Two new Winspace frames coming (soon?)

[RDY]

BB drop of 68mm is pretty low these days.  Not for me.

[toxin]

517-520-560 stack jumps between S-M-L sure is a decision

[patliean1]

I'm sure I'll get the Agile frameset at some point to review. And while I don't have any scientific way to measure performance, I can't imagine it being better or even equal to the T1500/T1550. Granted, Winspace isn't trying to position the Agile to compete with that frame anyway.

[merider]

Noticed that the geometry of the Agile is up on geomterygeeks, but is it trustworthy?

https://geometrygeeks.bike/bike/winspace-agile-2024/

It seems a bit odd that only the M size has a chainstay length of 403.

[Macedingle]

Wow, the Agile is listed on their site for $1980. Unbelievable

[toxin]

Bross is gonna be infinitely better value. And the headtube is ugly af ngl. Also what kind of goober came up with that geometry for size M

[patliean1]

Bross is gonna be infinitely better value. And the headtube is ugly af ngl. Also what kind of goober came up with that geometry for size M

That price tag is pushing me toward the Elilee Blize. Again. And according to Weight Weenies, Elilee has finally worked out all their frame issues.

EDIT: ...BRUH what's up with the size M geometry??

[Takiyaki]

Wow, the Agile is listed on their site for $1980. Unbelievable

Was just looking at Giant TCR frames today. I feel like the $370 premium for that is good economy. A $2000 Chinese frame has to be boutique WW stuff.

[Macedingle]

Maybe this is why Joe left Winspace, he new this was about to be a dud on paper

[Fleckinger]

[toxin]

Maybe this is why Joe left Winspace, he new this was about to be a dud on paper

He didn't like the direction they were heading, which very well may have to do with the prices and no rim brake versions

[Stephiso]

That price tag is pushing me toward the Elilee Blize. Again. And according to Weight Weenies, Elilee has finally worked out all their frame issues.

EDIT: ...BRUH what's up with the size M geometry??

Yikes 2 grands seems higher than what I expected...
What seems off about the Medium size in particular that you noticed if you don't mind me asking?

[some guy]

Yikes 2 grands seems higher than what I expected...
What seems off about the Medium size in particular that you noticed if you don't mind me asking?

for some reason the medium frame does not share some common dimensions (chainstays are shorter (403mm vs 408mm on others), which results in  reduced tire clearance (28mm vs 32mm), bb sits lower (271mm vs 273mm)). additionaly stack is only marginally higher than on the small version, but 40mm lower than on the large one.

i think that winspace only produced medium sized frames for initial testing, adjusted some things, but did not redo the molds, only made the adjusted ones for the other sizes

[Gosy]

what happend to the speeder cycling frame 52 on web there lot of pictures with winspace logos.

[jrasero]

He didn't like the direction they were heading, which very well may have to do with the prices and no rim brake versions

No clue why he personally left but I can speculate it has nothing to do with no rim brake models since he himself doesn't ride any bikes with rim brakes anymore and two there is little to no demand for rim brake stuff.  The prices are trucky and I think Patrick Lino best summed it up in that if Winspace kept the prices low or as they are for better or worse they will be seen as a certain type of China product regardless of the quality of performance.  I think Seka is a great example of this, where the prices really start to rub against big Western brands framesets price wise, but people associate price with prestige and quality at a certain point.