Author Topic: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?  (Read 135012 times)

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #615 on: April 11, 2025, 08:10:08 AM »
Interesting, keep us posted! Even for 1k, i wouldn't buy it, going fwd i'd rather buy fast frames with higher stack, i think. With the economy where it is, with the western bike industry where it is, selling a frame for 1.8-1.9k that has very little brand / residual value in the 2nd hand market is a tough sale, i think. The reality is that the markup on a frame at this price point is extremely high, yet the brand value is extremely low. On top of that, this frame looks quite bland, and their aero claims are just vibes, it seems.

Well something is up if the OEM is selling the frame they make for a brand!
Anyway Tan TAN are back in full swing X68 popped back up on main site and is not available back on the Seraph Site!
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Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #616 on: April 11, 2025, 08:36:20 AM »
Yeah so a local racer here just contacted me telling he ordered an X68 in the same size I ride, size 56.

He said once the frame is in his hands and built, he's happy to let me demo it. The lord giveth...

This is his order:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DHlFrh1PBn_/

How much closer is this to becoming a Reality Patrick! 
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Tom77

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #617 on: April 12, 2025, 02:19:19 AM »
Awesome paint job.

I ordered two frames, one ud black and one painted, not with a bit so fancy colour.
I'm bad in Photoshop and even worse in explaining stuff to Chinese people, so....

Anyway, paid 4 weeks ago and no proper feedback from Vivian so far.
Asked for a timeline to get the frame shipped and she only sends generic answers.


Davidhe23

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #618 on: April 12, 2025, 02:37:24 AM »
Here's a picture of the fully mounted bike. The first walks on it are being very pleasant.

JImportante

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #619 on: April 12, 2025, 06:05:46 AM »
Here's a picture of the fully mounted bike. The first walks on it are being very pleasant.

Where did you order decals? or chinese done it for you?

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #620 on: April 12, 2025, 08:37:42 AM »
Where did you order decals? or chinese done it for you?


Tan Tan

Will not put specialized on the frame.
I have ordered from Speed Decals
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EddytheEagle

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #621 on: April 14, 2025, 02:33:15 AM »
Hey everyone,

I'm new here – and I think this is actually the first time in my life that I've signed up for a forum. Usually, I'm more of a silent reader who enjoys going through comments on all kinds of topics.

But enough about that – let me quickly introduce you to my SL8 AliExpress Frankenstein project:

Frame: SL8 Size 58, pearl white matt – from Peter in Taiwan

Wheels: Elite Wheels ENT

Groupset: Ltwoo eRX 3.0 from Panda Podium

Brake Discs: ZTTO – 160mm front / 140mm rear

Saddle: Ryet 3D Carbon printed

Tires: Schwalbe Lugano 700x32C

Lately, I’ve been following discussions both here and on Facebook, and I have to say – it seems like @Sander2177 is always the most up-to-date with what's going on.

I’ve already tried a few tricks to get in touch with Peter (different account, calls, even asked AliExpress support for the seller’s email). What's curious is that the person managing the AliExpress account seems to be active almost daily. So far, he’s only read one of my messages – no reply yet, though.

Technically, Peter still has 7 days left to process my order before AliExpress automatically refunds me. So now I’m just waiting to see if he manages to get things moving before the deadline.

Just like many others here have mentioned – right before the holidays, I was told my order was ready for shipping and would be processed on the Monday before he "disappeared" (March 31st). It’s now been three weeks... I placed the order back on March 20th..
« Last Edit: April 14, 2025, 04:10:59 AM by EddytheEagle »

raisinberry777

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #622 on: April 14, 2025, 05:15:12 AM »
Surprise, surprise, seller of counterfeits turns out to be dodgy - hopefully you end up with your money back and have learned a lesson.

EddytheEagle

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #623 on: April 14, 2025, 06:10:38 AM »
Yeah, let's see. I'm already considering TanTanCycling as Plan B....

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #624 on: April 14, 2025, 06:38:23 AM »
Yeah, let's see. I'm already considering TanTanCycling as Plan B....

I like to keep my ear to the ground, and I’ve been chatting with a few sellers lately. It seems Chinese authorities have started cracking down on sellers pushing poor-quality products—apparently in response to legal action from (I’m assuming) Chinese nationals. What’s interesting is that these shutdowns don’t seem to be about counterfeiting, which you’d normally expect, and that in itself is a bit surprising.

Obviously, you’ve got to take this kind of info with a pinch of salt, but I’ve had a few sellers say similar things. Just last week, Tan Tan pulled the X68 from sale for a few days, but it’s already back up. YOHO Bike also disappeared for a week and has now returned. I’d genuinely love to know what’s going on behind the curtain.

I’m trying to educate myself and gather as much information as I can to better understand how things work when buying from these kinds of sellers—just so I can properly assess the risk. For me, the risk feels higher when buying from places like Taiwan Eisen, YOHO, Champion Bikes, or Airwolf. They all claim to be manufacturers, but let’s be honest—that’s mostly BS. Most of them are traders. Tan Tan, on the other hand, appears to be a legitimate factory (though whether they actually manufacture this specific frame is still unclear). They do have a reasonably good reputation, even if communication isn’t their strong suit. That said, I emailed Vivian about a custom paint request—I'd selected UD Raw Carbon Glossy—but apparently my order had already progressed to the point where they couldn’t change it. If they were just out for my money, they probably would’ve said yes anyway just to take more from me. So that gives me a bit more confidence.

As for the whole "how can they even make this frame?" question—well, I’ve looked through a bunch of patent info, and I haven’t found anything from Specialized in the US Patent Office that directly covers this frame design or anything close. So if there is any issue, it’s likely to fall more under trademark infringement than an actual patent violation.

I fully accept the risk I’ve taken with my purchases. But unfortunately, a lot of buyers don’t realize what they’re getting into. And I’m not really sure how dependable AliExpress is when it comes to refund claims—it’s definitely not eBay. So yeah, I hope you get your money back.
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glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #625 on: April 14, 2025, 09:02:10 AM »
^ I've been digging around a bit. The sl8 isn't specifically  patented that I can find, but it appears that the sl6 or 7 is-D865574(search here https://ppubs.uspto.gov/pubwebapp/static/pages/ppubsbasic.html). Since most of the design elements of the sl8 are almost identical to the sl7, I suspect its not been patented as its covered by the prior patent.  Sworks Tarmac sl8 is trademarked. Whether Chinese authorities will enforce these patents remains to be seen, but I suspect that its enough to make folks nervous given Specialized pressure.

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #626 on: April 14, 2025, 09:11:29 AM »
^ I've been digging around a bit. The sl8 isn't specifically  patented that I can find, but it appears that the sl6 or 7 is-D865574(search here https://ppubs.uspto.gov/pubwebapp/static/pages/ppubsbasic.html). Since most of the design elements of the sl8 are almost identical to the sl7, I suspect its not been patented as its covered by the prior patent.  Sworks Tarmac sl8 is trademarked. Whether Chinese authorities will enforce these patents remains to be seen, but I suspect that its enough to make folks nervous given Specialized pressure.

And here I thought I was the sleuth!

Well if there is no patent on the frame design we’ll
Can blame Tan Tan a lot more SL8 counterfeits than the old SL7
So maybe Specialized dropped the ball a little but patents from what I known can be notoriously difficult to register.
Anyway I’m so intrigued to see how this compares to my Gen SL8 I won’t lie I’m excited.
Feedback from everyone who has the frame has been positive part from the longer than quoted manufacturing times and lengthy deliveries.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2025, 09:42:41 AM by Sander2177 »
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pandinoyoung

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #627 on: April 14, 2025, 09:18:50 AM »
I sent 3 emails to seraph these days to understand the shipping times of the frame. zero answers. strange, last year I contacted them for another frame and they answered me quickly

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #628 on: April 14, 2025, 09:39:08 AM »
I sent 3 emails to seraph these days to understand the shipping times of the frame. zero answers. strange, last year I contacted them for another frame and they answered me quickly


Well I was quoted 10-18 days however Tan Tan cannot be held responsible for shipping times are these are estimates set but the shippers themselves.
Have they quoted a shipping service to you at all?
If so go to the shippers website
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pandinoyoung

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #629 on: April 14, 2025, 12:33:56 PM »

Well I was quoted 10-18 days however Tan Tan cannot be held responsible for shipping times are these are estimates set but the shippers themselves.
Have they quoted a shipping service to you at all?
If so go to the shippers website

more than shipping, i wanted to know how long it takes to build the frame. i know roughly that shipping to eu with prepaid tax takes about 3 weeks. but they didn't answer me. mystery