Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?

[Serge_K]

The solution is simple: S-WORKS becomes ASS-WORKS, Factor becomes Tractor, nobody goes to jail, and we can ride our bikes!
Trolls, unite!

[glepore]

And meanwhile on facebook people are saying that some of the bigger counterfeit sellers are in prison due to the SL8 copies. There is no difference between these frames and the copy from the pictures I saw.
Proof me wrong.. but could be all coincidence ...
Those counterfeit sellers just paint good no name frames if you ask me and sell those.

Would love to see proof that I'm wrong.

Prison? Nah. Patent infringement is a civil thing. Ordered to cease business? Yes thats possible.

[Sander2177]

I was one of those people saying prison on Facebook  but I did say this was from another seller of frames and whether it was true or not was another thing. A few sellers may have gone to ground until thing down, or maybe the supply chain has been temporarily disrupted but again this is conjecture.
Anyway Tan Tan still posted a frame today on Instagram looks like a repost of Dovh's bike built up. Think its strange they postedit considering its on "hold" and some has already asked if its available as they heard it was on hold, was that anyone one here?

[tiz92]

In the end too much demand seems like the most plausible cause.

[Sander2177]

Well they have three sites
tantancycling.com not showing
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tantanbikes.com you can buy full bike and frames from still

[Cnasta]

I was one of those people saying prison on Facebook  but I did say this was from another seller of frames and whether it was true or not was another thing. A few sellers may have gone to ground until thing down, or maybe the supply chain has been temporarily disrupted but again this is conjecture.
Anyway Tan Tan still posted a frame today on Instagram looks like a repost of Dovh's bike built up. Think its strange they postedit considering its on "hold" and some has already asked if its available as they heard it was on hold, was that anyone one here?

Guilty as charged.... No reply on Insta  yet

[Sander2177]

Guilty as charged.... No reply on Insta  yet

Well I have no idea what the deal is!
I have messaged from another account  and they are still selling the frame

$589usd
$150usd shipping
Shipping in 20-25 days
with shipping takimg 10-18days
yada yada yada.


Then message for an update on the "on hold" situation and get told  I will get an answer next week and not to worry!

Hard not to wory  when your told frame is on hold and then they are still sellimg the frame, makes you think what the hell is going on!

[dovh]

I was one of those people saying prison on Facebook  but I did say this was from another seller of frames and whether it was true or not was another thing. A few sellers may have gone to ground until thing down, or maybe the supply chain has been temporarily disrupted but again this is conjecture.
Anyway Tan Tan still posted a frame today on Instagram looks like a repost of Dovh's bike built up. Think its strange they postedit considering its on "hold" and some has already asked if its available as they heard it was on hold, was that anyone one here?

Yeah, that's my frame/bike build they posted on IG. I messaged them about what durability tests they are doing for this frame but got just a generic response that all tests were done and QC passed. I also sent them the picture since we talked about whether I could send it when the bike would be finished.

With the "on hold" situation, it might very well be that they have a high demand for the frame or are waiting for clarification on some tariff stuff. They might be scared that they will have to pay more for shipping and are now waiting before they send it out to get money from customers up front instead of getting it back from them.

I am glad that I managed to get mine before this issue.

[Cnasta]

Well I have no idea what the deal is!
I have messaged from another account  and they are still selling the frame

$589usd
$150usd shipping
Shipping in 20-25 days
with shipping takimg 10-18days
yada yada yada.


Then message for an update on the "on hold" situation and get told  I will get an answer next week and not to worry!

Hard not to wory  when your told frame is on hold and then they are still sellimg the frame, makes you think what the hell is going on!

Indeed, i'd be worried to. Keep us posted, since I really prefer the look of this frame over the spycycle r088

[Sander2177]

Well lots of contradictory information coming from Tan Tan at the moment!
Frames on hold but taking new orders and reposts of Dovhs frame on two of there Instagram post.
Could well be to do with Donald Trump puffing his chest out lol , and costing everyone more money 

[Sander2177]

Indeed, i'd be worried to. Keep us posted, since I really prefer the look of this frame over the spycycle r088

The R088 does look a little more like the SL6 in my opinion.
And I like the integrated cockpit frame myself more than a traditional head tube,
I like the SL8 look myself but have beSen looking at some alternative like the Winow WR054 but that is a beast of  frame about 1290g in medium UD forks are 570g, seatpost 270g and  the bars are not too bad at 350g so, also the Hong Fu (Avenger) Shuttle SL is $900usd in the 750g or $800usd for 870g and that is a good looking bike but need to look at the OEMS because as you know they have the same moulds

[JImportante]

Answer from Vivian today..
"Your order is OK.
Please don't worry.
Thank you."

Ordered 19th march to europe. Will see how it develop

[Sander2177]

Answer from Vivian today..
"Your order is OK.
Please don't worry.
Thank you."

Ordered 19th march to europe. Will see how it develop

Well:
"Suspension of Sale only temporary.
The problem being solved now.
Ready for sale."


We would all love to know the problem! 


Latest update:

ok I have had a response.

"The quality of the frame is no problem. So don't worry.
Its a matter of whether our molds can be sold This one has no effect on the previous purchase"

So what they're basically saying the issue was with whether they were allowed to keep selling that particular frame (probably due to licensing or copyright concerns) but it doesn't affect any frames that have already been sold.

Still pressing for more info!

[glepore]

So I'm curious as to how they declare complete bikes. I have a 2k bike in route, in what appears to be one package (one t/n). They did send the bits with batteries separately. But the bike has been in transit 15 days, hasn't moved for the last 4, was customs inspected for 5, and was shipped China Post (grrr). And today the orange buffon that is our President increased tariffs for non de minimis shipments to 104%.
So my 2k bike now is likely 3.5k or 4k, if they declared full value. If they didn't, I'm very likely to get hassled by customs given the pressure.
Buyer beware. I'm thinking of just walking away if the bike ever actually gets here and I get a 1.5k bill.

[Sander2177]

Ok another update now Ber put me onto a seller/manufacturer.
Seems quite honest and Ber did say he was straight up
Now he has told me production of the replica is 3-4 months with delivery.
read message screen shots this may explain why some sellers have gone AWOL.
He did have stock frame but a selection with pre sized bars which are no good.
May ask Tan Tan about this and request a refund if necessary

In the context of China, the Market Management Department (often referring to the Market Supervision Administration or 市场监督管理局) is a government authority responsible for:



Regulating product quality and safety
Overseeing intellectual property rights (IPR)
Investigating counterfeit or replica products
Managing business licensing and fair market practices




If you’ve been told they’re checking replica frames, it likely means there’s an investigation into whether a frame design (like the one you ordered) may be infringing on a brand’s copyright, patent, or trademark—often because it’s too similar to a well-known brand’s design.



This could explain why Tan Tan paused sales briefly—they might be under review or being cautious while waiting for the outcome of that check.