Author Topic: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?  (Read 153280 times)

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #735 on: April 24, 2025, 11:19:53 AM »
Hi Everyone,
Received my frame from Tan-Tan last week. Placed my order February 14th. 56CM in raw glossy carbon. 834g without skewers but with hanger and bolts. Ordered a separate cockpit from Aliexpress in 38cm/135mm. XM Carbon Speed 35mm wheels. I built it up with a mix of previous and current SRAM Red. Zero issues with the build. Bottom bracket and brake mounts were faced very nicely. Seatpost clamp is a little annoying if your saddle doesn't have a middle cutout. Final weight without cages and pedals is right at 6.7kg. Took it for a very light spin around the block and it feels amazing. I am a Cat 1 crit racer here in the US and my race bike is a Winspace T1550. This feels much smoother compared to the Winspace which is a super stiff full fledged race bike. I am excited to take it out for longer rides in the coming weeks.


Ok so you have to wait around 60days!
Jeez and they are quoting 20-25 
So the BB is actually faced as well as the brake mounts?
Hmmmm looking at photos from user posts the BB shell does not appear to be faced
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 12:32:37 PM by Sander2177 »
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build
2nd Bike in planning not sure what yet!

patliean1

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #736 on: April 24, 2025, 12:02:44 PM »
Hi Everyone,
Received my frame from Tan-Tan last week. Placed my order February 14th. 56CM in raw glossy carbon. 834g without skewers but with hanger and bolts. Ordered a separate cockpit from Aliexpress in 38cm/135mm. XM Carbon Speed 35mm wheels. I built it up with a mix of previous and current SRAM Red. Zero issues with the build. Bottom bracket and brake mounts were faced very nicely. Seatpost clamp is a little annoying if your saddle doesn't have a middle cutout. Final weight without cages and pedals is right at 6.7kg. Took it for a very light spin around the block and it feels amazing. I am a Cat 1 crit racer here in the US and my race bike is a Winspace T1550. This feels much smoother compared to the Winspace which is a super stiff full fledged race bike. I am excited to take it out for longer rides in the coming weeks.

Dang. This is the exact type of X68 build I personally love to see in here as an SL8 owner. And would order. Top notch components, wheels, and both the frame and cockpit is my size too. Curious where on AliExpress you got the cockpit from.

So I've done 6 crit races this year thus far myself. Getting back into this area of cycling has been exhilarating, but far far away from being a Cat 1 though. Your opinion on the overall bike will be super valuable.

I'm actually on the verge of selling off both my Propel and SL8. Turns out my Tavelo Arow has been perfect for crits. But if the X68 turns out to be solid, even 8/10th of a genuine SL8, then it's something I'll stronger consider for a backup bike. Been chatting with TanTan about getting a  frame anyway. Truthfully though I'm pretty sure it would be tough to tell the X68 and SL8 apart with an indentical setup.

Thanks for sharing.

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #737 on: April 24, 2025, 12:25:48 PM »
So a bit of a ride review after 4 or 5 25-35 mi rides. By way of background, I've been riding quality bikes for 35 years, and have had during that time high end steel, titanium and carbon bikes. Current stable, other than some vintage steel stuff, is a Serotta Ottrott and a custom ti bike. My most recent carbon bikes were a  Cento Air Willier, Supersix Evo (pre the aero change) and a custom Berk. I'm small, lightish and have am older with an ftp thats low but appropriate to age and weight.
The x68 is smooth, responsive and agile. It tracks well. We've had some big wind here the last month, and I can attest that combined with the wide carbonspeed wheels it is crosswind stable. It does get pushed a bit, but it doesn't snap in and out of yaw like I'm used to with less modern deep carbon wheels. Like an actual sl8, it likes you to get weight a bit forward on twisty high speed descents-its not twitchy but you do feel more secure if you shift weight forward a bit.
Combo of 30-32 (nominally 30, measured 32) Vittorias and the compliance of the bike make it ride very well for a carbon racebike. Does it feel plush? Not if your viewpoint is a ti or steel bike, for an agressive carbon bike its very nice. Over single bumps and cracks its very comfy. I did notice that over "broken" areas of pavement wit high frequency hits the bike does slightly betray its responsiveness and agility with a little rear end chatter, but nothing serious. The front end of the bike is not as plush as the rear, but it does, to me anyway, seem on a par with or even a little plusher than the bikes I've had with Enve carbon forks for example.

With brand new calipers pads and rotors I could generate a tiny bit of brake noise when climbing hard standing, but that seems to be going away a bit as everything settles in.

Leaving aside for a moment how close it is to an sl8, its a helluva deal for what tantan is charging. And if the actual sl8 is all that much better, it must be on another planet.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 06:50:46 PM by glepore »

greengoblinbean

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #738 on: April 24, 2025, 01:24:03 PM »
Dang. This is the exact type of X68 build I personally love to see in here as an SL8 owner. And would order. Top notch components, wheels, and both the frame and cockpit is my size too. Curious where on AliExpress you got the cockpit from.

So I've done 6 crit races this year thus far myself. Getting back into this area of cycling has been exhilarating, but far far away from being a Cat 1 though. Your opinion on the overall bike will be super valuable.

I'm actually on the verge of selling off both my Propel and SL8. Turns out my Tavelo Arow has been perfect for crits. But if the X68 turns out to be solid, even 8/10th of a genuine SL8, then it's something I'll stronger consider for a backup bike. Been chatting with TanTan about getting a  frame anyway. Truthfully though I'm pretty sure it would be tough to tell the X68 and SL8 apart with an indentical setup.

Thanks for sharing.

Here is the cockpit I ordered. No issues with it, super stiff and decently light.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806705683523.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.53.69d41802ewUKHH&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #739 on: April 25, 2025, 05:26:21 AM »
Today is day 25 so surly the frame is ready!
And alas no surprise
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build
2nd Bike in planning not sure what yet!

JImportante

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #740 on: April 25, 2025, 08:48:00 AM »
my frame is sent  ;D ;D so in my case lead time was 27 days

patliean1

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #741 on: April 25, 2025, 09:30:59 AM »
By the time all the forum reviews start rolling in, and when you account for the 60-90 day turn around time, people will be ordering their frames in early June. And won't receive them till fall LoL

greengoblinbean

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #742 on: April 25, 2025, 09:58:12 AM »
Took mine out for a bit of a longer ride yesterday. Still blown away with the comfort and smoothness compared to my Winspace. I'll be using this bike in longer road races so I can follow up once I do a few of those. Otherwise I am superrrr happy with my purchase. For under $700 shipped to my door, it's hard to complain for a 7kg build. Only thing I am curious about is the derailleur hanger and the seat post. Are these the same as the original specialized ones?

Tom77

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #743 on: April 25, 2025, 10:11:06 AM »
FINALLY ... my frame is ready to ship.

But tantan did a mistake and painted a second frame which I ordered in UD matt also in my colorsheme.

In case someone from GERMANY is interested -> Size 52, painted as shown all incl. 685 Euros shipped incl. tax!


pandinoyoung

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #744 on: April 25, 2025, 11:59:47 AM »
Took mine out for a bit of a longer ride yesterday. Still blown away with the comfort and smoothness compared to my Winspace. I'll be using this bike in longer road races so I can follow up once I do a few of those. Otherwise I am superrrr happy with my purchase. For under $700 shipped to my door, it's hard to complain for a 7kg build. Only thing I am curious about is the derailleur hanger and the seat post. Are these the same as the original specialized ones?

hi, but what is your saddle height? saddle/handlebar height difference? thanks

makl

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #745 on: April 25, 2025, 12:12:52 PM »
Mine arrived today :)!

Is the lower headset really just the bearing straight on to the carbon fork without any metal cone or whatsoever?

greengoblinbean

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #746 on: April 25, 2025, 12:29:05 PM »
Mine arrived today :)!

Is the lower headset really just the bearing straight on to the carbon fork without any metal cone or whatsoever?

Yep that's how I put mine together

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #747 on: April 25, 2025, 12:38:09 PM »
my frame is sent  ;D ;D so in my case lead time was 27 days

But bad when did you order yours then and what finish have you chosen?
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build
2nd Bike in planning not sure what yet!

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #748 on: April 25, 2025, 12:40:05 PM »
Mine arrived today :)!

Is the lower headset really just the bearing straight on to the carbon fork without any metal cone or whatsoever?

Same as genuine and the SL7 and the Venge
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build
2nd Bike in planning not sure what yet!

dovh

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #749 on: April 25, 2025, 12:47:55 PM »
I must be either doing something wrong or i’m just out of luck..

My seat post  cracked where you insert the rear saddle bolt. I’m not sure how this can happen but i never used anything else besides torque wrench set to 6.1nm to tighten it.
I got a replacement saddle nut that i stripped (posted about it earlier) and when installing it today i heard silent cracking while tightening the bolt, stop tightening it and saw this. I think i never got even over 4nm on there. It might have been compromised by that bolt stripping earlier but i’m not really sure about it.

Wrote to tantan about a new seat post, i don’t know if they will send it to me or i’ll have to buy it but i’m out of riding the bike and i don’t know how confident i will be riding when and if i get the replacement.

Not saying there is anything wrong with the frame and everything else just posting my experience so far.. The bike was otherwise superb while riding it.