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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: neobiker on July 16, 2023, 04:45:18 AM
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When I was speaking with the light carbon sales representative, they told me they release a new model for Eurobike, I forgot to post :-) we
I am disappointed that we can't order the 1088 (https://www.yishunbike.com/product/r1088-daero-road/), but some of you might be interested :-)
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It's directly the new Lab71 Supersix Evo knockoff in my opinion.
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Yea what is the deal with Yishun bikes? They have some awesome frames I would love to order. Do they sell under a different name?
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Yes, Light Carbon
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Looks nothing like the 1058-D on Yishun Bike's website. If this is what that model looks like in final production its a pretty interesting departure.
(https://www.yishunbike.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/R1058D-700C-full-internal-carbon-road-disc-brake-frameset-2.jpg)
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Very hot :o
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Hiya, I have ordered the Yishun R1058_D. It is different to the new lightcarbon, they have different geometry. Lightcarbon is the direct to consumer arm of yishun who are the OEM manufacturer, however you can sometimes order directly from Yishun. Apparently you can't always. I started a separate thread for the Yishun 1058D if you were interested, just search it. The model is there own design and mould, they have their own R&D department and are registered as a company in germany. You can get the frames with a 5 year warranty for 20% additional cost which I went for, all in it cost about 800gbp. The frame is a mix of T700 and T800 carbon, T800 on all high stress areas. Yishun are the OEM manufacturer for Ribble in the UK and Da Rosa in italy as well as some other small italian brand, the quality is supposed to be top notch. I am expecting delivery end of august/early september.
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I am trying to order 1088 from Yishun, and I think I can dream before getting it for a long time xD.
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I like the 1018, though it seems "aggressively" enduro lol.
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When I was speaking with the light carbon sales representative, they told me they release a new model for Eurobike, I forgot to post :-) we
I am disappointed that we can't order the 1088 (https://www.yishunbike.com/product/r1088-daero-road/), but some of you might be interested :-)
Bike and geometry are not on their website yet, are they?
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They display it here tough.
https://www.lightcarbon.com/lightcarbon-in-eurobike-2023_n68
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Is matte black the only colour choice when ordering a single framest from them? Both the new frame and that aero LX-something-something look nice, and that paintjob on aero frame is sweeeeet
Take it with grain of salt, but someone uploaded geometry chart to LightCarbon Facebook page. Looks to be more aggressive than SuperSix Evo
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You can ask any color, they will charge you obviously.
But they have nice colors: https://www.lightcarbon.com/decal-painting_n43
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So... Has anyone ordered the LCR017-D frame yet? I was taking a second look at their geometry chart and it seems like a mess. I am no bike expert, but size 49 frame should not have longer wheelbase than size 54, right?
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So... Has anyone ordered the LCR017-D frame yet? I was taking a second look at their geometry chart and it seems like a mess. I am no bike expert, but size 49 frame should not have longer wheelbase than size 54, right?
The numbers do seem correct ( I've put the numbers in www.bikegeo.net) . Whether it makes sense to have such a geometry for that bike size I don't know. Maybe compare it with some other brands and make your conclusion?
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It seems they wanted to keep the same WB for each sizes so they are playing with head angle and reach. Only stack has a normal increase between each size + 20mm.
Yes i think the geometry is really akward and strange, 1,90m people must ride on the same short bike designed for 1,60!
I never understand why road geometry doesn't keep the same HA and just reach and stack increasing.
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The numbers do seem correct ( I've put the numbers in www.bikegeo.net) . Whether it makes sense to have such a geometry for that bike size I don't know. Maybe compare it with some other brands and make your conclusion?
I see. I compared it against Supersix Evo 4 and Cannondale seems to follow the same logic of playing around with angles to make some measurements like wheelbase roughly similar. However, that bike does have steady increase on stack and reach as opposed to LightCarbon. 520 stack and 390 reach is CRAZY aggressive.
Another thing I wonder about is steerer tube - SSE 4 uses a delta steerer to make room for integrated cables.
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So I wrote them an email and asked for quote on size 54 frame. Got the following answer:
"Thanks for your inquiry about the LCR017-D size 54cm,
Frame set including frame+ seat post (SP03) + fork + handlebar (HBR13 supper light handlebar)+ seat clamp+ head set+ front & rear thru-axle, and two hangers for rear derailleur.
Color: UD matt, (painting customized is acceptable with extra cost.)
Supper light version price is USD$805/set including shipping cost and all taxes to Lithuania, loading time is about 70 days,
Normal weight version price is USD$763/set including shipping cost and all taxes to Lithuania, loading time is about 50 days,
if change the handlebar to normal weight handlebar HBR11, cost can be cheaper about USD$20"
So it seems like the frames are built to order and multiple levels of specs are available. 800 bucks all in for a handlebar, thru axles and a 900g frame isn't so bad
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Hi,
New to forum. Was looking at the Elves Falath Evo but concerned about the rear wheel clearance (too big a gap for someone used to fag paper clearance on my bikes in 80s). Looked at various others on here and reached out to Yishun on their R1088-D.
They have agreed btw to supply this in Matt Black, with seatpost, stem (not integrated bar) for 699 Euros from their stock in Germany. Custom painting would be a different price from China. My issue that stops me buying is that I run most of my bikes 1 X and I'd want to remove hanger. They tell me this is difficult (it looks like Allen Key on their web pictures but I'm presuming it's actually riveted). So still thinking about it but thought I'd add the intel as they have suggested it's superior to the R086 which is well reviewed on here.
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They accepted to send you a 1088? Can you forward me the mail? XD I am dying to get the frame.
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They accepted to send you a 1088? Can you forward me the mail? XD I am dying to get the frame.
Haha I was thinking the same! I reached out to them regarding the 1088 a few weeks back and they said they would not sell it to individual customers.
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Haha I was thinking the same! I reached out to them regarding the 1088 a few weeks back and they said they would not sell it to individual customers.
Interesting, when I wrote them last week, the reply I got was "R1088-D size 53, it's only in China stock right now.", which indicates that the frame is available to customers, at least in certain sizes IMO?
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My issue that stops me buying is that I run most of my bikes 1 X and I'd want to remove hanger. They tell me this is difficult (it looks like Allen Key on their web pictures but I'm presuming it's actually riveted).
The same hanger is on my R086D and I was able to immediately remove it upon delivery. I'm also running a 1x setup.
2mm and 2.5mm bolts don't require much torque so you should be able to remove it.
After a few exchanges with Yishun, it seems the main reason they are reluctant to offer frames to the general public is to avoid overstepping their agreement with 3rd party brands who may have ordered (or in part developed) frames and are charging double the price.
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Thanks. Good to know.
Looks like they are well made and relatively light. Will probably go for the black rather than a painted Chinese version. With duties I think I'll be looking at GBP 750 which seems like a good price.
My enquiry related to a size 470 btw.
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Enquired about this frame and only 54 is currently available- I need a 58. Maybe next year 58 mould will be released.
I'm not a bike designer or bike specific engineer, but I can't but help to think the bottom bracket area looks a shade underbuilt compared to other frames on the market at the moment. Perhaps it'll give more compliance.
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WTF, I just asked if 1058-D Size 54 is available and they said it's not. Maybe I'll ask again and decide now on what to buy
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So... Has anyone ordered the LCR017-D frame yet? I was taking a second look at their geometry chart and it seems like a mess. I am no bike expert, but size 49 frame should not have longer wheelbase than size 54, right?
Small sizes have a slacker head tube angle, to avoid toe overlap. By lowering the head tube angle, the front wheel moves forward a bit more, which also results in a slightly longer wheel base.
In my opinion, small sizes should be designed around 650B wheels, not 700C. I believe Canyon does this for some of their women's sizes, but I don't know of many others.
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While toe overlap is a concern, I doubt its the primary driver behind slack head angles for small riders. Unless your toes are going into the spokes its an annoying but it doesn't really affect most riding situations
The bigger issue is weight balance. A smaller rider often going to be pitched forward relative to the bottom bracket. This is result of 2x groupsets requiring a min chainstay length to function. Combine that with a reluctance to limit crank length / lack of available cranks under 165mm (and in some cases 170mm) and you end up with BB drops maxing out at at 75mm. That min wheelbase for the rear ends up meaning that a typical size 51 frame has weight distribution between 55%-57% rear biased vs. the typical 56mm frame being 61%-62% rear biased. Slacker head angles with higher offset forks like the Cannondale Supersix Evo uses are a way to solve this problem, though that makes those bikes feel kind of slow through, tight, lower speed sections.
650b for road doesn't fix the weight balance issues unless you move to 1x, has a cursedly small selection of tires, and its unworkable for road racing. Not that Canyon is a shining example of good bike design decisions anyway.
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I think the geo chart for the LCR017-D is still shaking out. I took the geo chart from this (reseller?) https://jmcarbonframe.nl/frames-race/
And it looks like either the fork rake (unclear if that is what is in the second WB column) or the trail are incorrect.
If they had a 50mm or 55mm fork available for smaller sizes and this bike could take 35mm tires it would be interesting and pushing the envelope a bit, but 32mm is still very much on trend.
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And it looks like either the fork rake (unclear if that is what is in the second WB column) or the trail are incorrect.
Hello friend, that is a typo on the reseller's website, along with all of the frame photos. The second WB column should be fork rake/offset. Thankyou.
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Now our LCR017-D only size 54cm passed the test, other size maybe will a little change, now only on design,
have two version, supper light version for rider under 100kgs, norma weight for rider under 120kgs,
some photos on google photos,
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6fnizD7PMyFJ591u8
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I think the geo chart for the LCR017-D is still shaking out. I took the geo chart from this (reseller?) https://jmcarbonframe.nl/frames-race/
And it looks like either the fork rake (unclear if that is what is in the second WB column) or the trail are incorrect.
If they had a 50mm or 55mm fork available for smaller sizes and this bike could take 35mm tires it would be interesting and pushing the envelope a bit, but 32mm is still very much on trend.
The second WB is the fork rake/ offset, 45mm
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The seat tube, seat stays and seat post look so different in these photo compared to the ones on your Facebook page.
Doesn't look like the same frame...
The seat tube has been changed because the original seat post can not support strong enough.
The length between top tube and down tube is different because the sizes,
the frame in the Eurobike is only sample,
The production frame has some minor modifications, such as the shape of the top tube.
In addition, the angle of taking pictures will also cause the results to look different
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The seat tube has been changed because the original seat post can not support strong enough.
The length between top tube and down tube is different because the sizes,
the frame in the Eurobike is only sample,
The production frame has some minor modifications, such as the shape of the top tube.
In addition, the angle of taking pictures will also cause the results to look different
Fair. Sounds good, Jim.
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The seat tube has been changed because the original seat post can not support strong enough.
The length between top tube and down tube is different because the sizes,
the frame in the Eurobike is only sample,
The production frame has some minor modifications, such as the shape of the top tube.
In addition, the angle of taking pictures will also cause the results to look different
is size 54 available now for distribution?
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wow, that's aesthetically a completely different bike. A shame, since I liked the original design (apart from the super thin junction at the bottom bracket).
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yah, it's pretty much like Lab71 on the first design. Maybe they don't want some legal action from cannondale on copying Lab71's design
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yeah now it looks so generic and .. hate to say it .. ugly =\
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Agreed, the frame is way less appealing than the prototype. I would prefer the LCR0X in term of design.
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is size 54 available now for distribution?
size 54cm normal weight 1050g, loading time about 40-50 days after payment,
supper light version 950g need about 70 days,
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Agreed, the frame is way less appealing than the prototype. I would prefer the LCR0X in term of design.
the frame LCROX-D have too many bike brands and bike shops use it add their brand, it's a classic aero frame,
we need a new frame for long distance, More relaxed and non-aggressive geometry.
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the frame LCROX-D have too many bike brands and bike shops use it add their brand, it's a classic aero frame,
we need a new frame for long distance, More relaxed and non-aggressive geometry.
Agreed, but you could have made an endurance bike that looks aero, with an endurance geometry.
Something like the LCR0X but with different seat tube angles would have been amazing or something like the Yishun R068-D which looks like a Venge with a more relaxed geometry.
Or something that looks like the new Pinarello X Series
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I actually prefer the production version - the lines look more proportional. Much like a Merida Scultura but with a threaded BB. Could be my next bike!
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I actually prefer the production version - the lines look more proportional. Much like a Merida Scultura but with a threaded BB. Could be my next bike!
Yeah I agree, it looks like a Merida Scultura. It now comes to my mind that Lab71 is not a really good design and we might see some videos from Hambini roasting that frame lol.
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I wonder if you can ask to swap fork and wonder if that would be compatible, I prefer the one from the LCR0X.
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But back to Topic.
Which frame should be better?
LCR017-D (Light Version 900g cause - is it possible) or Yishun R1058-D (Normal Version 1050g / LightVersion not possible)?
Both are in my shortlist for an competitive Allround-Bike-Build.
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They're both kinda different geometry, so maybe the better one is the one that suits your needs best.
I had both on my shortlist and went with an R086-D, instead.
Wait I thought you went for LCR0X?
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Wait I thought you went for LCR0X?
Ended up canning the order and went with the R068-D instead. In the end I felt the LCR0X's stack is just a little too low for me. I think for my body proportions, the 68 is probably as low as I can get while still slamming the stem...
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Wanted something a little longer reach than my Endurace, similar stack and fully integrated cables. Felt like I was gambling with comfort too much on the 0X. I really liked the eurobike form of the 17, but in its current aesthetic, it's just too meh. T47 would've been nice, but BB86 it is.
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Now our LCR017-D only size 54cm passed the test, other size maybe will a little change, now only on design,
have two version, supper light version for rider under 100kgs, norma weight for rider under 120kgs,
some photos on google photos,
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6fnizD7PMyFJ591u8
I don’t understand why the date of the pictures says they were taken on 7th of January 2023, but you still displayed the prototype frame at Eurobike 23 in July and showed it on the web page.
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Because the prototype looks good and the production looks ugly
It does not make any sense though: customers will buy the production build, and why would you show a prototype when you already have the production version?
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I think I will strike at the Superlight version. I find the frame not ugly at all. Rather classic. And with a nice paint job and stickers you can enhance any frame excellent.
And he should just be an all-rounder for competitive use, because I live in a hilly landscape.
Lightcarbon seems to provide excellent quality.
They sell their frames to so many small to medium bike brands.
And I'm just not looking for a tinker frame but a frame like from an established western brand.
And I think here I feel in good hands.
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It does not make any sense though: customers will buy the production build, and why would you show a prototype when you already have the production version?
to generate multiple page threads on chinertown to drum up interest in the brand ;D
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Now our LCR017-D only size 54cm passed the test, other size maybe will a little change, now only on design,
have two version, supper light version for rider under 100kgs, norma weight for rider under 120kgs,
some photos on google photos,
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6fnizD7PMyFJ591u8
Today there are the "old" pictures?!!?!??!?!
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Today there are the "old" pictures?!!?!??!?!
Still newer than the ones that were there before.
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The seat tube, seat stays and seat post look so different in these photo compared to the ones on your Facebook page.
Doesn't look like the same frame...
I have the confirmation.
Maybe I'm the only one who got it wrong... This is the Superlight frame. It is designed for people up to a weight of I think 100 or 110 kilograms.
The standard frame looks a bit different... that's probably the other shape that's been around.
Visually, of course, it's really tasty again! :D
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They are not the same frame. Not even a little bit, not at all.
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I have the confirmation.
Maybe I'm the only one who got it wrong... This is the Superlight frame. It is designed for people up to a weight of I think 100 or 110 kilograms.
The standard frame looks a bit different... that's probably the other shape that's been around.
Visually, of course, it's really tasty again! :D
Two versions, one is supper light, max weight 100kgs, annther is normal weight, max weight is 120kgs,
sorry some mistake in my last post, the correctly photos of LCR017-D, final version,
Supper light version and normal weight version both are passed the testing, size 54cm, with the special seatpost,
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6fnizD7PMyFJ591u8
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Back to Lab71 design? Sad that I already bought Yishun one. I would be ready to wait for 2 months but Gavin have not responded to me on email so I went with R086D. Maybe this will be my second bike just in case
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Two versions, one is supper light, max weight 100kgs, annther is normal weight, max weight is 120kgs,
sorry some mistake in my last post, the correctly photos of LCR017-D, final version,
Supper light version and normal weight version both are passed the testing, size 54cm, with the special seatpost,
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6fnizD7PMyFJ591u8
That is a nice looking frame :D
Here it already is for sale: https://jmcarbonframe.nl/frames-race/ (https://jmcarbonframe.nl/frames-race/)
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Two versions, one is supper light, max weight 100kgs, annther is normal weight, max weight is 120kgs,
sorry some mistake in my last post, the correctly photos of LCR017-D, final version,
Supper light version and normal weight version both are passed the testing, size 54cm, with the special seatpost,
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6fnizD7PMyFJ591u8
So the superlight version has a different aesthetic to the normal weight version, correct?
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no, they have the same look, only different carbon material and/or lay-up.
there was confusion since first there were pictures in that album from a different looking bike
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for your information.
I ordered this morning the super-light version :D
and I'm really looking forward to it.
So far, I am very impressed with my contact: Wendy.
Very very fast. Very professional and attentive. and she seems to have a clue.
Also with my desired paint job, it was much easier and faster than with ICAN.
I was pestered with questions and had exact ideas about the design and was very precise... and everything was answered quickly, friendly and well.
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for your information.
I ordered this morning the super-light version :D
and I'm really looking forward to it.
So far, I am very impressed with my contact: Wendy.
Very very fast. Very professional and attentive. and she seems to have a clue.
Also with my desired paint job, it was much easier and faster than with ICAN.
I was pestered with questions and had exact ideas about the design and was very precise... and everything was answered quickly, friendly and well.
Good for you man! I really love the design of the frame but Gavin was not able to reply to me immediately and I just bought Yishun's R086D. Told him that I am willing to wait for months for the LCR017D.
Give us your impressions and review when you get it!
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for your information.
I ordered this morning the super-light version :D
and I'm really looking forward to it.
So far, I am very impressed with my contact: Wendy.
Very very fast. Very professional and attentive. and she seems to have a clue.
Also with my desired paint job, it was much easier and faster than with ICAN.
I was pestered with questions and had exact ideas about the design and was very precise... and everything was answered quickly, friendly and well.
I can say the same about dealing with Yishunbike recently. The Guidance from Kitty was very handy and within 24h. I had the chance ordering the R1058-D and they accepted my custom paint scheme as well as building up a specific rim/hub combination. So all in all about communication it was a very reliable experience.
They even told me, that after Patrick posted his youtube video about the R086-D, they receive a high amount of traffic and attention and are not able to deal with everyone.
I keep you posted when receiving the frameset and wheels and will comment on quality as I have the direct comparison to the new G21 from Yoeleo and there rims.
Cheers,
Marco
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I can say the same about dealing with Yishunbike recently. The Guidance from Kitty was very handy and within 24h. I had the chance ordering the R1058-D and they accepted my custom paint scheme as well as building up a specific rim/hub combination. So all in all about communication it was a very reliable experience.
They even told me, that after Patrick posted his youtube video about the R086-D, they receive a high amount of traffic and attention and are not able to deal with everyone.
I keep you posted when receiving the frameset and wheels and will comment on quality as I have the direct comparison to the new G21 from Yoeleo and there rims.
Cheers,
Marco
Do they accept paint scheme now?
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Do they accept paint scheme now?
not really, I briefly asked as I have some friends waiting for the final build & quality to maybe place a consolidated order in 2024. They accepted the painting as kind of "advertisement".
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I can say the same about dealing with Yishunbike recently. The Guidance from Kitty was very handy and within 24h. I had the chance ordering the R1058-D and they accepted my custom paint scheme as well as building up a specific rim/hub combination. So all in all about communication it was a very reliable experience.
They even told me, that after Patrick posted his youtube video about the R086-D, they receive a high amount of traffic and attention and are not able to deal with everyone.
I keep you posted when receiving the frameset and wheels and will comment on quality as I have the direct comparison to the new G21 from Yoeleo and there rims.
Cheers,
Marco
And R1058D is now available. WTF why they said that it was not available when I am looking for frame and it is now available when I already have one :(
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And R1058D is now available. WTF why they said that it was not available when I am looking for frame and it is now available when I already have one :(
but only the standard version...
i also wrote to kitty about the frame, and from the beginning i talked about the light version.
Shortly before the order and after mentioning again that I would like to order the 950g frame - I was told that it would take many months longer than the standard frame until it was ready for production....
Thereupon I turned away... and decided for the LCR017-D - which is even cheaper in the superlight version with all additional costs...
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Hey man, be happy, you have a legit amazing frame from what I can gather. Don't sweat it.
I really wanted an LCR017D or R1058D since it's not as aggressive as R086D. I even ordered a 100mm integrated bar stem combo and planning to use all spacers just to alleviate the aggressiveness of the frame. Tho I haven't tested the frame yet as I am still choosing a groupset and wheelset so it might take awhile. (next month would be the earliest as I still need to prioritize our upcoming baby! :) )
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I really wanted an LCR017D or R1058D since it's not as aggressive as R086D. I even ordered a 100mm integrated bar stem combo and planning to use all spacers just to alleviate the aggressiveness of the frame. Tho I haven't tested the frame yet as I am still choosing a groupset and wheelset so it might take awhile. (next month would be the earliest as I still need to prioritize our upcoming baby! :) )
You could've ordered something less aggressive like the R068-D, though?
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I really wanted an LCR017D or R1058D since it's not as aggressive as R086D. I even ordered a 100mm integrated bar stem combo and planning to use all spacers just to alleviate the aggressiveness of the frame. Tho I haven't tested the frame yet as I am still choosing a groupset and wheelset so it might take awhile. (next month would be the earliest as I still need to prioritize our upcoming baby! :) )
Good luck with the baby!
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@JimLee
Any photos of a fully built up frame?
When will super light version be available in sizes 56 and 58?
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@JimLee
Any photos of a fully built up frame?
When will super light version be available in sizes 56 and 58?
No photos of completed bike, some brands got the frame size 54cm as sample order, but no share us the photos,
size 54cm normal weight version loading time is 20 days, supper light version loading time is 30 days,
size 56cm need longer time, about 50 days. super light version need more 10 days,
size 58cm now in testing, more than 60 days,super light version need more 10 days,
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I pulled the trigger today, but I will have to wait a long time. Hopefully my frame will be shipped before Chinese New Year.
I chatted with the European distributor and got some more details and a photo of a complete build (prototype, size 54). Looks promising...
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Nice! How much did you pay for the frame?
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I pulled the trigger today, but I will have to wait a long time. Hopefully my frame will be shipped before Chinese New Year.
I chatted with the European distributor and got some more details and a photo of a complete build (prototype, size 54). Looks promising...
Looks sick! As much as I want just one bike for each discipline (i ride XC and Road atm), I might assemble another one for this frame.
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Nice! How much did you pay for the frame?
590$ frame (30$ discount), 147$ (shipping to Germany including taxes), 37$ PayPal fee, 100 custom painting.
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According tire clearance I got these pictures with 28mm tires. Looks like a lot of room for32 tires, maybe even more...
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Just an update on pricing from Yishun for the 1058-D. That was enough to turn me down on that frame. Those prices are getting really close to Yoleo frames I could get from Yoleo website here in Canada. Not worth it to deal with a direct factory from China at this price from my point of view.
For retail orders, R1058-D is 749 USD per set, including frame, fork, seat post, clamp, headset, and handlebar.
The painting cost will be around 150 USD
Shipping cost from China to Canada: 185 USD
Paypal fee: 5%
Total 1138 USD
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Question...I am kind of a noob to bike geometry but isn't the trail pretty abnormal for a road bike? That seems more in line with gravel bikes? I really like the idea of this frame as an all-around race bike...option for wide tires, a t47 bottom bracket, and aero are the main things I am looking for. Also, are 140 mm rotors the norm for the front? Seems like 160 is more common with the major manufactures.
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Questions
1 - Is the LCR017-D available in all sizes yet, or just 54?
2 - LC (not Yishun) offer paint options correct?
3 - The lightweight version is not available for single orders?
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Questions
1 - Is the LCR017-D available in all sizes yet, or just 54?
2 - LC (not Yishun) offer paint options correct?
3 - The lightweight version is not available for single orders?
You can order all sizes, but production will take longer for some of them. I ordered a 58 and it will be shipped next year. Paint options are available. I ordered one light weight version, so single orders should be possible.
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Questions
1 - Is the LCR017-D available in all sizes yet, or just 54?
2 - LC (not Yishun) offer paint options correct?
3 - The lightweight version is not available for single orders?
I think size 56 has now also passed the test and can be pre-ordered.
Yes. I ordered a complete custom paint job. You can mix all shades of pantonet.
I was able to order the light version. So it will be possible.
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Coincidentally, I had this brand's advertisement pop up on my Instagram feed earlier today. Never heard of them. $7000 USD for a 105 Di2 equipped bike. Does this frame not look like some sort of Yishun/LC variant?
https://alcavibikes.com/collections/bikes/products/alcavi-v1-shimano-105
What annoys about micro-brands like this one (besides a bike costing more than a similar spec Tarmac SL8) is their marketing videos want you believe they actually spent 5 years developing a frame. Rather than simply going to an OEM factory from China to purchase a licensed frame. I really hope I'm wrong about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC1f6z8m_jI&t=1s
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Coincidentally, I had this brand's advertisement pop up on my Instagram feed earlier today. Never heard of them. $7000 USD for a 105 Di2 equipped bike. Does this frame not look like some sort of Yishun/LC variant?
https://alcavibikes.com/collections/bikes/products/alcavi-v1-shimano-105
What annoys about micro-brands like this one (besides a bike costing more than a similar spec Tarmac SL8) is their marketing videos want you believe they actually spent 5 years developing a frame. Rather than simply going to an OEM factory from China to purchase a licensed frame. I really hope I'm wrong about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC1f6z8m_jI&t=1s
Another Lightcarbon's LCR0X-D lol. Well who would buy a $7k bike if they say it came directly from Chinese manufacturers. I have been into some discussions that they said that they would not buy bikes/bike parts that is coming from China. Well hate to burst their bubble and I said that their carbon wheels and frames are straightly manufactured from China lol
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Coincidentally, I had this brand's advertisement pop up on my Instagram feed earlier today. Never heard of them. $7000 USD for a 105 Di2 equipped bike. Does this frame not look like some sort of Yishun/LC variant?
https://alcavibikes.com/collections/bikes/products/alcavi-v1-shimano-105
What annoys about micro-brands like this one (besides a bike costing more than a similar spec Tarmac SL8) is their marketing videos want you believe they actually spent 5 years developing a frame. Rather than simply going to an OEM factory from China to purchase a licensed frame. I really hope I'm wrong about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC1f6z8m_jI&t=1s
VALUES
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Coincidentally, I had this brand's advertisement pop up on my Instagram feed earlier today. Never heard of them. $7000 USD for a 105 Di2 equipped bike. Does this frame not look like some sort of Yishun/LC variant?
https://alcavibikes.com/collections/bikes/products/alcavi-v1-shimano-105
What annoys about micro-brands like this one (besides a bike costing more than a similar spec Tarmac SL8) is their marketing videos want you believe they actually spent 5 years developing a frame. Rather than simply going to an OEM factory from China to purchase a licensed frame. I really hope I'm wrong about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC1f6z8m_jI&t=1s
I don't think it is exactly the same frame. Geometry is different and details are similar, but not the same.
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I don't think it is exactly the same frame. Geometry is different and details are similar, but not the same.
This is the frame
https://www.lightcarbon.com/new-integrated-road-disc-brake-frame_p136.html
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This is the frame
https://www.lightcarbon.com/new-integrated-road-disc-brake-frame_p136.html
I think they swapped the fork on it. Maybe there are other changes like using a different layup?
Speaking of forks, I really wish that they offered more than one fork rake for the LCR017. Ritte does this with a single design, but I am not sure how they do it. One way would be to use a bolt through design like OPEN and just change out the alloy hardware + a shim between the fork and the caliper.
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Visually I hate that style of saddle rail clamp. But it does make it easier to adjust fore and aft without interfering with saddle height and angle.
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Are you interested in reviewing a new entry level Chinese carbon frame?
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Are you interested in reviewing a new entry level Chinese carbon frame?
DM me.
Unless you were not talking to me :(
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my Yishun R1058D arrived finally
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Do you guys know a suitable handlebar which is 360 or 380mm wide?
LC has only an 400 wide option. With 370 shoulders not ideal.
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Do you guys know a suitable handlebar which is 360 or 380mm wide?
LC has only an 400 wide option. With 370 shoulders not ideal.
Maybe you can try to ask them for narrower width handlebar
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Do you guys know a suitable handlebar which is 360 or 380mm wide?
LC has only an 400 wide option. With 370 shoulders not ideal.
Good one piece options are EXS Aerova or Farsports F1s.
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Do you guys know a suitable handlebar which is 360 or 380mm wide?
LC has only an 400 wide option. With 370 shoulders not ideal.
Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! 974,18zł 25%OFF | FIRE SPIDER Bike Handlebar T1000 Carbon -12 Degrees Ultra Light Hidden Road Bicycle Handle Bar Di2 Integrated Handlebar
https://a.aliexpress.com/_ExpOhp9
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Do you guys know a suitable handlebar which is 360 or 380mm wide?
LC has only an 400 wide option. With 370 shoulders not ideal.
Check if theese might be suitable. Available as 380mm.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005495420157.html
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my Yishun R1058D arrived finally
That looks great! Mine will come sometime in January ::)
Is the seatpost meant for round or oval saddle rails - or works for both? Just realised that I did not ask about it :o
Would you mind sharing a close-up?
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Some newest photos of LCR017-D with T47,
weight A, the weight of only frame is about 910g.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HvSVbp3VtUzUp3ij9
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@JimLee, which sizes are currently available?
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What is the BB shell width on the LCR017-D yet, is it T47 or T47i?
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What is the BB shell width on the LCR017-D yet, is it T47 or T47i?
I asked this directly at LC and Wendy replied that it's 68mm width.
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They even told me, that after Patrick posted his youtube video about the R086-D, they receive a high amount of traffic and attention and are not able to deal with everyone.
How did I miss this comment?
I need to circle back to Yishun with another frame haha. Maybe a 1058 painted.
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Some newest photos of LCR017-D with T47,
weight A, the weight of only frame is about 910g.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HvSVbp3VtUzUp3ij9
910g is pretty good. I guess the superlight version will also get another ~120g savings from the HBR13 handlebars (310g) over the HBR07 bars (430g).
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Super cool looking frame.
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https://handslingbikes.com/products/handsling-a1r0evo-sram-force-axs
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https://handslingbikes.com/products/handsling-a1r0evo-sram-force-axs
This is not the lightcarbon frame, different bottom bracket, seat stays are different and geometry is not the same.
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Cool looking frame, in any event. Anyone know who makes the handsling?
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Cool looking frame, in any event. Anyone know who makes the handsling?
I think they really do their own frame (at least, it's not open mould). I would love to test their upcomming TT/TRI-frame:
https://handslingbikes.com/collections/triathlon-frames
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What is the BB shell width on the LCR017-D yet, is it T47 or T47i?
T47x (external bearings) for the smaller width bb shell
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my LCR017 arrived yesterday.
With custom paintwork.
First impression:
Wow.
Simply wow.
As soon as the bike is assembled, I'll put this beauty perfectly in scene and present it to you ;-)
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looking forward to seeing some pics of it
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@WhityWhite,
Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good! Crappy pics are better than no pics!!!!! ;D 8)
In all honesty, can't wait to see it built up!
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my LCR017 arrived yesterday.
With custom paintwork.
First impression:
Wow.
Simply wow.
As soon as the bike is assembled, I'll put this beauty perfectly in scene and present it to you ;-)
Details about the prices please. :)
@WhityWhite,
Crappy pics are better than no pics!!!!! ;D 8)
Yes, pics or it didn't happen. :)
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LC was my first choice when I am building my very first Chiner. I am planning to buy MTB from LC but I guess another road bike would not hurt tho
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Okay okay... A little spoiler.
But more really only after assembly.
Bottom bracket and wheels are still on the way :D
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Looks awesome! How much they charge for the paint and decal work, or did that happen on your end?
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One clean looking bike!
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Okay okay... A little spoiler.
But more really only after assembly.
Bottom bracket and wheels are still on the way :D
That looks pretty rad. Now I am really interested to get it as my second bike now lol. Gotta use that if I want to do steep and/or long climbs
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Can't stop thinking about that boxed up looking down tube.
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Decal Cost-Framecost. Black and White,Full glossy - US$70
Painting Cost-Frame
Color paint and coating cost for making custom painting frames.
Get frame and fork in Pantone 7473 and Black color painting
Full glossy finish- US$160
Made by Lightcarbon.
And really good work. Better than the ican custom paint, and this paint was good too.
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Looks good!
If not to late, can you take pics on headset bearing seats, BB-area, brake mount area etc, please.
Cheers!
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Last question on the decals … did you send them to them, or just provide pdf/eps files? Thinking about something fun through them and curious about your experience on that tip.
Thanks in advance!
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Last question on the decals … did you send them to them, or just provide pdf/eps files? Thinking about something fun through them and curious about your experience on that tip.
Thanks in advance!
I used to work as a media designer and was able to prepare the design professionally and accurately and make it available. I also provided the decals as a separate vector file.
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Anyone else find resemblance with the CC SuperSix Evo Hi-Mod II?
Ref.
https://escapecollective.com/review-cannondales-supersix-evo-hi-mod-ii-balances-reputation-with-modern-performance/
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Anyone else find resemblance with the CC SuperSix Evo Hi-Mod II?
Ref.
https://escapecollective.com/review-cannondales-supersix-evo-hi-mod-ii-balances-reputation-with-modern-performance/
Yeah the only difference is one is curvy and aero and the other is more boxy and not so aero looking
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Here is my work-in-progress. Frame, handlebar and wheels are from LC.
For the decal, I simply provided the font and there is a little graphic on the headtube where I used simple online tools to reduce a picture to black and white and then made the background transparent.
I am very happy with the build quality so far.
And the communication with LC during the whole process was really, really great!
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My only reservation about this frame is the seemingly little amount of material in the bb area. Just as someone who does sprints once a week, makes me curious to try it to compare against something I know is rigid in the bb.
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Here is my work-in-progress. Frame, handlebar and wheels are from LC.
For the decal, I simply provided the font and there is a little graphic on the headtube where I used simple online tools to reduce a picture to black and white and then made the background transparent.
I am very happy with the build quality so far.
And the communication with LC during the whole process was really, really great!
Looks nice but any reason you went for a copy of the standard byke logo? Just seems a little weird as someone who just takes a quick look at the frame and sees a branding that doesn't belong on the frame.
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Looks nice but any reason you went for a copy of the standard byke logo? Just seems a little weird as someone who just takes a quick look at the frame and sees a branding that doesn't belong on the frame.
I guess its more a joke regarding the "standert" frames, which is just a other "hipster" frame brand from Berlin, Germany. I think that joke works quite well here, as he also used the same font and a similar logo.
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@joegal got me!
I am not a very creative person but I thought it is standard to have a logo on the down tube and since I couldn't think of a fancy name myself, I ended up with the word itself - and since I like the looks of Standert and Helvetica is a classic font, I snickered a little bit and used it.
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@joegal got me!
I am not a very creative person but I thought it is standard to have a logo on the down tube and since I couldn't think of a fancy name myself, I ended up with the word itself - and since I like the looks of Standert and Helvetica is a classic font, I snickered a little bit and used it.
Fair. Seems like a pretty standard route to take. Hoho
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Here is my work-in-progress. Frame, handlebar and wheels are from LC.
For the decal, I simply provided the font and there is a little graphic on the headtube where I used simple online tools to reduce a picture to black and white and then made the background transparent.
I am very happy with the build quality so far.
And the communication with LC during the whole process was really, really great!
puhhhh - frame looks good, but copying a brand and then misspelling it (extra or not) is a bit like buying fake soccer shirts on vacation in Turkey and finding that everyone laughs at you because the club is misspelled.
Aaaabut - maybe I'm wrong and the joke is on you! ;-)
The frame itself looks good and I hope you enjoy it! :-)
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Here are a few pictures.
I weighed the frame and fork on the kitchen scales ;-)
Frame: 911 g
Fork (uncut): 436 g
I think these are outstanding values. Especially as the whole thing has been painted.
Also attached are the desired detailed pictures.
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Here are a few pictures.
I weighed the frame and fork on the kitchen scales ;-)
Frame: 911 g
Fork (uncut): 436 g
I think these are outstanding values. Especially as the whole thing has been painted.
Also attached are the desired detailed pictures.
What size is the frame and is it the superlite version?
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54 / Superlight.
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54 / Superlight.
910grams for a painted size 54 is insanely light!?! Are you certain the scale is calibrated?
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Some newest photos of LCR017-D with T47,
weight A, the weight of only frame is about 910g.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HvSVbp3VtUzUp3ij9
Of course I'm not sure. It's my damn kitchen scales. ;D
But since the manufacturer specifies 910 g, it should be about right.
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Manufacturer says the 54 is closer to 950grams unpainted plus at least another 150-200grams in paint.
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I can confirm the weights. I also have a 54 cm super light and (again) kitchen scale says:
Frame incl. rear hanger: 926.5 g
Fork (uncut): 406.9 g
Handlebar: 329.4 g
Seatpost: 164.9 g
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Wow.., guess less is more! Wouldn't have figure a manufacturer would overstate the weight
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This is my first "build from scratch" bike and my first bike with fully internal cable routing. I have two questions, hope you can help:
After installing everything up to routing cables through the handlebars, I noticed a gap between the frame and the cover under the stem. I believe it derives from the ring guiding the cables / hoses (see picture). Is this normal? Did I do something wrong? Should I do something about it? Anyone else with the frame having a similar experience?
And: do you recommend greasing the hoses at least a little bit? I haven't found anything about it but it seems useful to me as it makes the movement when turning the handlebars "softer".
Or is there something - like chemistry - speaking against it?
Thanks a lot!
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That gap seems a bit large, are you positive that all the parts in the headset are installed correctly? It seems that light carbon includes parts for both full- internal and semi- internal hose routing.
The space looks about the same if you compare to the screenshot of the video lightcarbon posted of the lcr017d
I wouldn't worry about greasing the hoses but would definitely install some foam tubing to keep the hoses/ cables silent.
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Thank you, dinorello.
What video is that? Do you have a link for me?
I am not 100% sure about the headset, might need to chat with Wendy once more ;) It's pretty tight with SRAM hoses so I was considering using a bit of grease to make sure things are moving when putting everything together.
Thanks for the advice re foam tubing. Actually used exactly the product you are recommending :D
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This video:
Some newest photos of LCR017-D with T47,
weight A, the weight of only frame is about 910g.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HvSVbp3VtUzUp3ij9
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This video:
I don't think that this video should be seen as an good example, because the bike is obviously not assembled completely. I assume that fork and headset will have a massive play with this kind of gap. Or, if everything is well compressed sand without play, a washer or the compression ring is out of spec.
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I don't have this bike, but worth noting that the specs for FSA ACR and Deda DCR headsets are ~4nm of preload, not the ~2nm that most people are used to with traditional headsets.
Also would NOT use grease on cables it will attract dirt and make a nice griding paste in your frame.
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I don't think that this video should be seen as an good example, because the bike is obviously not assembled completely. I assume that fork and headset will have a massive play with this kind of gap. Or, if everything is well compressed sand without play, a washer or the compression ring is out of spec.
That last spacer should not make contact with the frame at all. The compression happens with the metal pass-thru washer that's resting against the top bearing at the head tube. Either that pass thru washer should be thinner by .5mm or that final plastic spacer should have a deeper well to cover more of the pass thru washer as per the last pic
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That last spacer should not make contact with the frame at all. The compression happens with the metal pass-thru washer that's resting against the top bearing at the head tube. Either that pass thru washer should be thinner by .5mm or that final plastic spacer should have a deeper well to cover more of the pass thru washer as per the last pic
That is what I am expecting, too. As said, I am new to internal cable routing and I might have made a mistake but this looks strange. Had already funny pictures in my head what I could have done wrong with the washer or the bearing ::)
Ideally, I will disassemble the headset today and double-check.
@Sakizashi: The "grinding paste" is a fair point. Especially if the gap remains as seen on the pictures, regular checking of the headset unit will be necessary. I would not have used grease on lower parts of the bike anyway. Stem and handlebars were my main thought.
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If its the norm, which is unusual, I have seen a youtuber named oz cycle who has a youtube video dealing with headset space and how to protect it from water using a rubber gasket or a seating washer titled Thread cables thru frame - How to {you can start clip at 2 minutes in)
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If its the norm, which is unusual, I have seen a youtuber named oz cycle who has a youtube video dealing with headset space and how to protect it from water using a rubber gasket or a seating washer titled Thread cables thru frame - How to {you can start clip at 2 minutes in)
Oz Cycle is the best!
https://youtu.be/IQWYPxGicjU?t=98 (https://youtu.be/IQWYPxGicjU?t=98)
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Oz Cycle is the best!
https://youtu.be/IQWYPxGicjU?t=98 (https://youtu.be/IQWYPxGicjU?t=98)
Yeah he went to prison for stealing his neighbour's dog and then starving and beating it to death.
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Yeah he went to prison for stealing his neighbour's dog and then starving and beating it to death.
I just read the article about it mentioned that he has autism. I don't think it's an excuse, but I also have autism and sounds can drive me nuts and to the brink of insanity. I can't imagine killing an animal but can't get into another person's mind either.
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I just read the article about it mentioned that he has autism. I don't think it's an excuse, but I also have autism and sounds can drive me nuts and to the brink of insanity. I can't imagine killing an animal but can't get into another person's mind either.
apparently he got 'diagnosed' right before his court case and after he had kidnapped, beaten then starved and then beaten the dog to death a few day later. so i don't buy it.
i'm the same with sounds as you, there is no excuse for animal cruelty.
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That is what I am expecting, too. As said, I am new to internal cable routing and I might have made a mistake but this looks strange. Had already funny pictures in my head what I could have done wrong with the washer or the bearing ::)
Ideally, I will disassemble the headset today and double-check.
@Sakizashi: The "grinding paste" is a fair point. Especially if the gap remains as seen on the pictures, regular checking of the headset unit will be necessary. I would not have used grease on lower parts of the bike anyway. Stem and handlebars were my main thought.
Maybe the gap is coming from your headset bearings (different sizing top/bottom), that was my issue after building the Yoeleo G21 Batch 1 without the guiding they are providing now. Check that and could be that after switching out the .5mm are gone.
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Thanks, @fiveup89. I will double-check this. I am pretty sure I did it before because I was wondering if they are the same or not but did not think about the washer.
Thanks also for the Oz Cycle video. Good inspiration where to get fitting o-rings ;D
Different topic: I was fiddling with the SRAM Rival front derailleur and even though there setup tool is a great help, I have issues keeping the derailleur aligned with the chainring when tightening the screw. Any advice or shim-recommendations or Oz-videos how to manage this?
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I don't have this bike, but worth noting that the specs for FSA ACR and Deda DCR headsets are ~4nm of preload, not the ~2nm that most people are used to with traditional headsets.
Also would NOT use grease on cables it will attract dirt and make a nice griding paste in your frame.
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Guessing we have a broken thread?
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Yes..if I'm logged in I can't see the last pages posts.
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If we make multiple posts to this thread, will it page through and the 12th will be visible when logged in ... I want my bike porn!
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If we make multiple posts to this thread, will it page through and the 12th will be visible when logged in ... I want my bike porn!
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If we make multiple posts to this thread, will it page through and the 12th will be visible when logged in ... I want my bike porn!
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If we make multiple posts to this thread, will it page through and the 12th will be visible when logged in ... I want my bike porn!
Maybe
More
Rows
Count
More!
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Comment-bombed the previous page to get to a working page 12 ... I was not being intentionally obnoxious, I was being purposefully obnoxious!
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Comment-bombed the previous page to get to a working page 12 ... I was not being intentionally obnoxious, I was being purposefully obnoxious!
Appreciate the effort! Not sure if it worked tho, i had to log out to see page 12 and then had to log in to post a comment.
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Ha! You're a genius! Good job, TY!
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why page 11 of thisnpost can not open?
is there anyone have the photos of completed LCR017-D? we want some photosto show it,
Thanks in advance!
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Hi Jim, can your engineers spec a thinner top tube pass thru washer so the gap isn't as large as it is in the images posted online?
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the painting have the thickness, so if a thinner washer, will can not use on painting frame,
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the painting have the thickness, so if a thinner washer, will can not use on painting frame,
This is from a previous post in this thread of a painted frame which looks to have a too large of a gap between the top tube and the spacer. I believe that the spacer or the pass through washer should be adjusted accordingly
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I suppose you discussed this with Lightcarbon and Wendy sent you the same photo as me specifying that a 1mm gap is normal
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Yes I've discussed it with Wendy but I wouldn't say that a 1mm gap is "normal". Of all the bikes that have integrated bars none have such an unsightly gap which would also allow water and dirt to enter the bearings more easily.
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glad to hear it, I agree with you
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Yes I've discussed it with Wendy but I wouldn't say that a 1mm gap is "normal". Of all the bikes that have integrated bars none have such an unsightly gap which would also allow water and dirt to enter the bearings more easily.
I do not see any gap in the assembly of JMcarbon (European importer based in Holland)
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(http://i.imgur.com/NqVORtB.jpeg)
Heres my headset area, no gaps.
The headset is a bit finicky to put together with the hydraulic lines, I'd disassemble and look to make sure the bearing race isn't jammed on the lines.
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(http://i.imgur.com/NqVORtB.jpeg)
Heres my headset area, no gaps.
The headset is a bit finicky to put together with the hydraulic lines, I'd disassemble and look to make sure the bearing race isn't jammed on the lines.
That doesnt look like a LCR017-D
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That doesnt look like a LCR017-D
Doh
You are right, I was confused, this is the Lightcarbon gravel frame.
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I do not see any gap in the assembly of JMcarbon (European importer based in Holland)
Looks like JM is using metal spacers and top-hat which probably has a deeper recess which covers more of the pass-thru washer
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I agree with you
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This is from a previous post in this thread of a painted frame which looks to have a too large of a gap between the top tube and the spacer. I believe that the spacer or the pass through washer should be adjusted accordingly
Yeah that needs to be fixed. Looks a bit pooey.
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Worst case scenario is you need to file down the pass through washer about a half a millimeter by sliding it on a large file like a hockey puck. It's made out of aluminum so it should go fast
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I do not see any gap in the assembly of JMcarbon (European importer based in Holland)
Can you post a link to the website page you grabbed that image from?
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Can you post a link to the website page you grabbed that image from?
https://www.facebook.com/people/Joost-Mutsaers/100006505398070/
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https://www.facebook.com/people/Joost-Mutsaers/100006505398070/
Wonder if he'd be willing to share which spacer kit he's using?
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Wonder if he'd be willing to share which spacer kit he's using?
I asked him the question on his FB: no answer. I sent him a message on his website. His laconic response is: you bought it in China, contact their sales department. On his FB page, no possibility of comments under the photos. The guy is an importer in Europe.
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He's protecting the premium he's charging.
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I kind of get that response, he is making a living figuring these things out and providing support. That said, it wouldn't be my response. Some of their other bikes appear to use Deda headsets so my guess would be either that or the headset cover that came with the handlebar if that was provided.
Before worrying about ordering new stuff, I would fully install everything with the proper preload and then evaluate the gap. Unfortunately i think 1-2mm is considered normal. In every bike forum catering to mainstream brands there is a thread about Treks and 2mm gaps that show expose the upper bearing. Even showed up on test bikes.
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I understand his position. He's not going to saw off the branch he's sitting on.
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I understand his position. He's not going to saw off the branch he's sitting on.
Hahahaha...yeah for sure but the person shopping factory direct isnt his customer
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Okay okay... A little spoiler.
But more really only after assembly.
Bottom bracket and wheels are still on the way :D
Have you also had this gap reported by some in the head tube (upper bearing and headset)? Thank you for your contribution. ;)
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Have you also had this gap reported by some in the head tube (upper bearing and headset)? Thank you for your contribution. ;)
It actually looks good on my bike and I don't have any gaps - and I haven't even finalized everything yet.
I have a different handlebar because the handlebar stem units didn't fit me in terms of dimensions, but that has nothing to do with the gap...
I have also assembled the bike so far and so far I am very satisfied.
I'm having my fork shortened by a friend in the next few days.
I'll probably be able to show you the finished build by the beginning of next week at the latest :-)
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It actually looks good on my bike and I don't have any gaps - and I haven't even finalized everything yet.
I have a different handlebar because the handlebar stem units didn't fit me in terms of dimensions, but that has nothing to do with the gap...
I have also assembled the bike so far and so far I am very satisfied.
I'm having my fork shortened by a friend in the next few days.
I'll probably be able to show you the finished build by the beginning of next week at the latest :-)
Just proves the fact that the issue lies with the spacers and washers Light Carbon provides with their handlebars
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The spacers don interact with how the bottom cup sits on the top bearing. I think the gap is caused by some incorrect assembly or the tube race is doing something funky in there.
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I had the opposite headset issue on my Yishun R086-D. Had to spend about 20 minutes sanding down the bottom edge of the plastic headset cover to prevent it from rubbing on the headtube. Apparently this is more common than I realized so it wasn't a big deal.
Looking ahead to 2024 I don't really have any new frames that really catch my interested to build/review. The LCR017-D is probably the only one at the moment (especially the lightweight version). However, I can't imagine it would ride significantly different than my Yishun R086-D
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@patilean1, I thought the LCR017-D was being positioned as a more "Endurance" oriented frame ... also, just looking at proportions and the configuration of the stays, etc., as well as the significantly lover bottom bracket, I'm guessing the '17 will be a more compliant/stable bike, but who knows! All told, I would love to see you review this one, so any additional motivation I can come up with, I will (valid or no! ;D)
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The spacers don interact with how the bottom cup sits on the top bearing. I think the gap is caused by some incorrect assembly or the tube race is doing something funky in there.
the last spacer covers the pass-thru washer and if the recessed portion isn't deep enough it will affect the gap even after it's assembled correctly
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the last spacer covers the pass-thru washer and if the recessed portion isn't deep enough it will affect the gap even after it's assembled correctly
If you have a reliable measuring device, perhaps you could ask WhityBlanc for the height of the cover, as well as the part that separates the cables?
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I think the easiest solution is to just file down the pass through washer so the gap is minimized.
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It actually looks good on my bike and I don't have any gaps - and I haven't even finalized everything yet.
I have a different handlebar because the handlebar stem units didn't fit me in terms of dimensions, but that has nothing to do with the gap...
I have also assembled the bike so far and so far I am very satisfied.
I'm having my fork shortened by a friend in the next few days.
I'll probably be able to show you the finished build by the beginning of next week at the latest :-)
@WhityWhite
-Have to ask about the "middle spacer with what seems to be cable guide into a ACR 55 headset" on the stem photo. What is that, a stem piece (which one?)
Thanx,
Chris
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@WhityWhite
-Have to ask about the "middle spacer with what seems to be cable guide into a ACR 55 headset" on the stem photo. What is that, a stem piece (which one?)
Thanx,
Chris
as the monocockpits unfortunately didn't fit me in terms of size, I asked for a separate stem. That's why I got this part.
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I've just finished the bike and don't want to withhold the first pictures from you. :D
If you like, I'll be happy to create a separate thread for the build, with decent pictures and what the riding impression is like.
As it's a pretty wet winter here at the moment and I'm working until dark, I won't be able to start the first test drive until next weekend at the earliest :'(
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I love the saddle to handlebar drop hehe ;D
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I've just finished the bike and don't want to withhold the first pictures from you. :D
If you like, I'll be happy to create a separate thread for the build, with decent pictures and what the riding impression is like.
As it's a pretty wet winter here at the moment and I'm working until dark, I won't be able to start the first test drive until next weekend at the earliest :'(
Wow...Nice! You must be dying to take it for a spin! What the weight for the bare wheels youre using?
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This is a really light build. Which version of the frame did you get?
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Wow...Nice! You must be dying to take it for a spin! What the weight for the bare wheels youre using?
Elite Edge 45 mm
1330 g
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This is a really light build. Which version of the frame did you get?
The Superlight Version
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The Superlight Version
This frame is designed to accommodate 32 tires. Can you confirm? THANKS
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Elite Edge 45 mm
1330 g
Thanks, The wheels I'm planning on using for this frame are about the same weight, so hopefully I'll be around the same ballpark total as your build is
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I went ahead and pulled the trigger on this frame after reading this thread. Communicated with Wendy, and she was very helpful in making some selections with regards to paint, handlebars, and options.
However, the lead time is quite long. I wasn't expecting shipping immediately, but she referenced a new mold being made, and shipping isn't estimated until March or end of March. I ordered end of December. Just a heads up to anyone considering.
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What size did you order?
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What size did you order?
52cm
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56 ordered 05.November
Wendy estimated the arrival around March
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Does anyone know if the stack of the Yishun R1058 is measured including or excluding the upper headset cover?
The spacer seems to be approx 1cm in height, so this influences stack quite a bit.
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Measurements are frame stack, not stem stack (some brands list one or the other without saying which and some list bofh). You'll need to factor in the headset cover and the cable guide that goes on top of that.
It is about 3cm in total. Can measure mine later on.
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Measurements are frame stack, not stem stack (some brands list one or the other without saying which and some list bofh). You'll need to factor in the headset cover and the cable guide that goes on top of that.
It is about 3cm in total. Can measure mine later on.
Thank you for the information, measurement of the minimum difference between frame and stack stem would be appreciated :D
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56 ordered 05.November
Wendy estimated the arrival around March
Yes, In about March, from Feb 6th -18th we will have a long holiday for chinese new year, and whokers maybe longer for that,
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Hi there,
I’m looking into this was frame as I need replacement for my Carbonda CFR 505, which got stolen. The CFR 505 was a size 57 (100mm stem, slammed). In general I liked the frame. However, it felt quite tall at the front. Even when I was down in the drops it felt quite upright. For my next frame I want something that is lower at the front and a bit more “racey”. I’m about 184cm, with an inseam of 87cm.
I’m considering the LCR017-D in size 54 with a 100mm stem as this would put me roughly in the same reach as the CFR 505 but lower at the front. What do you reckon, should I go with the 54 or 56 size?
Thanks and best regards
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I've just finished the bike and don't want to withhold the first pictures from you. :D
If you like, I'll be happy to create a separate thread for the build, with decent pictures and what the riding impression is like.
As it's a pretty wet winter here at the moment and I'm working until dark, I won't be able to start the first test drive until next weekend at the earliest :'(
Great build!
I saw that your frame is size 54. May I ask you how tall you are and whats your inseam (I’m trying to figure out which size to order)? Also, did you have the chance to test ride your rig and can comment on how aggressive it feels in terms of the size? Last question: What stemlength are you riding?
Thanks in advance and best regards
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I've just finished the bike and don't want to withhold the first pictures from you. :D
If you like, I'll be happy to create a separate thread for the build, with decent pictures and what the riding impression is like.
As it's a pretty wet winter here at the moment and I'm working until dark, I won't be able to start the first test drive until next weekend at the earliest :'(
Were grommets included for where the brake hoses exit the frame at the front fork and rear chain stay?
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Were grommets included for where the brake hoses exit the frame at the front fork and rear chain stay?
Yeah - everything was there :-)
A good experience in contrast to my ICAN A40.
These were missing there and I had to make something myself...
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Were grommets included for where the brake hoses exit the frame at the front fork and rear chain stay?
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Can you post a close up pic of that area?
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Great build!
I saw that your frame is size 54. May I ask you how tall you are and whats your inseam (I’m trying to figure out which size to order)? Also, did you have the chance to test ride your rig and can comment on how aggressive it feels in terms of the size? Last question: What stemlength are you riding?
Thanks in advance and best regards
I am 1.83 m tall and have an inside leg length of 83 cm.
The frame size 54 fits well and is rather larger than expected. I had doubts at first that it might be too small. But that is not the case.
I didn't get a monocockpit as it wouldn't have been available in my size. With a 38 mm width, the stem was far too short.
And I didn't want to ride a truck steering wheel either...
so I opted for a separate stem and handlebars.
11 cm stem and 38 mm handlebars.
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Can you post a close up pic of that area?
oh sorry, I think I misread that.
There were no "grommets" for the brake hoses - but I don't think they're necessary.
There were grommets (I thought that's what you meant when you skimmed the post) for the cables and DI2 cables to the front derailleur/rear derailleur.
I can take photos of them when I get the chance.
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oh sorry, I think I misread that.
There were no "grommets" for the brake hoses - but I don't think they're necessary.
There were grommets (I thought that's what you meant when you skimmed the post) for the cables and DI2 cables to the front derailleur/rear derailleur.
I can take photos of them when I get the chance.
Thanks for the clarification. Won't the hoses rub through the paint eventually?⁶
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I'm going to replace my 10 year old velobuild vbr055 (mainly because I want to upgrade to wider tires, disc brakes and electronic shifting) with the LCR017D.
But im figuring out the frame size. Im 1,83 with 84cm inseam. I currently ride a 56 with 10cm stem but I always felt like I was overstretching a bit when riding in the hoods since im not the most flexible person. the geometry of my current frame and the LCR017 seem to be very similar. So im contemplating to get the 54 frame or a 56 with 90mm stem
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It's best you compare them in one of the online geometry comparing sites...
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I am 1.83 m tall and have an inside leg length of 83 cm.
The frame size 54 fits well and is rather larger than expected. I had doubts at first that it might be too small. But that is not the case.
I didn't get a monocockpit as it wouldn't have been available in my size. With a 38 mm width, the stem was far too short.
And I didn't want to ride a truck steering wheel either...
so I opted for a separate stem and handlebars.
11 cm stem and 38 mm handlebars.
What saddle post did you chose? I got the option for a 0 offset or 20mm offset post
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Oke, i made up my mind
I'm about to splurge on a 56 LCR017-D A-model (superlight) and also the lightcarbon 50MM rims with DTswiss 240 exp hubs.
Now i need to make up my mind on other bits and bobs but i think i will settle for the Ultegra DI2 group
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Here are a few pictures.
I weighed the frame and fork on the kitchen scales ;-)
Frame: 911 g
Fork (uncut): 436 g
I think these are outstanding values. Especially as the whole thing has been painted.
Also attached are the desired detailed pictures.
https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4309.0;attach=18794;image
How did you calipers align? Seems that the facing of the mounting areas on the rear chain stay and front fork is nil.
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What saddle post did you chose? I got the option for a 0 offset or 20mm offset post
Unfortunately, I only had the option of a 20 mm offset at the time
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https://chinertown.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4309.0;attach=18794;image
How did you calipers align? Seems that the facing of the mounting areas on the rear chain stay and front fork is nil.
that went quite normally and without any problems
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I've been having an issue with getting both the front and rear calipers to align. Seems that they weren't faced properly. .
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Unfortunately, I only had the option of a 20 mm offset at the time
would you have like the 0 offset? how does your bike ride and how is the fitting?
i have the same length and inseam as you, and since the reach of my current 56 always felt slightly to long i think i will go for a 54 with 100mm stem (vs 56 with 100 now)
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At first I had the feeling that I was sitting too stretched out and I moved the saddle completely forward.
Somehow everything seemed longer than I thought...
In the meantime I have moved the saddle back a bit and feel very comfortable in my current position.
I was initially thinking about ordering a 10 cm stem - but I have now discarded that idea.
The bike is really fun, especially on undulating / hilly or mountainous courses.
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Am I late, or did LC finally and officially offer up the LCR017-D on their website now?
https://www.lightcarbon.com/lightcarbon-super-light-disc-brake-road-carbon-frameset-with-integrated-handlebar_p240.html
This frame is still in my radar but I'd have to donor everything off my Yishun R086-D frameset. While I don't absolutely love the look of the R086-D, I can't imagine the riding dynamics are significantly different from the LCR017-D. Then again, super light version and custom paint are enticing. And obviously I already have compatible handlebars, stem, and headset bearings.
EDIT: Also comes with threaded T47 versus BB86 pressfit. Such a well proportioned looking frame.
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Am I late, or did LC finally and officially offer up the LCR017-D on their website now?
https://www.lightcarbon.com/lightcarbon-super-light-disc-brake-road-carbon-frameset-with-integrated-handlebar_p240.html
This frame is still in my radar but I'd have to donor everything off my Yishun R086-D frameset. While I don't absolutely love the look of the R086-D, I can't imagine the riding dynamics are significantly different from the LCR017-D. Then again, super light version and custom paint are enticing. And obviously I already have compatible handlebars, stem, and headset bearings.
EDIT: Also comes with threaded T47 versus BB86 pressfit. Such a well proportioned looking frame.
Hey,
first I didn´t found it but the sales send me this link
https://www.lightcarbon.com/lightcarbon-super-light-disc-brake-road-carbon-frameset-with-integrated-handlebar_p240.html (https://www.lightcarbon.com/lightcarbon-super-light-disc-brake-road-carbon-frameset-with-integrated-handlebar_p240.html)
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Finally catching up to this thread. Between this bike and other new bikes (like the TFSA options), I gotta say chinertown has really been spoiled with low-cost low-weight semi-aero bike options lately. ;D
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At first I had the feeling that I was sitting too stretched out and I moved the saddle completely forward.
Somehow everything seemed longer than I thought...
In the meantime I have moved the saddle back a bit and feel very comfortable in my current position.
I was initially thinking about ordering a 10 cm stem - but I have now discarded that idea.
The bike is really fun, especially on undulating / hilly or mountainous courses.
from the picture it did seem like you have a big drop, that is holding me from ordering. Im getting closer to 40 and was never really flexible to begin with :P
Just wired the money for a 56 frame with 90*420mm handlebar/stem will take prob 2 months until it arrives
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from the picture it did seem like you have a big drop, that is holding me from ordering. Im getting closer to 40 and was never really flexible to begin with :P
Yes same on my side about the LCR017-D. The weight is super interesting but the Geo is a little bit to aggressive.
The R1058-D looks more relaxed but the SL Version is still not available...
Standard is to heavy with 1050g for frame if you want to build a up a bike for events with a lot of climbing and a long time in the saddle.
Anybody other proposals?
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Yes same on my side about the LCR017-D. The weight is super interesting but the Geo is a little bit to aggressive.
The R1058-D looks more relaxed but the SL Version is still not available...
Standard is to heavy with 1050g for frame if you want to build a up a bike for events with a lot of climbing and a long time in the saddle.
Anybody other proposals?
New member here - I also have the same dilemma, and will share my thoughts.
First, these are my filters/criteria:
- I live in a hilly area, so I’d like to have an all-arounder, ideally with frame weight below 1000g
- Somewhat aero, but I’ll be building up the bike with 40-45mm wheels which will speak more to aero advantages
- I don’t race anymore but I still do fast group rides, so I’m looking for a frame with somewhat forgiving geometry – not quite upright like the Endurace but also not a crit bike
- 32mm tire clearance
- Under US$1000 (which rules out Yoeleo, Winspeed, Seka, etc.)
The 017 hits most of these notes, and Lightcarbon also do pretty decent custom frame painting and decals. But like you guys, I’m a bit hesitant about the long-ish reach. The stack/reach ratio for a 52cm frame comes to 1.33, which I’ll use as the basis for comparison.
Some of the others I’ve been looking at include:
Velobuild 177 (https://www.velobuildmall.com/products/2023-vb-r-177-super-light-carbon-fiber-road-frame-disc-version-hidden-cables): this is marketed as an endurance frame, but the geometry is similar to the LC017, with similar reach but lower stack. The stack/reach ratio is 1.38, slightly more relaxed than the LC017. Some of the pluses of the 177 are, for me: T1000 carbon, standard 27.2 seat post, available with both zero and offset seat post, Velobuild does custom painting, the frame is US$500, but … Velobuild seems to be more hit and miss in terms of quality, which worries me because I’m a first time bike builder.
Velobuild 268 (https://www.velobuildmall.com/products/velobuild-2024-vb-r-268-carbon-fiber-aero-road-frame-disc-integrated-cables): geometry is very close to the VB177 and LC017, with a stack/reach ratio of 1.35. The biggest pluses of the 268 are, for me: it’s a newer frame, so hopefully some of the known issues around the VB168 and VB177 have been addressed. But, it’s too early to say (anxiously waiting for @patliean1’s review!), I'm not sold on the weird Mavic through axles, and it’s slightly heavier at 1000g.
Workswell 316 (https://www.workswellbikes.com/endurance/wcb-r-316-disc-brake.html): this, too, is marketed as an endurance frame, but again, the geometry is similar to the LC017 and the VB177, with a slightly shorter reach and slightly longer stack. The stack/reach ratio is 1.38. The pluses of the 316 are, for me: mix of T800 and T1000 carbon, the light version of the frame is 950g, and I was quoted US$890 for the frame. On the other hand, Workswell does not do custom painting, and there is less info/reviews for Workswell and specifically for this frame.
Some other frames I’ve looked at include the Longteng 268D (https://www.ltbikes.com/index/products/view/id/21.html) with 1.40 stack/reach ratio, but slightly over 1000g, and the Longteng 266 (https://www.ltbikes.com/index/products/view/id/211.html) with 1.37 stack/reach ratio - but Longteng has been slow to respond after several attempts to reach them. And the Workswell 366 (https://www.workswellbikes.com/endurance/wcb-r-366(disc-brake).html), with 1.39 stack/reach ratio, $800, but 1130g, and as mentioned above, Workswell doesn’t do custom painting.
I’m sure you guys have looked at some of these options as well, and maybe like me have thought deep into the night about which frame is the most suitable. I’m a new member here but really enjoy the community and the spirit of sharing here – would love to hear some thoughts and if there are other options to consider!
[Edited to add LT266]
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Am I right, that you didn't consider the mandatory spacer? It's like the difference between specialized's SL6 and SL7/8. On paper the frames are more aggressive. But if you take the mandatory spacer into account, they are the same. So you have to add so m up the stack füre these frames!
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Some other frames I’ve looked at include the Longteng 268D (https://www.ltbikes.com/index/products/view/id/21.html) with 1.40 stack/reach ratio, but slightly over 1000g, and the Longteng 266 (https://www.ltbikes.com/index/products/view/id/211.html) with 1.37 stack/reach ratio - but Longteng has been slow to respond after several attempts to reach them. And the Workswell 366 (https://www.workswellbikes.com/endurance/wcb-r-366(disc-brake).html), with 1.39 stack/reach ratio, $800, but 1130g, and as mentioned above, Workswell doesn’t do custom painting.
[Edited to add LT266]
On Long Teng. Contact longtengalisa@163.com. I only have good things to say about the 268, i bought 2. full build with 32C 50+mm deep wheels is 7.5kg. The next frame i get is likely to be a 266 (for the mountains).
So get a 266 and let me know how it is :)
The gloss finish is awesome, depending on the light you can see the carbon below. The black matte is nice, but the gloss is super nice.
i got 36cm bars from Airwolf, love them. Uber stiff. Allegedly full T1100.
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On Long Teng. Contact longtengalisa@163.com. I only have good things to say about the 268, i bought 2. full build with 32C 50+mm deep wheels is 7.5kg. The next frame i get is likely to be a 266 (for the mountains).
So get a 266 and let me know how it is :)
The gloss finish is awesome, depending on the light you can see the carbon below. The black matte is nice, but the gloss is super nice.
i got 36cm bars from Airwolf, love them. Uber stiff. Allegedly full T1100.
looks good!
I ended up ordering the 56, the geometry is very similar to my current frame. but I ordered a smaller handle bar (46 to 42) and a shorter stem which should both ease the position.
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New member here - I also have the same dilemma, and will share my thoughts.
[Edited to add LT266]
When i see all the flat sections on the 017-d i doubt this frame is having good aero performance.
Down tube, seat tube and seat post are totally flat right in the airflow...
(https://www.lightcarbon.com/uploadfile/202402/27/0f8ad148d94858367c7ceb036a0c713f_medium.jpg)
About the reach/stack you must take account that frames need special spacer to ensure cable routing, thus you can add at least 1,5cm to 2 cm for real stack and 1cm less for reach.
About workswell, they are not selling a lot for single customers.
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When i see all the flat sections on the 017-d i doubt this frame is having good aero performance.
Down tube, seat tube and seat post are totally flat right in the airflow...
(https://www.lightcarbon.com/uploadfile/202402/27/0f8ad148d94858367c7ceb036a0c713f_medium.jpg)
About the reach/stack you must take account that frames need special spacer to ensure cable routing, thus you can add at least 1,5cm to 2 cm for real stack and 1cm less for reach.
About workswell, they are not selling a lot for single customers.
Yeah the down tube is as aerodynamic as a bus. The could have easily rounded that leading edge without sacrificing strength while probably reducing weight.
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Your all aero experts now? ;D
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Your all aero experts now? ;D
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Your all aero experts now? ;D
My what?
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When i see all the flat sections on the 017-d i doubt this frame is having good aero performance.
Down tube, seat tube and seat post are totally flat right in the airflow...
(https://www.lightcarbon.com/uploadfile/202402/27/0f8ad148d94858367c7ceb036a0c713f_medium.jpg)
About the reach/stack you must take account that frames need special spacer to ensure cable routing, thus you can add at least 1,5cm to 2 cm for real stack and 1cm less for reach.
About workswell, they are not selling a lot for single customers.
Haha yeah I get that, but hey you can't expect the moon for a $600 frame I guess ;D
FYI I contacted Workswell and they are willing to sell me a single frame, including the 316 and 366!
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Haha yeah I get that, but hey you can't expect the moon for a $600 frame I guess ;D
FYI I contacted Workswell and they are willing to sell me a single frame, including the 316 and 366!
Me too.
I asked Workswell for the 306. But at the moment the interesting SL Version is not available.
Is from 316 and 366 a SL Version available?
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Your all aero experts now? ;D
Who need to be to see that such a shape is not made for claiming aero performance.
Moreover is it hard to compare to the best frames in the market these days?
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Me too.
I asked Workswell for the 306. But at the moment the interesting SL Version is not available.
Is from 316 and 366 a SL Version available?
From my emails with them, they offered these in size 52:
- 366 at 1130g, US$620 for frame and fork only (seat post is extra but it's standard 27.2)
- 316 light at 950g, US$890 for frame, fork, seat post
- 316 standard at 1100g, I didn't get a price because I wasn't interested in this frame
It just so happens that the Taipei Bike Show is happening this weekend, and I will go check it out. I know Longteng has a booth, and likely other Chinese OEMs as well. I'll report back on anything interesting. (Let me know if anyone has any specific requests or questions in my DMs ... but I won't take requests for Hambini hairdresser pics, sorry....)
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I am wondering if any manufacturers will start to make bike with endurance geometry but race/aero design, something like Pinarello X1.
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From my emails with them, they offered these in size 52:
- 366 at 1130g, US$620 for frame and fork only (seat post is extra but it's standard 27.2)
- 316 light at 950g, US$890 for frame, fork, seat post
- 316 standard at 1100g, I didn't get a price because I wasn't interested in this frame
It just so happens that the Taipei Bike Show is happening this weekend, and I will go check it out. I know Longteng has a booth, and likely other Chinese OEMs as well. I'll report back on anything interesting. (Let me know if anyone has any specific requests or questions in my DMs ... but I won't take requests for Hambini hairdresser pics, sorry....)
I'm interested in anything Long Teng related. I'm super happy with mine, more than the 2 Winow i built at the same time. I like that they're a factory and not a broker like velobuild. My next bike will probably be a 266, so anything that's road, light, disc, and takes 32C, i'm interested in. And ask them to make 36cm bars so I dont have to source them separately :)
On Workswell, i'd be careful. There are a few horror stories on the forum about them, and they're materially more expensive than a lot of peers, but i can't understand why.
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It just so happens that the Taipei Bike Show is happening this weekend, and I will go check it out. I know Longteng has a booth, and likely other Chinese OEMs as well. I'll report back on anything interesting. (Let me know if anyone has any specific requests or questions in my DMs ... but I won't take requests for Hambini hairdresser pics, sorry....)
Just got back from the Taipei Bike Show – today was B2B and not open to the public, sh*t!. I was dying to get in, so I ran down the street to the 7/11 and printed out a bogus business card and got in lol…
Of the Chinese open mold manufacturers, I only saw LightCarbon and Longteng. Velobuild didn’t attend. (And I didn’t see a presence from other Chinertown favorites like Elitewheels, Ltwoo, Winspace, Magene, etc.) But I did get to see the LC017 and the LT266 in person, and got some intel on a new LT301 that will be released in a few months:
LC017: yes the downtube is quite boxy, but in person it looks/feels a bit more rounded than what’s on their website. And the seat tube is rounded, not at all like the seat tube shown on their website. Here is a video that I took: https://imgur.com/a/PNHdhI5. It’s a niiiiice looking frame.
Interestingly, I saw several high-end bikes at the show with similarly boxy down tubes with sharp edges, including the Giant TCR, a Bianchi, a Bianchi Raparto Corse, and a Java Volata that won a gold award at the show: https://imgur.com/a/NEb8cpZ. I talked to one of the bike designers and asked them about the design choice, and he said that they use less materials to keep the bike light weight, and squares are stronger than curved shapes. In other words, for an all-arounder, they sacrificed certain aero gains in favor of weight savings. I’m not engineer so I have no idea if this is true, I’m just relaying what one of the bike designers at the show said to me.
LT266: from my amateur eyes, this looks like a really well-made frame. Alisa from Longteng was at the show, and she told me that it’s made from a one piece monocoque mold, so they can achieve a higher degree of uniformity and quality control. The tubes are more rounded than the LC017. Interestingly, she told me that they are testing an unannounced frame, the LT301, I’m posting the geometry and a short video here: https://imgur.com/a/XvH327j. It looks to have a more aero profile than the LT266 and LC017 but still weighs under 1000g. Alisa said they just finished testing the 54cm frame, and are going through tests for the other sizes – it will be a few months before they start selling it, although if anyone wants a 54, it’s available if you contact Alisa directly. (OT: I asked which brands Longteng acts as OEM for, the only thing I could get out of Alisa was that they make a few frames for Argon.)
Does this help with my bike choice? I probably will go with one of these and not the Velobuild frames, since I’ve seen and touched them in person. Between the LC017 and LT266? I have no idea….
That’s all I have, cheers.
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Of the Chinese open mold manufacturers, I only saw LightCarbon and Longteng. Velobuild didn’t attend. (And I didn’t see a presence from other Chinertown favorites like Elitewheels, Ltwoo, Winspace, Magene, etc.) But I did get to see the LC017 and the LT266 in person, and got some intel on a new LT301 that will be released in a few months:
Nice one dude!! Especially finding a way to enter lol
Maybe create a new topic about the bike show as a whole, to share all your photos/videos and prompt discussion on different models? Since this one is focused on LCR017 but it seems you got info on dif frames like the 301 to be launched.
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Just got back from the Taipei Bike Show
You're a hero. Well done and thank you. Alisa is my sales rep at LT. That LT301 looks a LOT like the LT268 that I have, to the point that beyond the frame box, i'm not sure what's different. Weight i guess? Maybe manufacturing process?
The whole "squares are stronger than tubes" sounds wrong. And those boxy tubes look like buses, and buses aren't aerodynamic. Weird. Aero frames always were about tear drop shapes with the tail cut out. Not a box exposed to the wind...
Velobuild is a broker. Light Carbon & Long Teng are factories.
Awesome to learn that LT makes Argon frames, that just upped my bragging rights.
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You're a hero. Well done and thank you. Alisa is my sales rep at LT. That LT301 looks a LOT like the LT268 that I have, to the point that beyond the frame box, i'm not sure what's different. Weight i guess? Maybe manufacturing process?
The whole "squares are stronger than tubes" sounds wrong. And those boxy tubes look like buses, and buses aren't aerodynamic. Weird. Aero frames always were about tear drop shapes with the tail cut out. Not a box exposed to the wind...
Velobuild is a broker. Light Carbon & Long Teng are factories.
Awesome to learn that LT makes Argon frames, that just upped my bragging rights.
the tube is under an angle and there is a wheel infront of it. So while its certainly not aero optimised I think the penalty will be minimal, certainly if your not a pro
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Unless the bike is dedicated aero bike, square-ish down tube is fine. Cannondale SuperSix Evo 4 has square downtube as well, yet with Cannondale's own 50mm wheels and 2 piece handlebar it is on par or better with quite a few dedicated aero bikes.
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Unless the bike is dedicated aero bike, square-ish down tube is fine. Cannondale SuperSix Evo 4 has square downtube as well, yet with Cannondale's own 50mm wheels and 2 piece handlebar it is on par or better with quite a few dedicated aero bikes.
The downtube on the supersix evo4 is nowhere near as wide or square as the one on the LC-17. The front facing leading edge of the cannondale supersix evo 4 is rounded and narrower than the backside of the downtube which is squared off which is the opposite of the LC17. It baffles the mind why the lc17 was designed that way.
(https://www.lightcarbon.com/uploadfile/202402/27/0f8ad148d94858367c7ceb036a0c713f_medium.jpg)
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it's more inline with the Merida scultura (endurance) and the previous model of the factor O2 VAM.
(https://www.theproscloset.com/cdn/shop/files/FRD13110_PH3_1_3000x2000.jpg)
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I emailed LC last night regarding the super light version in size 56. They replied within 3 hours, which was a welcomed surprise. The sales rep was polite, detailed, and it was obvious she was well-informed. All the molds for each frame size are finished, however current production time for a size 56 is one month.
I'm not sure whether or not LC and I will be collaborating as far as video content goes, but the price and initial customer service experience is enough to make me wanna purchase a frameset regardless.
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I emailed LC last night regarding the super light version in size 56. They replied within 3 hours, which was a welcomed surprise. The sales rep was polite, detailed, and it was obvious she was well-informed. All the molds for each frame size are finished, however current production time for a size 56 is one month.
I'm not sure whether or not LC and I will be collaborating as far as video content goes, but the price and initial customer service experience is enough to make me wanna purchase a frameset regardless.
I had the same experience with them I dealt with Wendy. Very helpful and patience selecting the parts. I ordered a 56 2 weeks ago. She said back then 54 was also available
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Please tell me about the superlight version of lt too, I'm in the market for a new bike
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Hello everyone,
a short update on my experiences with the LCR017-D in combination with the Elite Edge 45 mm.
I have just returned from my 1-week training camp in Mallorca and after almost 1,000 km and thousands of meters of altitude, I am more than happy to have built this bike.
It just feels right and is a true all-rounder.
At the front in the wind in the group on the flat - up the mountains - down the mountains. There is nothing to complain about.
Here are a few pictures from Mallorca.
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Ok very nice. How wide are the tires ?
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28mm GP5000 STR
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Hello everyone,
a short update on my experiences with the LCR017-D in combination with the Elite Edge 45 mm.
I have just returned from my 1-week training camp in Mallorca and after almost 1,000 km and thousands of meters of altitude, I am more than happy to have built this bike.
It just feels right and is a true all-rounder.
At the front in the wind in the group on the flat - up the mountains - down the mountains. There is nothing to complain about.
Here are a few pictures from Mallorca.
Looking good...any issues in the 1,000km shakedown ride?
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Looking good...any issues in the 1,000km shakedown ride?
really nothing.
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I also ordered a frame in 56cm and a carbon spoked, ceramic bearing, ratchet freehub wheelset (C67DB) from them. Wheelset including shipping and Paypal fees was around 700 USD, which is quite cheap for what they offer. I will report when I received the parts. Looks like the rims are also provided to a company called „Laminar“:
https://www.lightcarbon.com/butterfly-weave-road-disc-carbon-clincher-rims-28mm-width_p237.html
https://laminarproducts.com/products/laminar-40mm-team-edition
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I also ordered a frame in 56cm and a carbon spoked, ceramic bearing, ratchet freehub wheelset (C67DB) from them. Wheelset including shipping and Paypal fees was around 700 USD, which is quite cheap for what they offer. I will report when I received the parts. Looks like the rims are also provided to a company called „Laminar“:
https://www.lightcarbon.com/butterfly-weave-road-disc-carbon-clincher-rims-28mm-width_p237.html
https://laminarproducts.com/products/laminar-40mm-team-edition
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What makes you say that there provided to a company called laminar? I thought that the rims were made by Pro-X
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What makes you say that there provided to a company called laminar? I thought that the rims were made by Pro-X
Provided to, not provided from brother
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Exactly looks like Laminar sources their rims from Lightcarbon/ProX.
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Any news from users on this frame?
I'm probably going to get one myself.
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I ordered back in December. Its ship date has been pushed back 2 times now. I hope they are planning on building some stock, because waiting this long is brutal.
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I ordered back in December. Its ship date has been pushed back 2 times now. I hope they are planning on building some stock, because waiting this long is brutal.
What size? I think for Medium it's pretty easy to get one.
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52
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I ordered back in December. Its ship date has been pushed back 2 times now. I hope they are planning on building some stock, because waiting this long is brutal.
Oh, hurts me to hear that. I also ordered a frame in size 54 with custom painting and a wheel set.
Wendy told me that it will take 20-30 days for both until shipping.
I really hope that they don't take much longer.
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That comes with buying a frame direct from manufacturer. If you get your frame on time, they either have it in stock or you got lucky. If it is delayed when it's being manufactured, that's normal.
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That comes with buying a frame direct from manufacturer. If you get your frame on time, they either have it in stock or you got lucky. If it is delayed when it's being manufactured, that's normal.
Difference is that when somebody gives you an estimated delivery date because they just want to sell you a frame, it's not cool.
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Difference is that when somebody gives you an estimated delivery date because they just want to sell you a frame, it's not cool.
Yeah I know, I agree mate. Just saying it's the unfortunate reality and it's a bit shit.
Unfortunately you gotta go into the purchase with the crappy expectation that your frame will be delayed if it's part of a production run, and delayed even more if it needs paint.
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Yeah I know, I agree mate. Just saying it's the unfortunate reality and it's a bit shit.
Unfortunately you gotta go into the purchase with the crappy expectation that your frame will be delayed if it's part of a production run, and delayed even more if it needs paint.
Problem multiplies when the customer gets antsie and the manufacturer starts to cut corners to get the product out the door.
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Problem multiplies when the customer gets antsie and the manufacturer starts to cut corners to get the product out the door.
Yeah that would suck.
My personal experience with the bigger manufacturers is they just dgaf. My frame has only ever been a blip in a huge production run of that frame in that size, so they just delay as long as they want/need. I'm not a priority, but the company ordering by the container load is. For me it's fine because I just expect that, but I get why others would be mega annoyed.
Thankfully it all comes good in the end.
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A couple of hiccups but Wendy from LC was able to remedy the issues.
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Great looking Bike!
How do you like it thus far? I see, that you got the C67DB (?) wheelset. The pattern looks very subtle, I like it. The hicups were nothing major I suppose?
Best regards
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A couple of hiccups but Wendy from LC was able to remedy the issues.
Looks awesome man, love that purple.
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Great looking Bike!
How do you like it thus far? I see, that you got the C67DB (?) wheelset. The pattern looks very subtle, I like it. The hicups were nothing major I suppose?
Best regards
The major issue is that they primed the whole frame in a white base coat that should've only been applied below the purple. So any chips or scratches are immediately more visible now plus the fact there's no clear coat doesn't help. It couldve been closer to perfect if they hadnt fkd up the paint and cheaped out on not clear coating it.
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Nice build, thanks for posting!
Other than the paint, anything to report on? Holes that aren't round, tolerances that are off, brake mount surfaces that aren't flat, inside of the frame that looks crap, any of that at all?
Very helpful video btw. How boxy is that downtube in real life? depending on the video, it can look like the least aero shape one could come up with, but other times, it's not even noticeable.
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Nice build, thanks for posting!
Other than the paint, anything to report on? Holes that aren't round, tolerances that are off, brake mount surfaces that aren't flat, inside of the frame that looks crap, any of that at all?
Very helpful video btw. How boxy is that downtube in real life? depending on the video, it can look like the least aero shape one could come up with, but other times, it's not even noticeable.
The front and rear caliper mounts could've been faced to help with alignment. The rear cutout for the derailleur hanger was a bit wonky and needed a little persuading to help it align to prevent it from binding up the axle when the set screw was tightened. I choose black to specifically camouflage the overly boxy down tube. Other than that the bikes been a dream to ride the first 400 miles thus far.
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It's great to see that support was nice at least :)
I'm about to pull the trigger on one of those too though geometry seems a tad too aggressive. Now just wondering if I should pair it with 45mm or 50mm wheels ahahah
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Nice build, thanks for posting!
Other than the paint, anything to report on? Holes that aren't round, tolerances that are off, brake mount surfaces that aren't flat, inside of the frame that looks crap, any of that at all?
Very helpful video btw. How boxy is that downtube in real life? depending on the video, it can look like the least aero shape one could come up with, but other times, it's not even noticeable.
Not this frame, but for a yishun build I recently did:
The the front caliper mounts were ever so slightly off. Doesn't help that I'm yet to get a set of shimano rotors that aren't warped out of the box.
The rear caliper mounts didn't look super clean but were actually perfectly aligned.
The bb was slightly undersized 0.02mm, which doesn't sound like a big deal until I realised it takes about 30min to remove 0.01mm, so yeah multiply that by 4 and it's a pita. Might not have mattered if I didn't used a shitter bb that didn't require such a precise fit.
BB mating surface was faced under the paint, which is fine under their matte black finish, but I reckon would present gaps if it had paint and clear coat over the top.
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It's great to see that support was nice at least :)
I'm about to pull the trigger on one of those too though geometry seems a tad too aggressive. Now just wondering if I should pair it with 45mm or 50mm wheels ahahah
If it's too aggressive, you can look into a yishun r068d, which is what I ended up doing for a build. It's a good frame.
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It's great to see that support was nice at least :)
I'm about to pull the trigger on one of those too though geometry seems a tad too aggressive. Now just wondering if I should pair it with 45mm or 50mm wheels ahahah
I couldn't decide either so I got a 55 in the rear and a 45 in the front!
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If it's too aggressive, you can look into a yishun r068d, which is what I ended up doing for a build. It's a good frame.
Thanks! I think one more spacer and it's OK!
As for Yishun I have contacted several factories and sellers to "feel" them. Yishun was polite correct, but the fact they didn't want to paint a frame and another minor aspect were enough for me to put them aside at this stage.
I couldn't decide either so I got a 55 in the rear and a 45 in the front!
ahaha
I honestly think there is no difference both in weight and in aero gains (and I really don't care much about this as I don't race). Just more worried if there is actually any look diference or not :D
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ahaha
I honestly think there is no difference both in weight and in aero gains (and I really don't care much about this as I don't race). Just more worried if there is actually any look diference or not :D
If I could do it again I would have gotten both 55s , front and rear
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If I could do it again I would have gotten both 55s , front and rear
Howcome?
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Howcome?
Looks.
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Looks.
Fair.
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The major issue is that they primed the whole frame in a white base coat that should've only been applied below the purple. So any chips or scratches are immediately more visible now plus the fact there's no clear coat doesn't help. It couldve been closer to perfect if they hadnt fkd up the paint and cheaped out on not clear coating it.
Thanks for posting your experience. Much appreciated.
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Hopefully LC will do better when it comes to painting frames by upping their QC protocol.
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Finalizing my order as we speak. Custom painted 58cm ultralight. Carol and Lightcarbon have been super-responsive and helpful, especially since this is the first time I've done custom graphics for something like a bike frame. Will definitely be reporting back as the process completes! Very much looking forward to receiving it and building it up!
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Finalizing my order as we speak. Custom painted 58cm ultralight. Carol and Lightcarbon have been super-responsive and helpful, especially since this is the first time I've done custom graphics for something like a bike frame. Will definitely be reporting back as the process completes! Very much looking forward to receiving it and building it up!
Damn it! It was you who took the last frame hehehe. I was going to order it but was informed someone took it now :D
They said 2 months of waiting time now + 1 of painting + delivery time. I am now looking for alternatives
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Oh, wow! Glad I got in under the wire! Had been talking to them for a bit, then got a little gun-shy pulling the trigger!
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Yeap. I was talking with her for a while too.
We had everything agreed and I told her as well that I could not make the payment before 15 because my accountant would not allow it. But then she told me it was not anymore in stock.
She proposed the 56, but it's stack is too low for me.
Now I'm back to square 0. Anyway hope u enjoy it
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I would love to understand better how these companies work as businesses. How many frames can they get out of that 17-D mold in that size per day? I assume they only have one mold per size. And so, with curing time and all, what's the ratio of mold to employee you need to have a sustainable business? When they say the 58 wont be in stock again for 2 months must mean that they got a large OEM order in 58, right?
Am very curious.
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I think a lot must have to do with factory capacity. I don’t know the scale of light carbon but they seem to do batches of the same model/size/tier. I’m guessing they have a team trained in a model and they do 1 model/size/tier at the same time in a batch then move on to complete some sort of rotation every couple months.
Anyone more familiar with the industry (I.e., with any experience with it whatsoever! :P) have any insight?
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I am no expert either but I guess this comes together with demands...
Whoever pays more, gets it faster. If someone orders 100 frames that person also agrees on a timeline. If they don't deliver, there are penalties.
As for the capacity it's on their website ;). 180 workers in our carbon rim factory, and about 150 workers in our carbon frame factory
Able to produce:
- carbon frame ---> 2000 sets/month
- carbon fork ---> 3500 pcs/month
- carbon rim ---> 5000 pcs/month
- carbon wheel ---> 1200 pairs/month
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they got a large OEM order in 58, right?
After talking with Yishun when they delivered one of my frames, my understanding is that they do everything in batches of frames and sizes. The oem and individual orders all get put into the same batch then divided up one all are complete and the biggest orders get priority over smaller ones in terms of overall turnaround. Then they go off to paint. So if you order a frame that's not in stock and needs painting and you're an individual order, you get to be at the back of 2 queues. Like me because I got one of the yishun frames painted.
I'm sure there is more to it.
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I wonder how many frames total light carbon has sold to date of the LC 17.
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28mm GP5000 STR
Can you fit 30mm or 32 in it?
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LC website states 32mm max width
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Looking for feedback from persons owning LCR017-D (light version), how does it ride? Is it stiff? Any regrets re the purchase and if yes why?
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LC website states 32mm max width
My question is when you have a rim for example with 28mm external 32 will still fit. I guess so, but would like just to get an input from someone with it
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The rims with an outer width of 28mm can usually be installed with tires 28C-45C.
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Got roasted for opening a new thread regarding this frame. Moving the info here
I've placed an order today for a size 54 with a custom design in 2 colours.
(https://i.ibb.co/R2J0BQ4/invoice.png) (https://ibb.co/cJsFC2X)
Final build will be 105 Di2 groupset. Elitewheels Flow 50 mm wheels with GP Contis 32mm.
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What is the BB shell width on the LCR017-D yet, is it T47 or T47i?
T47 width 68mm, have two version, 68-24 for shimano and 68-30 for sram
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This is from a previous post in this thread of a painted frame which looks to have a too large of a gap between the top tube and the spacer. I believe that the spacer or the pass through washer should be adjusted accordingly
There were some mistakes during installation. There are two mounts on the back of the bottom cover. The mounts need to be snapped into the grooves on the built-in C-ring!
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What makes you say that there provided to a company called laminar? I thought that the rims were made by Pro-X
PX Company is the wheelset subsidiary of LC Company, so if you send an email to one of the companies first, and then send an email to the other company the next day, you will receive a reply from the same salesperson! But it needs to be separated by one day, because the email system will be synchronized the next day!
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Got roasted for opening a new thread regarding this frame. Moving the info here
Don't worry, the guy who made the comment often sounds like a dick. I don't mind either way if you post on that thread or as a standalone one, I doubt I'm an outlier, as a detailed thread can be helpful.
Anyhow. Looking forward to seeing your build! What kind of lead time have they announced?
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Got roasted for opening a new thread regarding this frame. Moving the info here
I've placed an order today for a size 54 with a custom design in 2 colours.
Final build will be 105 Di2 groupset. Elitewheels Flow 50 mm wheels with GP Contis 32mm.
you've got a better price than I was given... I was said 590 because it was on sale...
How long do they estimate to deliver?
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Been eyeing it also, they told me they can ship a size 52 (LCR017-) in 2 days after I placed my order. However they reminded me they only have a limited supply on hand. Really not into getting frames painted, the naked color I have found works, especially since it helps me to hide new purchases from my wife. Really would like to see feedback from others who have made the purchase regarding the ride feel, especially how it compares to known brands
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you've got a better price than I was given... I was said 590 because it was on sale...
How long do they estimate to deliver?
I believe you were quoted the Super Light one ... IIRC, standard is $530, Super Light is $590.
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I believe you were quoted the Super Light one ... IIRC, standard is $530, Super Light is $590.
Maybe... really dunno. Yet again ur price was none of those ahah Maybe because it was a 58 it was more expensive kakakak
Your colour mix looks nice. Good luck on the build
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you've got a better price than I was given... I was said 590 because it was on sale...
How long do they estimate to deliver?
It will take a very long time. I quote Carol from LC: "the lead time is around 30~40 days for manufacturing."
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I believe you were quoted the Super Light one ... IIRC, standard is $530, Super Light is $590.
Super light version standard EXW price is USD$590, now special price in USD$550 with one hanger (carol made a mistake. An extra hanger costs $10 more.), normal weight version USD$490; normally we suggest the buyer get two hangers, so cost is higher USD$10/set,
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Super light version standard EXW price is USD$590, now special price in USD$550 with one hanger (carol made a mistake. An extra hanger costs $10 more.), normal weight version USD$490; normally we suggest the buyer get two hangers, so cost is higher USD$10/set,
Thanks for the clarification. Indeed I was quoted the old amount.
Any idea if there is also a promotion on the gravel frames and it's price? On standard version?
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Hello everyone, I am a long time lurker of the forum.
I just received the LCR0017 and this is my first carbon frame.
The package was in excellent condition and the paint is realy good.
However, I am asking for advice as I am wondering if there is a crack on the downtube.
Indeed, there is a place where I see a small crack in the paint, and when I lightly press it with my finger it makes a scary cracky sound.
See on the video (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/O2SybUxEs6I), I really press lightly and it is the only place on the frame where there is this sound.
I find it weird cause the frame is straight out of the box, I have just put wheels on it.
I have no experience with carbon frame and I don't know if it is just the paint layer or a crack on the carbon itself.
I send an email to lightcarbon and I am waiting for their answer but I want to have other opinions
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Yeah...that's definitely an issue with more than just the paint. Crazy if the shipping box wasn't damaged and LC sent it out like that.
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youp, I agree. Issue with carbon
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Hello everyone, I am a long time lurker of the forum.
I just received the LCR0017 and this is my first carbon frame.
The package was in excellent condition and the paint is realy good.
However, I am asking for advice as I am wondering if there is a crack on the downtube.
Indeed, there is a place where I see a small crack in the paint, and when I lightly press it with my finger it makes a scary cracky sound.
See on the video (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/O2SybUxEs6I), I really press lightly and it is the only place on the frame where there is this sound.
I find it weird cause the frame is straight out of the box, I have just put wheels on it.
I have no experience with carbon frame and I don't know if it is just the paint layer or a crack on the carbon itself.
I send an email to lightcarbon and I am waiting for their answer but I want to have other opinions
Just checked my lc17 at the same area and it seems likes it's very "super light" in that spot and probably only one or two layers thick of carbon sheet
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Just checked my lc17 at the same area and it seems likes it's very "super light" in that spot and probably only one or two layers thick of carbon sheet
Thanks for the responses.
And do you have the same noise ?
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Thanks for the responses.
And do you have the same noise ?
No definitely not. LC needs to send out a new frame asap or refund you and then explain how they could allow an obviously defective product to be shipped out. That crack could lead to catastrophic failure injuring the rider.
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Yeah...that's definitely an issue with more than just the paint. Crazy if the shipping box wasn't damaged and LC sent it out like that.
+1
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To be very clear, your frame is broken, do not ride it, get a replacement, and don't pay for it. FYI, it's obvious with the video, but impossible to tell with the picture alone. For any kind of warranty question, i find that video is the way to go.
I guess it makes you question the whole "affordable chinese yet ultra light carbon frame" thing a bit... Yishun / Light carbon have excellent reputation, yet less than 5 frames of the LC17 on this forum, and one's cracked out of the box. Not the kind of failure rate we want to live with, and it's infinitely more serious than a shitty C ring causing headset play, flexy bars that can be swapped for 100$ or a slipping seat post we can shim with a piece of soda can or some fiberglass cloth.
That is really, really not good.
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That's scary
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JimLee from LightCarbon?
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To be very clear, your frame is broken, do not ride it, get a replacement, and don't pay for it. FYI, it's obvious with the video, but impossible to tell with the picture alone. For any kind of warranty question, i find that video is the way to go.
I guess it makes you question the whole "affordable chinese yet ultra light carbon frame" thing a bit... Yishun / Light carbon have excellent reputation, yet less than 5 frames of the LC17 on this forum, and one's cracked out of the box. Not the kind of failure rate we want to live with, and it's infinitely more serious than a shitty C ring causing headset play, flexy bars that can be swapped for 100$ or a slipping seat post we can shim with a piece of soda can or some fiberglass cloth.
That is really, really not good.
Well not trying to be devils advocate but let's also take this with a pinch of salt. Yes, this is broken, yes this should not happen, yes this could have serious consequences, and yes I'm sure he should ask and get a replacement, but this can happen with absolutely any company.
For me it's all about how companies deal with these cases which actually matter. Customer service/warranty is way more important than any issue reported. He spotted this yesterday, asked for opinion, he will contact the company (whichever it is). The answer from them is the actual key here.
I have worked already in quite a couple of bikes and for me it's always about transparency, communication and good support. That's how I assess the companies I chose to work with in my business.
So let's wait and see. Having just 4 or 5 or even 10 bikes of these in this forum means little. I am buying one or two LC bikes to test the service regardless of this report here. If I like their service I can propose the frame/brand to my clients as an option. If not I keep with my provider and keep testing others.
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Yeah all that sounds good but how does LC send out an obviously defective and broken frame without some kind of QC?
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Just checked my lc17 at the same area and it seems likes it's very "super light" in that spot and probably only one or two layers thick of carbon sheet
You mean it´s thinner in that area than the rest of the frame?
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Thanks for everyone's feedback, there is definitely a crack.
I am in contact with Wendy from LC. I will keep you updated with how this goes.
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Yeah all that sounds good but how does LC send out an obviously defective and broken frame without some kind of QC?
Not trolling but why are you saying there is no QC?
Not trying to excuse this. I also hate when it happens especially in expensive products but QC is done at several stages. Maybe they need to add a QC layer here. I really don't know how the process of even putting it in the box working for them. If it's done by a machine maybe it could even be that. If its a manual process it can be sth else.
I'm looking forward to see how they deal with it especially since they seem to have no stock at the moment and waiting times seem to be around 2 months time.
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Not trolling but why are you saying there is no QC?
Not trying to excuse this. I also hate when it happens especially in expensive products but QC is done at several stages. Maybe they need to add a QC layer here. I really don't know how the process of even putting it in the box working for them. If it's done by a machine maybe it could even be that. If its a manual process it can be sth else.
I'm looking forward to see how they deal with it especially since they seem to have no stock at the moment and waiting times seem to be around 2 months time.
The whole objective of a proper QC protocol is to ultimately produce products that are free from defects before they ship to the end consumer. Everyone involved in the production process , from the initial order taker to the person packaging, should be another layer of QC and ultimately overseen by a department accountable for quality control..
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You mean it´s thinner in that area than the rest of the frame?
Yes...the area on the top side of the down tube below the bottle cage mounts and before the bottom bracket shell has more give or flex. Seems thin and I'm assuming it's designed that way. Hoping that JimLee from LC will be able to offer more insight.
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The whole objective of a proper QC protocol is to ultimately produce products that are free from defects before they ship to the end consumer. Everyone involved in the production process , from the initial order taker to the person packaging, should be another layer of QC and ultimately overseen by a department accountable for quality control..
Again, I totally agree!
They need to understand what went wrong in this or similar cases and improve that part.
QA/QC is a never ending process all the time :). Hope they fix this building issue and all clients issues
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Maybe something did go wrong with the shipping... It's not because there are no visible signs on the outside that nothing has happened...
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Maybe something did go wrong with the shipping... It's not because there are no visible signs on the outside that nothing has happened...
The area where the crack is, on the top side of the down tube on the inside of the front triangle of the frame. There's no way that could happen in shipping if the box isn't damaged.
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Thanks for everyone's feedback, there is definitely a crack.
I am in contact with Wendy from LC. I will keep you updated with how this goes.
wendy has replied to you，A new frame will be sent to you.
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The area where the crack is, on the top side of the down tube on the inside of the front triangle of the frame. There's no way that could happen in shipping if the box isn't damaged.
From the video and pictures, it looks more like the outer black paint has come loose during packaging or shipping.
The frame will undergo multiple quality inspections before it is completed, and then it will be painted and the aluminum alloy parts with water bottle screw holes will be installed.
The quality inspection in these last two processes is only an inspection of the surface appearance.
Cracks may come from handling or rough treatment during transportation.
We will improve this based on feedback
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Again, I totally agree!
They need to understand what went wrong in this or similar cases and improve that part.
QA/QC is a never ending process all the time :). Hope they fix this building issue and all clients issues
Yes, we will improve details such as products and shipping based on customer feedback!
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This is some top notch customer service :)
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I've ordered this Frame (ultralight version) on april 2th after I had a detailed Email conversation with Wendy. She was very professional so far.
She told me it'll take 20-30 days production time. Today I asked her an she told me it will take like 10 days longer, which is still okay to me.
I'll send an update and pictures when I know something new.
I'm glad that they seem to handle this
Defect with some good customer support and sent out a new frame.
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wendy has replied to you，A new frame will be sent to you.
Yes, I received her message this morning
LC is sending a new frame. I am really happy by how they handled this. Their customer service is legit.
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Excellent, are you shipping the defective frame back so they can figure out what caused the carbon to delaminate?
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From the video and pictures, it looks more like the outer black paint has come loose during packaging or shipping.
The frame will undergo multiple quality inspections before it is completed, and then it will be painted and the aluminum alloy parts with water bottle screw holes will be installed.
The quality inspection in these last two processes is only an inspection of the surface appearance.
Cracks may come from handling or rough treatment during transportation.
We will improve this based on feedback
If the aluminum inserts are installed after the frame is painted that process is most likely the culprit as that area seems to be the thinnest.
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Hello Community
Here is my finished build of the LCR017-D
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Beauty! Love the color! How’s the paint finish close up? Also, thanks for the feedback on the bottles. Ordered a couple to ship with my frame (still a month before shipping … the parts are so lonely! :P).
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Is there any suitable direct mount derailleur hanger to use with this frame?
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Hello Community
Here is my finished build of the LCR017-D
Please consider using different logos, it's pretty cringe (and illegal in lots of jurisdictions) to ride fakes. My bike looks like a Factor and i made Tractor decals, it's my way of trolling Factor. But putting Factor logos would just be cringe.
Light carbon makes good frames, there's no shame in riding one, but it doesn't make it a cannondale.
Nice build though, let us know how it rides & holds up over time!
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Please consider using different logos, it's pretty cringe (and illegal in lots of jurisdictions) to ride fakes. My bike looks like a Factor and i made Tractor decals, it's my way of trolling Factor. But putting Factor logos would just be cringe.
Light carbon makes good frames, there's no shame in riding one, but it doesn't make it a cannondale.
Nice build though, let us know how it rides & holds up over time!
I know
And it was never my Intention to drive it with the Cannondale decals
I originaly ordered with Lightcarbon dacals for 35$
But unfortunatly wendy and LC forgot to put the decals on my frame
Sorry
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Beauty! Love the color! How’s the paint finish close up? Also, thanks for the feedback on the bottles. Ordered a couple to ship with my frame (still a month before shipping … the parts are so lonely! :P).
The Color Finishing is not the best unfortunetly
After 500km I have alredy some chips in the Color
It isnt so durable like the name Brands
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Yeah the colour looks great but if it chips, not sure it's worth to pay.
Which colour is it?
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Clear coating over the color usually helps with durability which I wrongly assumed was included with the cost of painting
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Clear coating over the color usually helps with durability which I wrongly assumed was included with the cost of painting
Thanks
The Next time i am going to ask for the protective clear coating for shure.
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Yeah the colour looks great but if it chips, not sure it's worth to pay.
Which colour is it?
The color should be metallic Blue
But in real it isnt looking like on the color samples (But wandy from LC communicated this with me and asked if Its ok that isnt lake the Color chart
I approved it to avoid further delays
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The color should be metallic Blue
But in real it isnt looking like on the color samples (But wandy from LC communicated this with me and asked if Its ok that isnt lake the Color chart
I approved it to avoid further delays
Well I must say it looks great the colour. Are you fitting 32 tires? Do you think it's possible to fit 35?
About the Clear coating, maybe @Jim can confirm but I'd assume it should have it. Maybe they need to improve it too
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All modern paint jobs should be clear coated instead of just buffing the paint to a high gloss finish.
Wendy posted this lc17 on facebook with clear coat over just the raw carbon frame.https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1106790517314036&set=a.714845989841826 (https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1106790517314036&set=a.714845989841826)
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Well I must say it looks great the colour. Are you fitting 32 tires? Do you think it's possible to fit 35?
About the Clear coating, maybe @Jim can confirm but I'd assume it should have it. Maybe they need to improve it too
I'm currently driving a 30mm Vittoria Corsa Next and there's not a lot of space. 35mm shouldn't be a problem at all
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All modern paint jobs should be clear coated instead of just buffing the paint to a high gloss finish.
Wendy posted this lc17 on facebook with clear coat over just the raw carbon frame.
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/437529114_1106790493980705_84133431295003279_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=OI6ZPwSJdR0Ab6Z0uny&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-
That's actually a very good tip. Next time I probably won't order a very thick protective coat
1.xx&oh=00_AfB6Q9fxEefvwHOcNrDKpXUsDn73tzm3mQZBotqBTZWYBg&oe=662F093F (https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/437529114_1106790493980705_84133431295003279_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=OI6ZPwSJdR0Ab6Z0uny&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=00_AfB6Q9fxEefvwHOcNrDKpXUsDn73tzm3mQZBotqBTZWYBg&oe=662F093F)
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I'm currently driving a 30mm Vittoria Corsa Next and there's not a lot of space. 35mm shouldn't be a problem at all
Sorry your message was a bit confusing
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Sorry your message was a bit confusing
UPS
Yeah 35mm should fit without any problems
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UPS
Yeah 35mm should fit without any problems
Cool. Thanks. I'll order one to see the quality then and do a simple build with a 105 I got laying around
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Clear coating over the color usually helps with durability which I wrongly assumed was included with the cost of painting
Are you sure your frame isnt clear coated? From the video and photos it looks proper glossy (like a clear coated frame). But than again, this could be due to the sunlight.
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Are you sure your frame isnt clear coated? From the video and photos it looks proper glossy (like a clear coated frame). But than again, this could be due to the sunlight.
Definitely not clear coated....only buffed to the point where it's been rubbed through to the white base coat in areas . You figure the amount of time that they could have saved buffing it out by clear coating it instead would have been more cost effective in the end
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Definitely not clear coated....only buffed to the point where it's been rubbed through to the white base coat in areas . You figure the amount of time that they could have saved buffing it out by clear coating it instead would have been more cost effective in the end
Do you think it's possible to apply the clear coat yourself with a spray can afterwards, so that it looks like a professional job?
I never done a paint job before. But if they don't use a clear coat, the base paint should be a 2K colour, right. So sanding before applying the clear coat is required as far as I understand.
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Did you ask them already? @Jim can you confirm it there is a clearcoat or not?
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Do you think it's possible to apply the clear coat yourself with a spray can afterwards, so that it looks like a professional job?
I never done a paint job before. But if they don't use a clear coat, the base paint should be a 2K colour, right. So sanding before applying the clear coat is required as far as I understand.
Frame needs to be prepped and masked properly...it's really a job better done by a pro if you havent any painting experience. Best solution is to have the manufacturer paint the frames properly instead of pushing out sub-standard crap
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Did you ask them already? @Jim can you confirm it there is a clearcoat or not?
No, I did not asked them yet. But the frame is/was already during painting process this week.
I really hope that they use a proper clear coat. But from the other guys experiences it might be without.
Would be good if Jim can reply on that.
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Frame needs to be prepped and masked properly...it's really a job better done by a pro if you havent any painting experience. Best solution is to have the manufacturer paint the frames properly instead of pushing out sub-standard crap
Hm, you might probably be right with that. But I don't want to spend much more money for painting/ coating on the frame. If a professional has to do that I guess it will be pretty expensive.
However I don't have two left hands and with some tutorials and preparation I could imagine doing it by myself.
But who knows, maybe there will be a clear coat on the paint already. I really hope so...
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I'm sure you can handle painting the frame with some online tutorials. I would suggest using a two part epoxy clear coat available in a rattle can online .
https://www.amazon.com/SprayMax-Glamour-Gloss-Aerosol-Clear/dp/B0082LJMC6/ref=asc_df_B0082LJMC6/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312089957955&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=18355015209638236415&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1022698&hvtargid=pla-491695780726&psc=1&mcid=4dd3d2ef1707324ca3957547519fd71e&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_qexBhCoARIsAFgBleu9Nt7ruWUvvu68PeiGlIwgv01XkPsH1WhYT3W2Ep5zkdkQrZu7K5EaAsRVEALw_wcB (https://www.amazon.com/SprayMax-Glamour-Gloss-Aerosol-Clear/dp/B0082LJMC6/ref=asc_df_B0082LJMC6/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312089957955&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=18355015209638236415&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1022698&hvtargid=pla-491695780726&psc=1&mcid=4dd3d2ef1707324ca3957547519fd71e&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_qexBhCoARIsAFgBleu9Nt7ruWUvvu68PeiGlIwgv01XkPsH1WhYT3W2Ep5zkdkQrZu7K5EaAsRVEALw_wcB)
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Having used one can clear coat, it's really not that great, so 2 part clear coat is likely a must. It will kill you though, so absolutely look into PPE and do it outside.
And it really is a pain to paint frames, so... Be very careful with over spray, clear coat is meant to not come off.
I painted one from primer stage, the result from a distance is fine, from up close it's adequate, but I wish I had just ordered black and played with decals. To be fair the whole painting operation cost me less than 30 EUR.
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Having used one can clear coat, it's really not that great, so 2 part clear coat is likely a must. It will kill you though, so absolutely look into PPE and do it outside.
And it really is a pain to paint frames, so... Be very careful with over spray, clear coat is meant to not come off.
I painted one from primer stage, the result from a distance is fine, from up close it's adequate, but I wish I had just ordered black and played with decals. To be fair the whole painting operation cost me less than 30 EUR.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I think a very precise masking with tape is a must.
As far as I know, using 2K clear coat in first layer, let it dry for a few days, then sanding and applying another layer is the minimum for a good result.
What I'm not sure about is, if it is needed to sand the original paint layer first, before applying the first layer of clear coat.
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I received frame yesterday, and am happy to report that some of the issues posted here the past few weeks were not a problem for me.
Clear coat over a really great chameleon paint
Faced brake mounts
Fit of everything seems really great
I requested both round and oval seat clamps and both were provided, showing attention to detail
Will post pictures when its complete
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I received frame yesterday, and am happy to report that some of the issues posted here the past few weeks were not a problem for me.
Clear coat over a really great chameleon paint
Faced brake mounts
Fit of everything seems really great
I requested both round and oval seat clamps and both were provided, showing attention to detail
Will post pictures when its complete
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Good to hear LC is learning from their customer based QC Dept. I believe that chameleon paint is a base coat system with a clear that allows the chameleon effect to happen.
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Recieved my frame today. Initial inspection tells me all is well.
Frame wise all seems well.
Material tickness around headset area is spot on, bearing seats are, well... REALLY clean.
Derallieur hanger and wheel axel mounts are as expected, ie clean and no paint spill.
Overall paint job is immaculate, did mine in glossy pearl white with LC logos.
If there is interrest, I can post pics after build is finished.
Cheers,
Chris
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If there is interrest, I can post pics after build is finished.
Sounds good. And yes, pics please. Unnecessary question... :)
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Recieved my frame today. Initial inspection tells me all is well.
Frame wise all seems well.
Material tickness around headset area is spot on, bearing seats are, well... REALLY clean.
Derallieur hanger and wheel axel mounts are as expected, ie clean and no paint spill.
Overall paint job is immaculate, did mine in glossy pearl white with LC logos.
If there is interrest, I can post pics after build is finished.
Cheers,
Chris
You can even post pics now ahaha. We like to follow the process
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Here, teaser pic...
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Quick question: did the provided tracking number work for you? Wendy send me a tracking number for my wheelset about 12 days ago, but the tracking is not moving at all (which she said would happen).
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Tracking, naah, not until the last 36hrs of the delivery. Tracking page said parcel was registered but not yet recieved, then the last stages in Europe it was all good. The parcel took 20 days to get to Stockholm / me after registration with the carrier (DHL).
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Here, teaser pic...
nice how much overall?
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Here, teaser pic...
Cool. Super nice. Thought about that colour too.
Did you have to pay for the logo or as it was theirs they didn't charge you?
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Pricing.
LC had a introduction rate of the frame, so I ended up paying 955USD inc. shipping and VAT.
That included custom design, ie paint job, with decals. Proper decal job, no stickers.
Separate handlebar+stem, seat post, axles, headset, plus additional extra DH, extra head set inc. spacers.
Spent most day in the garage yesterday. Building experience is good, really, the only issue so far is internal cable routing. Edges (entry/exit) of holes are a bit rough.
After building several bokes with a SWORKS logo on it (supposedly good) so far the experience with this frame is more or less up there, pleasant. :)
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Pricing.
LC had a introduction rate of the frame, so I ended up paying 955USD inc. shipping and VAT.
That included custom design, ie paint job, with decals. Proper decal job, no stickers.
Separate handlebar+stem, seat post, axles, headset, plus additional extra DH, extra head set inc. spacers.
Spent most day in the garage yesterday. Building experience is good, really, the only issue so far is internal cable routing. Edges (entry/exit) of holes are a bit rough.
After building several bokes with a SWORKS logo on it (supposedly good) so far the experience with this frame is more or less up there, pleasant. :)
Looks great and promising. Looking forward for the build
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Another build day, today was BB and cranks.
So, I confess to being somewhat @n@l when it comes to alignment, so the LCR017-D gets a treatment.
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Did you need to work on' the bottom bracket?? Was it that bad?
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Another build day, today was BB and cranks.
So, I confess to being somewhat @n@l when it comes to alignment, so the LCR017-D gets a treatment.
Tool probably costs more than the frameset
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Yes, the tool is ridiculously expensive, and for this frame not really needed.
I'm picky. And a bit obsessed with optimization. :)
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Ironically saw the new thread about bolt length for the LCR015-D with SRAM calipers, and need the same for the LCR017-D. Anyone know if this also takes 27mm bolts? Sorry for my ignorance, but are the front fork bolts all standard for SRAM? Got Force OEM brifter/calipers, so no bolts/washers. Hopefully someone can kindly tell me what to order! ;D
Thanks in advance!
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I almost forgot that I wanted to ask a similar question about the length of bolts for the brake calipers.
I'm going to build the LCR017-D Frame with Shimano Ultegra 2x11 (R8000). Can anyone tell me if I need longer (or shorter) bolts for mounting the brake caliper on that frame?
Especially on the rear there are often longer bolts needed, as far as I know.
Thanks in advance.
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Ok. I've decided to give this frame a trial.
Will be using an old 105 7020 I got laying around. How is this bike fit? Does it fit on the bigger size or lower?
I'm 1.89 so I am going for the 58 for sure, just not sure about stem 100 or 110 and seatpost setback 0 or 20.
I'm not going to do any racing so I'd rather go more to a neutral approach. My usual rides are on endurance bikes like the carbonda 1056.
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If you dont know the site, play around with https://geometrygeeks.bike/. Will let you compare bikes' geometries, it's extremely helpful.
Height alone means very little. I'm 184 and i now ride medium frames because i have long legs (saddle height of c.81cm). I also have fairly long arms, so i can fit myself on large frames, but i have a short torso, so i'm actually more comfortable to push watts on a medium than a large, with fairly high stack because my saddle to bar drop is pretty extreme. If in doubt, always, always go smaller rather than larger. I just sold a giant propel in L that was always a tad too big for me. Tragic, because that bike was amazing. Had i bought a M/L i probably would not have upgraded.
If you ride on the flat a lot and are comfortable in aero positions, probably best to take a 0 offset post, will get you more vertical on the BB, a la TT bike.
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If you dont know the site, play around with https://geometrygeeks.bike/. Will let you compare bikes' geometries, it's extremely helpful.
Height alone means very little. I'm 184 and i now ride medium frames because i have long legs (saddle height of c.81cm). I also have fairly long arms, so i can fit myself on large frames, but i have a short torso, so i'm actually more comfortable to push watts on a medium than a large, with fairly high stack because my saddle to bar drop is pretty extreme. If in doubt, always, always go smaller rather than larger. I just sold a giant propel in L that was always a tad too big for me. Tragic, because that bike was amazing. Had i bought a M/L i probably would not have upgraded.
If you ride on the flat a lot and are comfortable in aero positions, probably best to take a 0 offset post, will get you more vertical on the BB, a la TT bike.
Thanks. Unfortunately it's quite hard for me to assess since my other bikes are completely different ahah. Will try to get access to a canyon ultimate L size. Apparently they have very similar geometries.
I'm pretty comfy on the endurace for example L size, which is basically the same of all endurace. I know this one is more agressive, but just wonder really the difference on those 2 things. 110 stem and the seatpost setback. Bike size is definitely the 58.
I can imagine though thst with 0 setback I can still play with the seat sth like 15mm back. Will see but place the order in any case.
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Thanks. Unfortunately it's quite hard for me to assess since my other bikes are completely different ahah. Will try to get access to a canyon ultimate L size. Apparently they have very similar geometries.
I'm pretty comfy on the endurace for example L size, which is basically the same of all endurace. I know this one is more agressive, but just wonder really the difference on those 2 things. 110 stem and the seatpost setback. Bike size is definitely the 58.
I can imagine though thst with 0 setback I can still play with the seat sth like 15mm back. Will see but place the order in any case.
Why not buy both models (0 and 20). A seatpost costs around 50-60USD; On short saddles (approx. 245 cm), you have fewer adjustment possibilities compared to a 275 cm saddle
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Why not buy both models (0 and 20). A seatpost costs around 50-60USD; On short saddles (approx. 245 cm), you have fewer adjustment possibilities compared to a 275 cm saddle
Thanks! I've made some quick calculations on https://www.bikegeocalc.com and I'm going for 0 setback and 100mm stem. It'll still be more aggressive than the bikes I have but should be fine ahaha. Let's hope. Fingers crossed.
Let's see now how long it will take to deliver