Fiber" Shop too.  So don't whiz in F-C cheerios and think you'll get better treatment from RK or Mirror. 

[acino]

acino & jerozilla - Thanks for chiming in. 

I bought a frame from First-class on Nov 18, which shipped on Dec 7, but the last tracking update happened on Dec 10, so it seems my frame is trapped in Aliexpress-shipping-purgatory.  IMHO this is BS since First-class charges ~ $133USD for shipping, which I naively assumed that meant it would ship via FedEx or UPS Exp).  All this has me a bit worried, especially since acino got his frame so quickly.  (I'm in the US, btw) 

acino, where in the world are you located and which shipper was used?  jerozilla, you're in Canada?

For anyone else considering buying from F-C on AliX:  I'm 99.9% sure First Class and "RK Ultra Extreme Carbon" are the same seller and probably "Mirror Carbon Fiber" Shop too.  So don't whiz in F-C cheerios and think you'll get better treatment from RK or Mirror.

I would not panic yet. Everytime I ordered something like this from China, there was no update for 7-12 days after leaving China and then it appeared in the destination country. Plus it's Christmas now, so likely these companies/postal services are swamped. I am in Switzerland and the shipping company was, as far as I understand from 1000 labels on the box, EMS. Today I bled the brakes and aligned the calipers, no major issues (no different than few big brand bikes I had in the past). Tiny bit of rubbing in front in one particular location of the rotation, which I always assume is a bit bent rotor. Now I need to find my tool for straightening rotors...

What makes you think they are the same seller?

[A.V.G]

Thanks for the reply, acino.  I'm glad you're build is coming together so well.  It speaks to solid quality. 

My frame is the "ordinary" version, so I'm curious to see how mine differs from yours & others 'top' versions. 

To be 100% clear: F-C has been perfectly responsive to every one of my messages, including my 'where is my frame?!?!?' questions. 
I do not mean to say he's(?) done me dirty, I'd just say he's not totally upfront about the ordering and shipping process. 

As to why I believe RK and F-C are the same: Here is a new listing, with pics of my frame, but on RK's store...
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807990587185.html

[acino]

Thanks for the reply, acino.  I'm glad you're build is coming together so well.  It speaks to solid quality. 

My frame is the "ordinary" version, so I'm curious to see how mine differs from yours & others 'top' versions. 

To be 100% clear: F-C has been perfectly responsive to every one of my messages, including my 'where is my frame?!?!?' questions. 
I do not mean to say he's(?) done me dirty, I'd just say he's not totally upfront about the ordering and shipping process. 

As to why I believe RK and F-C are the same: Here is a new listing, with pics of my frame, but on RK's store...
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807990587185.html

My guess is that he might be just a reseller, which would be congruent with your experience and also why could not answer Serge's questions to his satisfaction (he mentions it somewhere in this thread). I was actually wondering if it could be that these frames are a rogue operation of the Factor factory using now obsolete moulds of the discontinued v1 OSTRO VAM. The dimensions are exactly the same, the weights are extremely close to the original. Even silly details like threaded inserts in the frame, thruaxles have the factor branding. For example, when I unpacked the handlebars, I was confused because it had 1 metal screw and 1 black screw. Googling revealed that the original black inc handlebars (the older version) has the same combination, which is weird. But they are likely just a very good 1:1 copy by someone with a good attention to detail. 

[OralMaster]

i should not have used my pre puberty online moniker 20 years ago as my username....

anyway, for those who got the highest tiered ostro v1 frame, do share your build photos here!

[OralMaster]

Fake bonanza! the frames look amazing... good thing that's not available to the west, people would buy these en masse, let's be real. starting with me... they look like shiny candy.

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/1005008102883798.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller.15.350cfn5Bfn5B1M&gps-id=pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.354490.0&scm_id=1007.40050.354490.0&scm-url=1007.40050.354490.0&pvid=fc045651-c9e2-4e3c-ad69-d3093f75adff&_t=gps-id:pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.354490.0,pvid:fc045651-c9e2-4e3c-ad69-d3093f75adff,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238114%231999&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21SGD%21191.10%21191.10%21%21%211000.00%211000.00%21%40210141f717349658845846679e6be3%2112000043772139921%21rec%21SG%21176727628%21X&utparam-url=scene%3ApcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller%7Cquery_from%3A

do you like the daremou nessum drake sir?

[A.V.G]

i should not have used my pre puberty online moniker 20 years ago as my username....

anyway, for those who got the highest tiered ostro v1 frame, do share your build photos here!

You can change your screen name in your profile settings.  Just saying...

If I ever get my "ordinary" version, I'll post pics - I want to document the difference(s) between the two frames.
F-C messaged me yesterday to ask if I've heard from the "logistics department" - I have not. At least he seems to be concerned, which provides me a little comfort.  (Again - my beef with F-C, at this point, is limited to his shipping method.)

[acino]

anyway, for those who got the highest tiered ostro v1 frame, do share your build photos here!

My build so far... still waiting for the T47A. In combination with wheels from Peter, 50mm deep. The weight so far is 6.04 kg, without crankset+chain, so should be dead on 7.0kg, which is pretty good considering 50 mm deep tubeless wheels and 2x160mm rotors. One could easily shave another 200-300g off from crankset and wheels. The wheels are already fairly light (1320 g), but I decided to go with brass nipples and cx sapim spokes, so you could go ~100g lighter.

The photos quality is not great  My phone and lighting at home does not do the frame justice.

[rhenders]

My build so far... still waiting for the T47A. In combination with wheels from Peter, 50mm deep. The weight so far is 6.04 kg, without crankset+chain, so should be dead on 7.0kg, which is pretty good considering 50 mm deep tubeless wheels and 2x160mm rotors. One could easily shave another 200-300g off from crankset and wheels. The wheels are already fairly light (1320 g), but I decided to go with brass nipples and cx sapim spokes, so you could go ~100g lighter.

The photos quality is not great  My phone and lighting at home does not do the frame justice.

Maybe just the lighting, but it looks like you have a significant gap between your fork crown and head tube?

Any pics inside the frame? Especially in the bottom bracket area?

[acino]

Ha. Great eyes, I thought nobody would notice  There is about 1-1.5mm play in the headset area. The fork slipped down as I was trying to fit these very snug handlebars on the fork while the bike was lifted in the service stand. To be fair, this happens to me with every bike that I service and it takes me 2-3 tries to fix it - I guess I am doing something fundamentally wrong (maybe I should do it with the bike on the ground?) So I need to refit the handlebars and all will be good.

Inside looked pretty much exactly the same as oralmaster's, I had a thorough look with a flashlight. No bubbles, no wrinkles, no loose material. If you want, I can take couple pictures of the BB area when I refit it.

@Oralmaster: How much did you ride yours? What are your impressions in terms of how it rides?

[jerozilla]

My build so far... still waiting for the T47A. In combination with wheels from Peter, 50mm deep. The weight so far is 6.04 kg, without crankset+chain, so should be dead on 7.0kg, which is pretty good considering 50 mm deep tubeless wheels and 2x160mm rotors. One could easily shave another 200-300g off from crankset and wheels. The wheels are already fairly light (1320 g), but I decided to go with brass nipples and cx sapim spokes, so you could go ~100g lighter.

The photos quality is not great  My phone and lighting at home does not do the frame justice.

Very nice they really do nail even the chromed font I almost went black/chrome. Mine will pretty much be the same as OralMasters but I will try and get one of those cheapo snake cameras with light to get a very detailed photo breakdown of everything plus final build when mine is done.

I will be swapping over from my other bike my DuraAce 9200 groupset with some 2022 Winspace Hypers, probably going to purchase the BBInfinite T47A and will run with Assiamo Duo Shi pedals. Hoping it stays around 7KG like my 2019 Time.

I will try and get the coveted BB inside/up into the frame shots everyone wants to see and a full photo dump of everything. Mine has also shipped and yeah they charge $133 or so for shipping but you're still getting non UPS/premium courier service. Doesn't really concern me as everything has always arrived for me usually in 2-3 weeks for western Canada.